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ATV · Post by **ATV** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:56 am

Redskins - 14
Eagles - 10
Refs - 7

Yet again the Redskins were hosed by the refs in front of a national audience. Remember the Dallas game (two blown TD calls)? The real Redskins' record? 6-7.

Seriously, I kid you not, the way I look at this: The Skin's won the game AND they get a better draft pick.

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:01 am

i love you. i'm so glad there are others that recognize REALITY compared the the FANTASY that exists in the heads of the refs! actually by my count though, the refs gave philly 7 on the BS PI call at the beginning (TO was clearly pushing SPRINGS in the face, and springs gets called!! that seems to happen to him a lot). then, the "INT" in the endzone was obviously not a "catch" (no posession until wayyyyy out of bounds). so i say that at least took away a FG, so i say

REDSKINS: 14
EAGLES: 10
REFS: 10-14

i also say we are 7-6, not 6-7. by my count, the cowboys and packers games were also stolen from us.

ATV · Post by **ATV** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:30 am

Holly ****, I forgot about the Packers game (I was too busy rejoicing that day that the Packers assuredly had ended our four years of misery)! Damn, I guess that would be 7-6 then! Ouch.

I have to disagree, though, about that late INT in the endzone...it was a good enough catch in my book.

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:33 am

yeah i was rejoicing about that too after the packers game... i guess we forgot that if it happens during the week of a full lunar eclipse it reverses it, or some crap.

as for the INT, don't get me wrong i definitely think he "caught" it, i just think that by the time he had control, he had already touched out of bounds.

i nearly had an aneurysm when ramsey threw that pass though. what could he possibly have been thinking???

ii7-V7 · Post by **ii7-V7** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:06 am

I'm sorry to both of you, but I watched every minute of that game. The Refs did not lose the game for us. The pass interference call was questionable, but Springs had his arm around TO's waist right in front of the Ref. So, what do you expect? The INT was indeed a catch. Sorry! It was! Not to mention a few non-calls that should have went to the eagles; Taylors late hit on TO and Harris Pass Interference. 90 out of 100 impartial people would agree with me. The other ten are Falcons and Packers fans who want to see Philly go down before the playoffs.

The Redskins lost because of nearly 150 yards of penalties, bad playcalling, and a few costly mistakes by our QB. Now you can gripe and complain and write letters to you congressman if you want, but it wont change the fact that the Redskins had every chance to win this game but couldn't execute.

Chad

NC43Hog · Post by **NC43Hog** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:10 am

chaddukes wrote:I'm sorry to both of you, but I watched every minute of that game. The Refs did not lose the game for us. The pass interference call was questionable, but Springs had his arm around TO's waist right in front of the Ref. So, what do you expect? The INT was indeed a catch. Sorry! It was! Not to mention a few non-calls that should have went to the eagles; Taylors late hit on TO and Harris Pass Interference. 90 out of 100 impartial people would agree with me. The other ten are Falcons and Packers fans who want to see Philly go down before the playoffs.

The Redskins lost because of nearly 150 yards of penalties, bad playcalling, and a few costly mistakes by our QB. Now you can gripe and complain and write letters to you congressman if you want, but it wont change the fact that the Redskins had every chance to win this game but couldn't execute.

Amen, stop looking for external reasons for our loss - we lost, end of story. Gibbs will work on the things he can control and we will be a better team next year for it.

ATV · Post by **ATV** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:00 pm

"The pass interference call was questionable, but Springs had his arm around TO's waist right in front of the Ref. So, what do you expect?"

That's not what I saw - or what every one of the broadcasters saw. I saw Owens with his hand on Spring's neck. So I would have expected either Offensive Pass Interference or no call.

This was an Eagle's third down play and essentially gave the Eagle's their first touchdown.

General Failure · Post by **General Failure** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:12 pm

You're agreeing with the announcers for Sunday Night Football. Shouldn't that tip you off right there that something's wrong?

ATV · Post by **ATV** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:56 pm

Not in this case.

ii7-V7 · Post by **ii7-V7** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:23 pm

ATV wrote:"The pass interference call was questionable, but Springs had his arm around TO's waist right in front of the Ref. So, what do you expect?"

That's not what I saw - or what every one of the broadcasters saw. I saw Owens with his hand on Spring's neck. So I would have expected either Offensive Pass Interference or no call.

This was an Eagle's third down play and essentially gave the Eagle's their first touchdown.

Yes, that play pretty much gave them a Touchdown....but it was clearly Pass Interference! It might have been both ways, but TO's body blocked the ref from seeing the hand under the chin. Springs arm draped around TO's waist was obvious to everyone! If you couldn't see that then your homer bias is obsurd. His hand was wrapped entirely around his waist! That is one of the number one things you learn as a cornerback. If you have your arm around the guy, even if it doesn't impede his route you are going to get called! Springs knows this and when he sees the film he will realize exactly why it was the only call that the ref could have made.

GF is right....that guy in the booth was clearly drunk!

Chad

ATV · Post by **ATV** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:28 pm

"GF is right....that guy in the booth was clearly drunk!"

It wasn't one guy, it was all three of them. They must all have been drunk then. Heck, I guess I must have been drunk too,...although it's funny - I don't remember drinking.

welch · Post by **welch** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:31 pm

I saw the same TV broadcast that everyone saw, and heard the same blather, and probably said this on the GameDay thread:

- Springs/Owens PI was a referee's mistake. Owens shoived Springs under the chin. Offensive pass interference

- Harris (??) clearly slipped his left arm around The Nervous One on a long pass in, I think, Q3. Not called. That evens out the mistake on Owens, although referee mistakes are bad,

- The interception was certainly an interception. The two Eagles caught the ball about 2/3 of the way toward the back of the endzone...not even close to the end-line. Bad throw, correct call.

- S Taylor clearly pushed Owens when Owens was already out of bounds...and not even marginally out. That's the play when Owens hit the Redskinnette. Not called...lucky for the Redskins.

- For the rest, the Skins committed the penalties, and it's too bad, but, as Gibbs has said, they will continue to work on it. Consider, for a pair of time-critical killers, the McCants "block" and the Sellars personal foul. Neither was even close to a legal play. Maybe Sellers was so full of adrenalin that he didn't hear the whistle, but the other 21 players on the field heard it. And the McCants play would have been legal only if he was playing defense and the Eagle had had the ball.

- In summary, NC43 is right.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:58 pm

welch wrote:- The interception was certainly an interception. The two Eagles caught the ball about 2/3 of the way toward the back of the endzone...not even close to the end-line. Bad throw, correct call.

I disagree.

The interception was a judgement call. If they had called it the other way, it wouldn't have been reverse on review. It's just one of those plays that is, believe it or not, decided on the field at the moment! It happens.

If you don't believe me, watch the tape again.

1) Two people can't have possesion at the same time
2) once the one Eagle player let go, the other one got his left foot inbounds, the ball started to move, then his knee went down
3) the ball continued to move to and through the landing.

Could've gone either way.

Judgement call.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:10 pm

cvillehog wrote:
welch wrote:- The interception was certainly an interception. The two Eagles caught the ball about 2/3 of the way toward the back of the endzone...not even close to the end-line. Bad throw, correct call.

I disagree.

The interception was a judgement call. If they had called it the other way, it wouldn't have been reverse on review. It's just one of those plays that is, believe it or not, decided on the field at the moment! It happens.

If you don't believe me, watch the tape again.

1) Two people can't have possesion at the same time
2) once the one Eagle player let go, the other one got his left foot inbounds, the ball started to move, then his knee went down
3) the ball continued to move to and through the landing.

Could've gone either way.

Judgement call.

I agreed with Welch on this one then I checked the last video here
http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9996
and would have to say it was a judgement call.. could've went either way My 2 cents