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the only people we can blame is ourselves
After watching the first 10 games there has been some bad calls but the redskins are just a very poorly coached team on the offensive end. I fault joe gibbs and his offensive staff completely for that. The offense is predictable and bland, and gibbs clearly has no confidence in Ramsey because you know he is pounding the style he wants him to play in his head, because it is not in his true nature to play like that. Id rather take some shots have some balls and if we lose we lose, but maybe it might give ourselves a better chance to win. Its not like were winning with the way were playing right now. JOe gibbs was known for his ability to adjust his gameplan at hafftime , well maybe its time to adjust his gameplan for the season because there has been no change and it isnt working.
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51 yards rushing ,,,,I don't get it
I agree with you on many of your points. This team is terrible. They do not resemble an NFL team but more like an amature team. The defense is still very impressive even after today.
The coaching staff can be blamed for bad playing calling. They pass when they should run and run when it should be pass. They dont throw beyond 10 yards even with Ramsey. The Skins have 7 losses and we obviously are NOT going anywhere or doing anything this year so why not strech the field and if we get blown out playing that way then let it be.
We can also blame the offensive line. This line is awful....thats it. Chris Samuels stinks really really bad and I am tired of people who defend him and praise him. Lets be honest here, its time to realize that he needs to go and he has been a disapointment. Then you have old timer Ray Brown who like Samuels seems to get untimely pentalties that kills drives.
Both receivers and backs drop balls. I have no idea how to fix it or what the problem is. But as a whole this offense is really really bad. The record does not matter to me but the fact that they look lost and confused gives me a very helpless feeling for the remainder of the season.
Once again we have been over joyful in the offseason and dissapointed in the regular season.
The coaching staff can be blamed for bad playing calling. They pass when they should run and run when it should be pass. They dont throw beyond 10 yards even with Ramsey. The Skins have 7 losses and we obviously are NOT going anywhere or doing anything this year so why not strech the field and if we get blown out playing that way then let it be.
We can also blame the offensive line. This line is awful....thats it. Chris Samuels stinks really really bad and I am tired of people who defend him and praise him. Lets be honest here, its time to realize that he needs to go and he has been a disapointment. Then you have old timer Ray Brown who like Samuels seems to get untimely pentalties that kills drives.
Both receivers and backs drop balls. I have no idea how to fix it or what the problem is. But as a whole this offense is really really bad. The record does not matter to me but the fact that they look lost and confused gives me a very helpless feeling for the remainder of the season.
Once again we have been over joyful in the offseason and dissapointed in the regular season.
Relax !
1) The Redskins were on the road.
2) The Redskins' Head Coach has spent the past eleven years away from the sidelines.
3) The Redskins QB had his first start of the year.
4) Half of the Redskins defense starters weren't playing.
5) The Redskin's best Offensive Lineman wasn't playing; Their best Guard was injured in the first half.
Even considering all these facts it was close game (before the Defense threw in the towel). If, in the first half, either of those two long bombs were thrown a little shorter it probably would have been a totally different ballgame. Also, the blown call for the Eagle's first down at the 50 didn't help.
So everyone just STFU and have some GD patience.
1) The Redskins were on the road.
2) The Redskins' Head Coach has spent the past eleven years away from the sidelines.
3) The Redskins QB had his first start of the year.
4) Half of the Redskins defense starters weren't playing.
5) The Redskin's best Offensive Lineman wasn't playing; Their best Guard was injured in the first half.
Even considering all these facts it was close game (before the Defense threw in the towel). If, in the first half, either of those two long bombs were thrown a little shorter it probably would have been a totally different ballgame. Also, the blown call for the Eagle's first down at the 50 didn't help.
So everyone just STFU and have some GD patience.
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ATV wrote:Relax !
1) The Redskins were on the road.
2) The Redskins' Head Coach has spent the past eleven years away from the sidelines.
3) The Redskins QB had his first start of the year.
4) Half of the Redskins defense starters weren't playing.
5) The Redskin's best Offensive Lineman wasn't playing; Their best Guard was injured in the first half.
Even considering all these facts it was close game (before the Defense threw in the towel). If, in the first half, either of those two long bombs were thrown a little shorter it probably would have been a totally different ballgame. Also, the blown call for the Eagle's first down at the 50 didn't help.
So everyone just STFU and have some GD patience.
Why is this n00b telling people to STFU!!??
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gibbs must be afraid of throwing interceptions...but that is ridiculous to me.
he should let ramsey loose for the passing game to spread the offense. Thats the only way Portis is gonna break out of the backfield. Gibbs is too conservative and predictable...i hope that changes.
im really disappointed in the playcalling today, and i feel bad for our hardworking defense.
anyways im new here...although ive been browsing around for a few weeks now.
he should let ramsey loose for the passing game to spread the offense. Thats the only way Portis is gonna break out of the backfield. Gibbs is too conservative and predictable...i hope that changes.
im really disappointed in the playcalling today, and i feel bad for our hardworking defense.
anyways im new here...although ive been browsing around for a few weeks now.
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There were two spots on the field that our receivers arent told to scheme and that is the outs passes.
We cant survive with the dink and dunk, teams use it but not all freakin game!!!
We cant survive with the dink and dunk, teams use it but not all freakin game!!!
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ATV wrote:Relax !
1) The Redskins were on the road.
2) The Redskins' Head Coach has spent the past eleven years away from the sidelines.
3) The Redskins QB had his first start of the year.
4) Half of the Redskins defense starters weren't playing.
5) The Redskin's best Offensive Lineman wasn't playing; Their best Guard was injured in the first half.
Even considering all these facts it was close game (before the Defense threw in the towel). If, in the first half, either of those two long bombs were thrown a little shorter it probably would have been a totally different ballgame. Also, the blown call for the Eagle's first down at the 50 didn't help.
So everyone just STFU and have some GD patience.
The main reason why we lost the game was because of our horrendous showing on first and goal when we were down by 8. The players are to blame but I think it falls mostly on coaching. Week after week the same thing happens on offense, we shoot ourselves in the foot. HOw could you blam e the D for this or any loss. Also my statement was based on the season as a s whole not just the philly game.
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Portis has carried the ball 17 times in each of the last 3 games. That is what is called a pattern or should I say a bad pattern because this makes no sense at all.
When will we score 20 points
this could be a plot for a game show.
Why was Ramsey put in the game if he's not going to take shots downfield.
When will Daniels and Griffin be back? I won't bring up Barrows and Lavar
Are there any Free agent place kickers out there? Anyone... no background check if you say you can kick we'll believe you.
Can someone tell Ray Brown what the snap is on
How do you get to the 10 yard line and lose 30 yards
This game left a lot of unanswered questions, whose got the answers....please forward them to Joe Gibbs and company
When will we score 20 points
this could be a plot for a game show.
Why was Ramsey put in the game if he's not going to take shots downfield.
When will Daniels and Griffin be back? I won't bring up Barrows and Lavar
Are there any Free agent place kickers out there? Anyone... no background check if you say you can kick we'll believe you.
Can someone tell Ray Brown what the snap is on
How do you get to the 10 yard line and lose 30 yards
This game left a lot of unanswered questions, whose got the answers....please forward them to Joe Gibbs and company
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well we were solidly in the game until that outrageous series with the 2 gigantic BS calls in a row, so the refs definitely had a hand in it. however, we should have been ahead by 2 TDs at that point anyway.
i really hate to say this because i grew up watching gibbs football and he has been a god to me- but he is making a lot of decisions that are not just "questionable", but just plain stupid.
*the most obvious is that everyone else on earth knew that brunell was washed up (see the recent article in washington post), but he waited this long to bench him. ramsey certainly wasn't a superstar out there today but safe to say he CLEARLY demonstrated that he should have been the starter a LONG time ago.
*the playcalling has been just plain terrible. we're talking marty schittenheimer bad. i thought it would have to be better than last week, but it was just as bad, if not worse. i totally agreed with the idea of letting ramsey get a rhythm for even the whole first half by throwing those short passes. but once the other team starts selling out to that play defensively, it's time to change it up! and when you get down by 2 TDs, it's time to start throwing downfield!
*trying that longish FG in the 2nd half made me question whether gibbs is going senile. FGs were ok in the 1st half, to get some points on the board and such. but we KNOW the swedish guy can't make the long ones, and we KNOW that a FG would have been worthless at that point anyway. the football gods were crying out for a fake kick! but gibbs ignored them.
everything about the way gibbs called this game sent the message to the players "i don't believe in you- i'm not going to let you try to take the risks we need to win, because i'm too nervous that you'll screw it up". this is a poisonous message, psychologically destructive to the team. there is no other way to interpret it when they other team is stacking the box to stop the run and your coach still won't let you throw farther than 2 yards to the sideline.
gibbs's system seems to be hopelessly outdated and overmatched. the only hope is for him to sit down and try to think about decades ago when he was an assistant coach under don coryell, and helped pioneer a whole new way of running an offense. he needs to ditch all the old stuff and start from scratch. it wasn't his plays per se that were what made him so great before, it was his ability to come UP with the best plays. if he doesn't start showing some signs of this realization and change by the end of the season, he either needs to go or hire an offensive coordinator (one who actually designs the offense), or pack it up. of course, my loyalty and faith in him says "maybe he'll spend the offseason coming up with a new system..."
oh yeah, and our OL sucks. i hope we cut them all, and then sue them for being so sucky. chris samuels is indeed terrible, how much impact have all his false start penalties had on us over the years? no WAY is he worth a big contract. DITCH HIM.
i really hate to say this because i grew up watching gibbs football and he has been a god to me- but he is making a lot of decisions that are not just "questionable", but just plain stupid.
*the most obvious is that everyone else on earth knew that brunell was washed up (see the recent article in washington post), but he waited this long to bench him. ramsey certainly wasn't a superstar out there today but safe to say he CLEARLY demonstrated that he should have been the starter a LONG time ago.
*the playcalling has been just plain terrible. we're talking marty schittenheimer bad. i thought it would have to be better than last week, but it was just as bad, if not worse. i totally agreed with the idea of letting ramsey get a rhythm for even the whole first half by throwing those short passes. but once the other team starts selling out to that play defensively, it's time to change it up! and when you get down by 2 TDs, it's time to start throwing downfield!
*trying that longish FG in the 2nd half made me question whether gibbs is going senile. FGs were ok in the 1st half, to get some points on the board and such. but we KNOW the swedish guy can't make the long ones, and we KNOW that a FG would have been worthless at that point anyway. the football gods were crying out for a fake kick! but gibbs ignored them.
everything about the way gibbs called this game sent the message to the players "i don't believe in you- i'm not going to let you try to take the risks we need to win, because i'm too nervous that you'll screw it up". this is a poisonous message, psychologically destructive to the team. there is no other way to interpret it when they other team is stacking the box to stop the run and your coach still won't let you throw farther than 2 yards to the sideline.
gibbs's system seems to be hopelessly outdated and overmatched. the only hope is for him to sit down and try to think about decades ago when he was an assistant coach under don coryell, and helped pioneer a whole new way of running an offense. he needs to ditch all the old stuff and start from scratch. it wasn't his plays per se that were what made him so great before, it was his ability to come UP with the best plays. if he doesn't start showing some signs of this realization and change by the end of the season, he either needs to go or hire an offensive coordinator (one who actually designs the offense), or pack it up. of course, my loyalty and faith in him says "maybe he'll spend the offseason coming up with a new system..."
oh yeah, and our OL sucks. i hope we cut them all, and then sue them for being so sucky. chris samuels is indeed terrible, how much impact have all his false start penalties had on us over the years? no WAY is he worth a big contract. DITCH HIM.
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I totally agree die cowboys die 
, yesterdays biggest problem (among the many) was the play calling. 3 yard passes over and over and over aren't gonna cut it. We don't need 50-60 yard passes but at least passes in the 10-20 yard range, Ramsey is more than capable and so are our receivers. I can't understand Gibbs' play calling, you aren't going to open the running game if there is no passing threat or vice versa.
There is no excuse for our performance i.e. new coach, new QB, refs, injuries etc. There are many other teams in the same situation and they are winning. These guys get paid millions of dollars to win (coaches and players).... and there is no excuse. It's about adapting and overcoming and winning... no matter what the circumstances.
It's not like we are playing good football and just being out played.... we SUCK (our offense that is) plain and simple.
Every year it's the same story no matter what players we get or coaches or anything else, I don't understand why we can't build a solid offense and I'm not talking about a superstar offense, but an offense that can put some points on the board - touchdowns that is.
, yesterdays biggest problem (among the many) was the play calling. 3 yard passes over and over and over aren't gonna cut it. We don't need 50-60 yard passes but at least passes in the 10-20 yard range, Ramsey is more than capable and so are our receivers. I can't understand Gibbs' play calling, you aren't going to open the running game if there is no passing threat or vice versa.
There is no excuse for our performance i.e. new coach, new QB, refs, injuries etc. There are many other teams in the same situation and they are winning. These guys get paid millions of dollars to win (coaches and players).... and there is no excuse. It's about adapting and overcoming and winning... no matter what the circumstances.
It's not like we are playing good football and just being out played.... we SUCK (our offense that is) plain and simple.
Every year it's the same story no matter what players we get or coaches or anything else, I don't understand why we can't build a solid offense and I'm not talking about a superstar offense, but an offense that can put some points on the board - touchdowns that is.
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AMEN to that !!!!redskins-28 wrote:I totally agree die cowboys die
There is no excuse for our performance i.e. new coach, new QB, refs, injuries etc. There are many other teams in the same situation and they are winning. These guys get paid millions of dollars to win (coaches and players).... and there is no excuse. It's about adapting and overcoming and winning... no matter what the circumstances.
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Please read this letter to the editor that a friend of mine wrote. I am withholding his name at his request, but you should all read this before determining what is outdated.....
by the way I editted a bit to keep this person's identity a secret.
by the way I editted a bit to keep this person's identity a secret.
The one thing that has NOT contributed to the Redskins OFFENSIVE woes is the fact that Joe Gibbs has been away from football for 12 years. The Redskins staff knows what the latest trends in the game are ("pressure defenses", etc.) Consider the following facts.
1. QB Coach - Jack Burns - was Offensive Coordinator with the Falcons last season.
2. Joe Bugel is only 2 years removed as line coach of the Chargers, & only a few more years removed as Head Coach of the Raiders.
3. Don Breaux (Gibbs' current "OC") was running the offense for George Siefert (& the Carolina Panthers) only 3 years ago.
4. Ernie Zampese (Gibbs' current Offensive Consultant) masterminded the Dalllas Super Bowl offenses in the mid 1990's, & ran the Patriots offense in the late 90's.
5. Rennie Simmons (TE Coach) was on the Falcons' offensive staff last year.
The point I'm making (above) is that these men are CURRENT in their offensive thinking - they are not "rusty". Gibbs leans on these men - so it is not the length of his absence from football that is causing the offensive woes.
[edit by JansenFan - removed some personal information, reworded sentence a bit]
The 2000 Rams playbook is IDENTICAL to Gibbs' 1992 Redskins playbook The RAms of the last few years have been called "The Greatest Show On Turf". The X's & O's are NOT the problem.
Also consider that the Steelers put in the Gibbs offense when they hired Russ Grimm as O-Line coach 3 years ago. Dan Henning (current "OC" with the Panthers) used the Gibbs offense last year to take the Panthers to the Super Bowl (see article by John Markon in the Sunday, Feb. 1, 2004 Times Dispatch - "SKINS OFFENSE CARRIES HOPES OF CAROLINA).
I hope I have made the point that the LEAST of their problems is a "rusty" coach & an antiquated offense. What I see as the problem is PERSONNEL. As Don Shula once said - the team with the best players USUALLY wins (AMEN). Take a look at Tampa Bay - only two years ago they won the Super Bowl (& Gruden was hailed as a GENIUS). Today, his record is as bad as Washington's, & Gibbs even beat him head up in the opener. Gruden has not been away from the game 12 years, NOR are his X's & O's antiqutated. The PERSONNEL has turned over enough in the two years since they won the Super Bowl to make the difference. The real personnel (or lack of it) problem is at QB. They will need to make some key personnel moves in the off season at QB, depth in the O-Line, & perhaps another quality WR.
Keep up the good work. Hope my opinions are of interest;
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"Nah, I trust the laws of nature to stay constant. I don't pray that the sun will rise tomorrow, and I don't need to pray that someone will beat the Cowboys in the playoffs." - Irn-Bru
JansenFan wrote, among many other important things,
A slight addition. Dan Henning co-invented the Gibbs offense. He is the 'H' for which the "H-back" was named. Henning was the Redskins assistant head coach offense during SB 17 and SB 22.
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To remind everyone of the question: just where is the Gibbs offense rusty or out of tiuch with the modern NFL?
Dan Henning (current "OC" with the Panthers) used the Gibbs offense last year to take the Panthers to the Super Bowl
A slight addition. Dan Henning co-invented the Gibbs offense. He is the 'H' for which the "H-back" was named. Henning was the Redskins assistant head coach offense during SB 17 and SB 22.
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To remind everyone of the question: just where is the Gibbs offense rusty or out of tiuch with the modern NFL?
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1niksder, before I answer your questions I must 1st make my point.
It seems to be that the coaching is not indetifying weaknesses and strengths of the players in due time.
This goes back to my point. We don't know why Brunell was taken out. We don't really know if Gibbs pulled him for the reasons we've been listing for the past 5 weeks. If we assume that he was pulled because of his arm then that raises a question. Why is Gibbs limiting Patrick to Brunells lower standard? One could argue that Patrick isn't familiar with the offense. That could be true but why does it matter at this point in the season? The worst we can do is lose the game, we might as well give ourselves the best chance we have to win and obviously yesterdays show wasn't it.
I've been wondering about the conditioning of the players from the start. It seemed to be the same players repeatedly getting injured. Barrow should have never been signed just because he's 1000 years old.
There's no point. We did this same dance with Spurrier we just need to keep the guy we have and hope he works through it. If you're not signed by a team by now, its for good reason.
The poor man is old enough to be my father and my dad can't sprint 5 yds without being winded. We're in desperate need for help with our injuries, we could have worse.
It seems to be that the coaching is not indetifying weaknesses and strengths of the players in due time.
Why was Ramsey put in the game if he's not going to take shots downfield.
This goes back to my point. We don't know why Brunell was taken out. We don't really know if Gibbs pulled him for the reasons we've been listing for the past 5 weeks. If we assume that he was pulled because of his arm then that raises a question. Why is Gibbs limiting Patrick to Brunells lower standard? One could argue that Patrick isn't familiar with the offense. That could be true but why does it matter at this point in the season? The worst we can do is lose the game, we might as well give ourselves the best chance we have to win and obviously yesterdays show wasn't it.
When will Daniels and Griffin be back? I won't bring up Barrows and Lavar
I've been wondering about the conditioning of the players from the start. It seemed to be the same players repeatedly getting injured. Barrow should have never been signed just because he's 1000 years old.
Are there any Free agent place kickers out there? Anyone... no background check if you say you can kick we'll believe you.
There's no point. We did this same dance with Spurrier we just need to keep the guy we have and hope he works through it. If you're not signed by a team by now, its for good reason.
Can someone tell Ray Brown what the snap is on
The poor man is old enough to be my father and my dad can't sprint 5 yds without being winded. We're in desperate need for help with our injuries, we could have worse.
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great letter to the editor!
I agree and believe we need playmaker on offense. Having two would be great, but one would suffice. Someone that can step up and put up big numbers and score points week in and week out. That one playmaker would make everyone else on the offense better.
IMO the QB situation is far from resolved.
I agree and believe we need playmaker on offense. Having two would be great, but one would suffice. Someone that can step up and put up big numbers and score points week in and week out. That one playmaker would make everyone else on the offense better.
IMO the QB situation is far from resolved.
God bless our troops and Joe Gibbs.
We'll miss you, Joe.
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We'll miss you, Joe.
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I agree Texas Hog, (by the way- great avatar!) but I think this whole thing is still a work in progress. I also think that the D has beem a huge surprise but the injuries have taken a big toll!
I also think the QB situation has a lot of questions but we also have 5 more games to see how serious this is on the "list"!
I think Joe & co will have a hard look at what is needed this off-season and I have faith that they will address it as well as they can. This includes the make up of the front office, the coaches and the players.
I am convinced Joe wants it badly and he will make the adjustments.
This is part of what I'm looking ahead to. I also really want to beat the pukes and the giants because those were 2 games we should have won AND we were clearly the better team on the field.
I also think the QB situation has a lot of questions but we also have 5 more games to see how serious this is on the "list"!
I think Joe & co will have a hard look at what is needed this off-season and I have faith that they will address it as well as they can. This includes the make up of the front office, the coaches and the players.
I am convinced Joe wants it badly and he will make the adjustments.
This is part of what I'm looking ahead to. I also really want to beat the pukes and the giants because those were 2 games we should have won AND we were clearly the better team on the field.
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
