I have been thinking about the Brunell issue for a while. Of course I have read the trillion posts about our QB situation. A part of me leans both ways...I trust Gibbs, but also when is enough enough?
Which brings me to my question and thoughts from you all.
I know Coach Gibbs knows his stuff, but do you think that the pressure of taking Brunell out is what is keeping him in? When I say pressure I mean this.....
We gave up a draft pick for him, and not to mention put or money situation in a bind at some point to get him. If Gibbs sits him, then the fans and Danny want to know why we spent all that money and went through all the stress of trying to get him.
What I am saying is do you think that Gibbs will stick with him just because (to get his money's worth essentially) or that he really has "potential" and he is what the offense needs right now?
AH, I think Joe is trying to win some football games and trying to put a team together that will be a very good team (with "core" players) for a long time.
I do not think this coach is affected by what any player makes or his reputation. I have never thought that he was going to let anyone play for him because of what anybody else thought. This includes the owner.
I think he gave everyone a chance to show him what he had and put the best team on the field that he could.
Make no mistake - this is Joe Gibbs team and IMO we are a better team with this coach.
I know that the record sucks but we were 5-11 and we were lucky. So far we are 2-5 but we are a better team than the record indicates and this guy will drag our team to the top.
I understand some of our fans getting upset and I am too, but I will stand by this guy and his work ethic.
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
I have been thinking about the Brunell issue for a while. Of course I have read the trillion posts about our QB situation. A part of me leans both ways...I trust Gibbs, but also when is enough enough?
Which brings me to my question and thoughts from you all.
I know Coach Gibbs knows his stuff, but do you think that the pressure of taking Brunell out is what is keeping him in? When I say pressure I mean this.....
We gave up a draft pick for him, and not to mention put or money situation in a bind at some point to get him. If Gibbs sits him, then the fans and Danny want to know why we spent all that money and went through all the stress of trying to get him.
What I am saying is do you think that Gibbs will stick with him just because (to get his money's worth essentially) or that he really has "potential" and he is what the offense needs right now?
ArmyHog wrote:I have been thinking about the Brunell issue for a while. Of course I have read the trillion posts about our QB situation. A part of me leans both ways...I trust Gibbs, but also when is enough enough?
Which brings me to my question and thoughts from you all.
I know Coach Gibbs knows his stuff, but do you think that the pressure of taking Brunell out is what is keeping him in? When I say pressure I mean this.....
We gave up a draft pick for him, and not to mention put or money situation in a bind at some point to get him. If Gibbs sits him, then the fans and Danny want to know why we spent all that money and went through all the stress of trying to get him.
What I am saying is do you think that Gibbs will stick with him just because (to get his money's worth essentially) or that he really has "potential" and he is what the offense needs right now?
Maybe. Its disturbing to know that other teams think little of Brunell and he cant prove them wrong.
Last year when Ramsey wasnt sacked, we were atleast in field goal range.
Did anyone catch his radio show last night on sports talk 980? It was amazing, Gibbs actually said something along the lines of,
"I hand picked this quarterback and it would be wrong if I didn't stick with him, I have an allegiance to brunell."
Thats not word for word but along those lines. I was shocked, it basically sounded like, no matter what happens on the field, he's staying with him because he was the one that gave him the job, so he can't take it away from him.
Like I've been saying, and as the original poster in this thread said..
He spent a boatload of money and a draft pick on this guy. I think if he just got him for a 2 yr, 7 mil or less deal, he'd sit the guy in a heartbeat, but I think he's more than a little weary because it might harm his rep...I don't know. Please don't bomb me on this, just an outsider's opinion
"He's a playmaker, that's his label. They used to have strong safeties, but now they got another position: They're called playmakers." -Terence Newman on Roy Williams
Primetime42 wrote:Like I've been saying, and as the original poster in this thread said..
He spent a boatload of money and a draft pick on this guy. I think if he just got him for a 2 yr, 7 mil or less deal, he'd sit the guy in a heartbeat, but I think he's more than a little weary because it might harm his rep...I don't know. Please don't bomb me on this, just an outsider's opinion
It would be wrong of me to say I didnt agree with you, when I do.
His contract was a definite big mistake. How about signing him to a long term deal without a huge signing bonus? That signing bonus is automatic money he gets from us. I just don't understand how Snyder pays so much for these players. He's got some heart, no doubt about that.
The Brunell project should be over. Sure Gibbs loves Veteran QB's who don't make mistakes, however with the playoffs hopes all but gone, we must look to the future. We know what we have in Brunell, not much. We must look to the future with Ramsey. Let the man plasy and learn and next year will be be better for everyone.
Brunell will be here only 2 years. After that the rest of his bonus money will hit the cap as dead money. The sign from god came to Gibbs when he forgot his medicine, that was a sign not to sign him.
AnnMarie wrote:Brunell will be here only 2 years. After that the rest of his bonus money will hit the cap as dead money. The sign from god came to Gibbs when he forgot his medicine, that was a sign not to sign him.
No. Gibbs does nothing for appearances. His methods today are exactly consistent with his methods twelve and twenty years ago.
- He cares about winning.
- He backs his players. If you expect to learn his thinking or his planning from an interview, change your expectations. Gibbs never reveals anything except on the field.
If Gibbs chooses to start Brunnell rather than ramsey, it means that he thinks Brunnell is better than Ramsey. If he starts Tim H., it will be because he thinks Tim is better. We'll know when we see it.
Anyone who thinks you're a better coach than Joe Gibbs, please raise your hand.
The difference between Gibbs and most other coaches, is that he cares about consistent winning. Season to season. If Joe wasn't worried about next season, he would never have sat Sean Taylor. We were already thin at DB when he did that. If nothing else, he woulda had Sean there in street clothes in case something happened, which it did...
He was teaching the players discipline. Something nobody but Ray Brown has ever had on this team. He was creating that feeling, that desire, that drive to go the extra mile for the coach and the other players, that core redskin.
Gibbs doesn't feel obligated to start Brunell because they paid him a little bit of money. If he did, he would never have won a Superbowl. Many of us remember how important it was for him not to disappoint Mr Cooke. He stressed about it. You think it's any different now with Snyder? He knows exactly what kind of money Snyder pays out to make this team a winner. He knows exactly how much Snyder loves this football team. He himself LOVES this football team.
Joe has a plan. It has nothing to do with trying to get 5 more wins this season. It has to do with building this team into a contender. Just because you and I don't see where the plan is going, don't take that as there is no plan, OR that Joe doesn't want to look bad by benching Brunell.
Gibbs knows how to win. I promise you he is still tweaking his coaching to fit into the NFL of 2004 as well. This time next season we will all be talking about what a genius Gibbs is, as will the majority of the media...
There is no disputting Gibbs is a great coach but he has to see Brunell is not better than Ramsey. He might not want to put Ramsey in because hes afraid he'll fail because of the shoddy line work. But even if P-Ram isnt as accurate as Brunell, which I BELIEVE HES BETTER. You cant deny Brunell has yet to show any deep threat!!!
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.....Yes Brunell sucks and got lucky with the deal and yes Gibbs would keep him in the game for those reasons. Look at Rypan, schrader and I'm not sure about Heath or if he was Norvs.
do you think that Gibbs will stick with him just because (to get his money's worth essentially)
No, I don't think it's just because of $$$.
Look at Darnerien McCants. He signed a
three-year, $4.5 million deal, which included
a $2 million bonus. Yet he has been inactive
in all but one game. Gibbs is definitely not
getting his money worth with McCants.
You bring up a good point about McCants, but the Brunell issue is more than that.
Brunell got like a $7 million dollar bonus, $43 million, and a 6 or 7 year deal. Not to mention the 3rd round pick given up.
That is a way different than the amount McCants got.
Gibbs wasn't hot on McCants' trail to get him before other teams like he did Brunell.
Gibbs SAW something in Brunell thats why he gave him the deal he got and the Jags got the Draft pick so no other team could drive up the price.... Based on "The Danny's" track record the pick save us some money
D-Mac is inactive and not unemployed/on another team because Joe SEES something in him. I think D-Mac is caught in a numbers game that will work itself out in the offseason
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I think the question was about the $$$ affecting Joe's decision making and future plans.
Please read Scottskins post - I totally agree!
This coach does not make decisions based on salary or on what anyone outside of his staff thinks is right or wrong. I think he is still on a bit of a learning/re-adjustment curve and we should give him whatever time he needs.
Enjoy the ride - this coach will get there and we will be a better team for a long time not just the present.
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
ArmyHog wrote:I have been thinking about the Brunell issue for a while. Of course I have read the trillion posts about our QB situation. A part of me leans both ways...I trust Gibbs, but also when is enough enough?
Which brings me to my question and thoughts from you all.
I know Coach Gibbs knows his stuff, but do you think that the pressure of taking Brunell out is what is keeping him in? When I say pressure I mean this.....
We gave up a draft pick for him, and not to mention put or money situation in a bind at some point to get him. If Gibbs sits him, then the fans and Danny want to know why we spent all that money and went through all the stress of trying to get him.
What I am saying is do you think that Gibbs will stick with him just because (to get his money's worth essentially) or that he really has "potential" and he is what the offense needs right now?
Coach Joe Gibbs, who has been loyal to his starting quarterbacks throughout his Hall of Fame career, has continued to assert that Brunell's experience, leadership and ability give the Redskins the best chance to win each Sunday -- "He's got guts galore," Gibbs said -- and Washington's 2-5 record and the struggles of Brunell, 34, have not quenched that belief. Gibbs said yesterday that he will continue to base his quarterback decision on that criteria even if the Redskins reach a situation where their record negated any realistic playoff chances, rather than shift to Ramsey in such a scenario given his age, 25, and potential. ........ Brunell takes virtually all of the snaps in practices and is the focal point of game plans each week, while Ramsey is largely a spectator trying to learn through observation and in meetings; there are no plans to allot more snaps to the backup. Ramsey has impressed the coaches by increasing his knowledge of the system despite his limited role, Gibbs said, and he has looked good running the opposition's plays with the scout team.
"Is it ideal for him? No," Gibbs said of Ramsey. "Would you like to get him some reps in practice, yeah. But if you do that, I've found, you're taking a 10 percent thing and trying to project and you're going to take away [snaps] in practice every week, and you really can't do that to the starter. He's been great as far as attitude and everything, he's been terrific, and those guys are always one play away. It's a tough thing to go through, but that's part of the quarterback position."
Seemingly, Brunell has done just enough to keep his job each week. The Redskins pulled out a win in Chicago to stop a four-game losing streak late last month, and Gibbs believes that the offense made strides in the second half of Sunday's game against Green Bay, rallying for two late-scoring drives (one was negated because of an illegal motion penalty). "To me I looked at that as a great comeback," Gibbs said. The frequent chants for Brunell to be benched did not sway Gibbs's thought process on the quarterback position, he said, and he expects the coach and the quarterback to absorb a brunt of the criticism when an offense struggles
It seems that Gibbs has a plan for Ramsey, but Patrick just isn't ready yet.
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THat's tough to swallow, he said even if they're out of the playoff hunt he's not going to put Ramsey in. So basically, when Rams gets in there in 2 years, after Brunell leaves, he'll be a "rookie" as far as playing time and experience goes.
Ramsey will be in his fourth year next year, he has played in 25 games and started 16 so the speed of the game won't effect him like it would a rookie. Ramsey's problem seems to be he is still unlearning the "fun and gun".."chuck and duck"... "Pitch and catch" what ever it was that SOS ran the last few years. He needs to learn Gibbs Offense to avoid the mistakes that he's made in the pass. Being on the sidelines with Gibbs and watching Brunell is the place to learn these things. He's also learning what not to do. Mark WON"T go into next season as the starter, Gibbs will open it up again and say may the best man win.
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