How could he?

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:22 am

I do not watch alot of baseball. Only from time to time. And this series has been so good even I had to watch. Jackson has always liked Rodriguez, because of all the press he gets I'm sure. But I was disappointed to see him do something so intentional like that. He could have ran into his glove with his shoulder or at least smacked it in stride. I'm glad they called him out.

Sorry TC, Ant, and any other Yankees fan but that move was bad.

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:54 am

arod is also known for extending his arm up into the second baseman/shortstop while sliding into second in an effort to break up the double play, which, to me, is rather dirty.

ANT7088 · Post by **ANT7088** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:14 am

But when the guy rounding 3rd plows into the catcher it's OK???? It's part of the game, he just made it toooooo obvious. Was it OK that 2 guys were totally blocking 1st base???? What he sould've done was slide!

That's why it's called "breaking up the double play!"

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:30 am

First of all you need to rewatch that Ant. He had plenty of room to touch the base. The totally outragous thing is even though he NEVER touched the base he was called safe. How exactly does that go with the rules of baseball?? Even the announcers who were objective agreed that he screwed it up. Not the Red Sox. Heck I admit when we mess up as a football team, you should be big enough to admit without excuse that that was a dirty move.

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:42 am

there's a large difference between trying to break up a double play, and making that extra effort to hurt a player. in my opinion, by reaching up to try and grab a leg or foot, arod crosses the line between competitiv and dirty.

ANT7088 · Post by **ANT7088** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:16 pm

joebagadonuts wrote:there's a large difference between trying to break up a double play, and making that extra effort to hurt a player. in my opinion, by reaching up to try and grab a leg or foot, arod crosses the line between competitiv and dirty.

Extending your arms isn't trying to hurt someone! It happens everyday!

ANT7088 · Post by **ANT7088** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:24 pm

NikiH wrote:First of all you need to rewatch that Ant. He had plenty of room to touch the base. The totally outragous thing is even though he NEVER touched the base he was called safe. How exactly does that go with the rules of baseball?? Even the announcers who were objective agreed that he screwed it up. Not the Red Sox. Heck I admit when we mess up as a football team, you should be big enough to admit without excuse that that was a dirty move.

I'm not saying he was "right" for doing it, but if he ran his shoulder into him it would be OK. He didn't step on the base because the 1st baseman was in his path (and obviously trying to avoid the tag). I agree with the you with the Umps, he had to come back to step on the base. Either way the call was right in the end.

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:18 am

ANT7088 wrote:
joebagadonuts wrote:there's a large difference between trying to break up a double play, and making that extra effort to hurt a player. in my opinion, by reaching up to try and grab a leg or foot, arod crosses the line between competitiv and dirty.

Extending your arms isn't trying to hurt someone! It happens everyday!

not that i've seen or experienced.

DeathByLinebacker#56 · Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:34 am

I'm glad he never became a Red Sox player. :twisted:

ANT7088 · Post by **ANT7088** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:55 am

DeathByLinebacker#56 wrote:I'm glad he never became a Red Sox player.

Let me guess, now he sucks, right????

Joe, when guys run to 2nd they throw up their arms, they slide in to the guy, they do what they can to stay out of a double play. If you never seen that, you must not watch Baseball to much. Again, he was wrong for what he did the other night, but they made the correct call. How can you call A-Rod a dirty player?????? That's bull!

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:15 am

No it's not. Breaking up the double play is completely different then breaking up any play. And fine he made a mistake. When the umps call it, you don't argue that you didn't do anything, when you very obviously did. That said more about his character to me then his actual actions.

ANT7088 · Post by **ANT7088** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:35 pm

NikiH wrote:No it's not. Breaking up the double play is completely different then breaking up any play. And fine he made a mistake. When the umps call it, you don't argue that you didn't do anything, when you very obviously did. That said more about his character to me then his actual actions.

The Red Sox have the dirtiest player (Pedro) in baseball, A-Rod is not dirty. Besides this series name 3 dirty plays that A-Rod has made in his career?????? Padro is great & so is A-Rod, you do what you have to do to win, sometimes you make stupid mistakes, ANYONE would've tryed to knock the ball out, like I said if he ran a shoulder or a forearm and knocked the ball out, it would've been totally legal, he got called cause he did it with his hand. It's part of baseball. Nobody's perfect, but when it comes to baseball A-Rod is as close as it gets, that's a fact!

Scooter · Post by **Scooter** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:40 pm

I think it was a heat-of-the-moment thing with ARod. I also think that the first base umpires' view was obstructed and he made the best call he could make on what he could see. The Blues got it right. For that matter, I think they got every call right... can we hire them in the NFL? :0)

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:34 pm

ANT7088 wrote:
DeathByLinebacker#56 wrote:I'm glad he never became a Red Sox player.

Let me guess, now he sucks, right????

Joe, when guys run to 2nd they throw up their arms, they slide in to the guy, they do what they can to stay out of a double play. If you never seen that, you must not watch Baseball to much. Again, he was wrong for what he did the other night, but they made the correct call. How can you call A-Rod a dirty player?????? That's bull!

i've watched a ton of baseball. i've played baseball at the collegiate level. as a shortstop, i've had guys come in with cleats high. i've even had one guy try to jump over me. arod is the only player i've seen who will fully extend his arm up to catch the leg or foot of the fielder, and on more than one occasion. if he did it to protect himself from a cleat or knee to the head, fine. if he slides way off the bag, as many players do, to break up the play, i can accept it. but the game is played with a certain amount of respect for the opposition, and i don't see in arod.

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:04 pm

NikiH,

About Rodriguez. I feel bad for defending him, being that I'm living in Boston. But, I think that what he did was more out of human instinct than any wilfull intention to violate the rules of baseball. I think in the situation that he was in, and with the base path crowded he instinctively swatted his hand. That's not to say the wrong call was made, cuz I think the umpires did an excellent job. I think he just did it out of human nature. But, I could be wrong.

ANT7088 · Post by **ANT7088** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:19 pm

joebagadonuts wrote:
ANT7088 wrote:
DeathByLinebacker#56 wrote:I'm glad he never became a Red Sox player.

Let me guess, now he sucks, right????

Joe, when guys run to 2nd they throw up their arms, they slide in to the guy, they do what they can to stay out of a double play. If you never seen that, you must not watch Baseball to much. Again, he was wrong for what he did the other night, but they made the correct call. How can you call A-Rod a dirty player?????? That's bull!

i've watched a ton of baseball. i've played baseball at the collegiate level. as a shortstop, i've had guys come in with cleats high. i've even had one guy try to jump over me. arod is the only player i've seen who will fully extend his arm up to catch the leg or foot of the fielder, and on more than one occasion. if he did it to protect himself from a cleat or knee to the head, fine. if he slides way off the bag, as many players do, to break up the play, i can accept it. but the game is played with a certain amount of respect for the opposition, and i don't see in arod.

Whatever, you have No CLUE what you're talking about, how can you know so much about A-Rod, did you watch that many Yankee games this year???? or was it with Texas or Seattle when he did all that????? I watched A-Rod play in 155 games this year (not incuding the playoffs or all the games I've seen him in against the Yanks) and never seen any of that crap you're talking about and OBVIOUSLY the Umpires didn't see it either. If a guy sliding in to 2nd does something dirty the Umps call them out, if they wave their arms and hit the ball, they get called out! Name 1 time that has happened to A-Rod, just 1?!?!

ANT7088 · Post by **ANT7088** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:30 pm

JPFair wrote:NikiH,

About Rodriguez. I feel bad for defending him, being that I'm living in Boston. But, I think that what he did was more out of human instinct than any wilfull intention to violate the rules of baseball. I think in the situation that he was in, and with the base path crowded he instinctively swatted his hand. That's not to say the wrong call was made, cuz I think the umpires did an excellent job. I think he just did it out of human nature. But, I could be wrong.

I agree 100%, at 1st i was mad, then I seen the replay and seen his hand and said he was wrong, but to now say (not you) he's a dirty player is BS. It's not like he planned that on his 3-4 second run to the base. It was instinct 100%! You obviously know the game & know what you're talking about. Like I've said, Pedro has done alot of "dirty" things, but I would never call him a "dirty" player. I wouldn't want to sound like an idiot! Especially that he may be a Yankee next year, LOL.

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:59 pm

Anyone that says A-Rod is a "dirty" player is talking only out of their dislike for the Yankees as opposed to being a fan of the game. Not only is A-Rod not a "dirty" player, but he is a classy player. He plays the game the way it should be played. Although, I disagree with the way him and Varitek got into a brawl, but that's baseball!! A-Rod is a great player, end of story!

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:58 pm

I will not defend what I saw from "A-Rod" during that game. It was clear to me what'd happened, and I agreed with the call.
I also agree on the "homerun" that wasn't.
My problem with the whole thing was, it should not have come down to that. There were, throughout the series, an incredible number of stranded runners.
The opportunities that were missed, and not having Flaherty on the roster to give Jorge a break behind the plate, in addition to the sad state of our starting rotation and our overacheiving and overworked bullpen stand out in my mind as the reason the Red Sox will represent the AL in the World Series.
That, and that damned Caveman awakening from his six game slumber.
I congratulate Boston. The better team won this series, I'm sorry to say. Happily, we still have Steinbrenner to light the fire. I think you're going to see a major upgrade in pitching. Perhaps, an unprecedented one.
I hope they don't punish Donnie Baseball for the quieted bats. Schilling is hard to hit, any day.

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:11 am

ANT7088 wrote:
joebagadonuts wrote:
ANT7088 wrote:
DeathByLinebacker#56 wrote:I'm glad he never became a Red Sox player.

Let me guess, now he sucks, right????

Joe, when guys run to 2nd they throw up their arms, they slide in to the guy, they do what they can to stay out of a double play. If you never seen that, you must not watch Baseball to much. Again, he was wrong for what he did the other night, but they made the correct call. How can you call A-Rod a dirty player?????? That's bull!

i've watched a ton of baseball. i've played baseball at the collegiate level. as a shortstop, i've had guys come in with cleats high. i've even had one guy try to jump over me. arod is the only player i've seen who will fully extend his arm up to catch the leg or foot of the fielder, and on more than one occasion. if he did it to protect himself from a cleat or knee to the head, fine. if he slides way off the bag, as many players do, to break up the play, i can accept it. but the game is played with a certain amount of respect for the opposition, and i don't see in arod.

Whatever, you have No CLUE what you're talking about, how can you know so much about A-Rod, did you watch that many Yankee games this year???? or was it with Texas or Seattle when he did all that????? I watched A-Rod play in 155 games this year (not incuding the playoffs or all the games I've seen him in against the Yanks) and never seen any of that crap you're talking about and OBVIOUSLY the Umpires didn't see it either. If a guy sliding in to 2nd does something dirty the Umps call them out, if they wave their arms and hit the ball, they get called out! Name 1 time that has happened to A-Rod, just 1?!?!

you're so right, umps catch everything :roll:

. i saw arod do this twice; once in this series, and once in an earlier series during the regular season. i can't name a date and time, because i wasn't taking notes at the time. sorry.

and you're right, i haven't watched as many yankees games as you have, so maybe i missed the part where arod donated his kidneys to opposing players. all i saw was his plays at second, and him shouting the f-bomb in varitek's face on national tv (granted, varitek benefitted from a mask obscuring his lips as he no doubt uttered his own obscenities).

you're also right about my not having a clue. after playing organized ball for so many years, how could i possibly know anything about the unspoken ethics of baseball? how silly of me. my deepest apologies. please, go on being right about everything, don't let me get in the way.

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:28 am

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/r ... alcs?pg=10

plain as day. thanks to the boston globe for this one.

ANT7088 · Post by **ANT7088** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:52 pm

joebagadonuts wrote:http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/gallery/101804_alcs?pg=10

plain as day. thanks to the boston globe for this one.

Listen, let's end this! I'm not doubt your knowledge of the game, all I'm saying is no one can say A-Rod is a "dirty" player. If he did do it, he's not the only player that has. When you're in the heat of the moment, things happen. Their's alot more "dirty" stuff going on in MLB than this. You don't plan things on a 3 second run to 1st (or 2nd) base. I would put hitting a batter with a pitch or sticking needles in your butt (steroids) "dirty" things, that's really it.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:51 am

...and by the way, by leaving the mask down, Varitek did himself an even bigger favor than obscuring some obscenity, in my opinion.
My thinking is, he didn't want to get punched in the mouth while he was grinding his catchers mitt into A-Rod's face.
Real sporting of him.

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:36 am

OK Tc what play are you talking about? Not the one I was referencing in my orignal post. I for one think A-Rod is a dirty player. I'm entitled to my opinion. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the Red Sox, as I am not a Red Sox fan. I just have never seen players go to those lengths to save an out. You cannot tell me he didn't choose to do that. He has been doing this long enough to do it correctly or make the conscience effort to do it illegally.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:57 am

joebagadonuts wrote: all i saw was his plays at second, and him shouting the f-bomb in varitek's face on national tv (granted, varitek benefitted from a mask obscuring his lips as he no doubt uttered his own obscenities).

I was responding to this snippet, NikiH.