Gibbs is as freakin' Ramsey hater-yes or no?

Bacon · Post by **Bacon** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:18 am

I'm not happy with Gibbs right now. And it's not the losses either,it's his unwillingness for change. For goodness sakes he said Ramsey won't play because he doesn't *8**in like him?
WTH?

What do you think?

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:24 am

Not everyone besides Gibbs thinks that putting in Ramsey right now would be the best thing for the team. Ramsey supporters have been louder on thehogs.net, and the media is always looking for a nice contraversy or change. But that doesn't mean it's the best thing to do. Even though during the summer/preseason I was hoping that Ramsey would win the job, Brunell did earn it.

Ramsey still has to get comfortable in the system--in a strange way it was good that he got in the Giants game because he showed that he makes mistakes too. Otherwise people would be calling for Gibbs' head right now over the issue.

Gibbs knows what he's doing, we're fans. Criticize if you must, but know that he just might have a better perspective than you right now.

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:27 am

Unwillingness for change? That's absolutely ridiculous!! Change is what's put the Redskins in the situation that they've been in ever since Joe Gibbs left. Quit wishing Ramsey in there, and just be glad that Joe Gibbs is coaching the team. When he wants Ramsey in there, he'll put him in there. He'll put him in there because HE thinks he'll give us the best shot at winning, not because YOU or any other person wants him in there. Unwillingness for change? COME ON!!! And one other thing, when did Gibbs say he doesn't like Ramsey?

Bacon · Post by **Bacon** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:29 am

He made it sound like he doesn't like him PERSONALLY.
That's not a good thing. When you're 1-4 with the biggest loser ever at quarterback,change is good.
I'm not mad at Gibbs at all for the losses,but just not liking someone's attitude being a reason to help the team,is not good.

Brunell use to be awesome,but it just ain't happening. I've lost all faith in his abilities (which wasn't much to begin with).Ramsey sucked in 1 game. Brunell sucked in 4. You do the math.

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:31 am

He made it sound like he doesn't like him PERSONALLY.

I challenge you to show me the quote where Joe Gibbs said that. And don't post anything that starts with "A league source". Give me the quote!!!!!!

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:37 am

Bacon wrote:He made it sound like he doesn't like him PERSONALLY.

I give you the same challenge as JP. Since when did Gibbs say publicly that he doesn't like Ramsey?

When you're 1-4 with the biggest loser ever at quarterback,change is good.

I'm glad we're in agreement. Brunell is one of the biggest winners at quarterback this league has ever seen--so obviously this isn't a reason for change right now, even if we're 1-4.

Bacon · Post by **Bacon** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:42 am

I couldn't find a public quote. Check mate. Still,I can't back Brunell in good conscience,I just can't. He's a good,Christian man,and use to be awesome. Actually,I don't care for Ramsey much either (Bruell seems much more likable) but that doesn't mean Brunell should stay in. I predict,if we lose the game on Sunday,Brunell will have to beg to stay in.

I really am not liking are options here.

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:46 am

Discussion closed.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:01 pm

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8755

Bacon, dude, this "discussion" stems from profootballtalk.com, the WORST football site EVER! Why are you believing anything that's being written on there?

Gibbs likes Ramsey. Like JP said, discussion closed.

4bz · Post by **4bz** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:17 pm

Ramsey's still on the team aint he? If Gibbs didnt like em, he would be gone by now. Wow, this is offically the 12348934348398 post about brunnell/ramsey debate. :roll:

Bacon · Post by **Bacon** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:43 pm

Actually Jake,I never saw that link.

patjam77 · Post by **patjam77** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:08 pm

don't worry bacon... you can't say anything remotely negative because it will be taken as if you are condemning this team to hell... alot of these guys want peaches and cream all the time.

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:36 pm

enough about brunell it's time for the PLAYERS on this team to make some (+) plays !!! stop dropping balls stop fumbling the ball away and the o-line needs to block better for PORTIS !!!! :idea:

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:31 pm

patjam77 wrote:don't worry bacon... you can't say anything remotely negative because it will be taken as if you are condemning this team to hell... alot of these guys want peaches and cream all the time.

I don' tthink anyone took what Bacon posted as negative, some of us do like to know the source of what is posted (that's why you'll see "Link?" as a complete posteven if the article as the site it came from in it)
on that note where's your source for the peaches and cream comment, because I can't think of anyone here who hasn't had something negative to say about OUR team.

patjam77 · Post by **patjam77** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:52 pm

well 1Nik... i got blasted by TCwest cause after the ravens game (and rightfully so) i got down on the future of the team... and what i did say was "alot of these guys" when making the peaches and cream comment...

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:11 pm

patjam77 wrote:well 1Nik... i got blasted by TCwest cause after the ravens game (and rightfully so) i got down on the future of the team... and what i did say was "alot of these guys" when making the peaches and cream comment...

I remember that night (no matter how hard I try to forgat

) The only thing negative you said was "this is frigging pathetic" and that was your opinion at that time.
That happens alot during a game when your team isn't playing at the level you feel they should. I think you posting.. "I truly hope all you "blind loyalists" wake up and realize that this team is bad and it's not going to get any better this year." is what prompted the response that got from TC. Talking about the team and the way they are playing is one thing but calling those who have a opinion than yours names is jusy wrong

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:15 pm

Back to the subject of this thread... I don't think Gibbs hate Ramsey. I don't think he feels Ramsey is ready to take over this team. I still say Ramsey will be the man after the bye week regardless of the outcome of the Bears game, I said this last Sunday and have heard nothing that has changed my mind.

Bacon · Post by **Bacon** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:39 pm

I was being negative,yes. :oops:

I was mad. Still,I don't really blame Gibbs for our losses. Turnovers have been a very big deal so far. 7 in one game? WTH?

I blame turnovers,the o-line,and Brunell to be the source of all our problems,but really,it's just simple judgement. It doesn't mean it's true.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:49 pm

Bacon wrote:I blame turnovers,the o-line,and Brunell to be the source of all our problems,but really,it's just simple judgement. It doesn't mean it's true.

Actually I think it is true.. you can't get the ground game going without a O-line and they would be a plus for Brunell if he's ever to hit a streaking WR down the side line (If he doesn't overthrow them or hit one in the ankle)
It's more fustration then negativity or madness and we all have it

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:37 pm

At this time, the staff does not believe that Patrick Ramsey's arm strength is sufficient weaponry to overcome his ineptitude in the new system.
Brunell has taken well to the system and the calls, but lacks the overall strength to make the long ball work (or so they say).
Which is the lesser of the two evils ? The guy that can throw the long ball with accuracy when there is no receiver in sight because that isn't the play he called, or the guy that can't make the big play because he can't get the ball down there ?
Take your pick, baby. Gibbs has.

jDub · Post by **jDub** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:24 pm

sorry TC. i'll take ramsey in a heart beat. this is perhaps THE worst quarterback play that i've seen in the last ten years of redskin football. brunell looks uncomfortable in the pocket. his body language is atrocious (from my humble perspective). he looks like he has no confidence. and rightfully so, he has not produced. he had that one series against the 'boys that impressed me. other than that...i'm sorry man, brunell is simply not cutting it for me.

Montana Redskin · Post by **Montana Redskin** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:00 pm

ditto on jdub, but the sad part is I don't know who I'd want behind the snap right now....Ramsey ain't cutting it. He reminds me of Rypien in his younger days, granted Rypien got better for what,,2 seasons then tanked in '92? Throw that Hasselback dude in there. I like Ramsey's cannon, but that's all he's got?! Threads needles now and then, but too many picks..way too many and above all, has a HORRIBLE completion % throughout his career.

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:54 pm

I'd say he has a pretty good completion %

when you played in a system that regularly called for the long ball, open or not, and had the kinda pressure on you all the time that he did, and still completed 52% of your passes, that's pretty good IMO.

Not to mention, dumpoffs weren't a part of the spurrier system.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:03 pm

No, Gibbs is not a Ramsey hater.

wollmanng · Post by **wollmanng** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 2:43 pm

To all of you people out their before the Bears game that said the reason Brunell wasn't doing that well was because Portis wasn't able to run the ball therefore not opening up the passing game, well you were all wrong. Portis ran crazy aganist the Bears and Brunell still wasn't able to hit anyone. 8-22 for only 95 yds, I mean come on. Ramsey may still not have the best understanding of Gibbs offense yet but he has to be able to do better than that and if Gibbs lets him take the majority of the snaps for the next two weeks Ramsey would be able to put up some numbers aganist the less than average Packers secondary.

I really think the main reason why Brunell is struggling so bad right now is because it looks like he walks into the huddle already knowing who he is going to throw the ball to. If you watch Brunell drop back in the pocket his head never moves. He just stares at one reciver, or hopefully to his credit at least one side of the field, which is still terrible. The only time I saw Brunell look off of his first reciever and go to his second option was when he hooked up with Gardner in the corner of the endzone. It looked like it was a play designed to go to Coles on the right side of the field but he was double covered so Brunell actually looked left and through a beautiful pass to Gardner.

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Gibbs is as freakin' Ramsey hater-yes or no?

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