Portis

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:05 pm

I should have known he was going to do horrible. Nothing named Clinton has ever done anything good in Washington. That name is a curse.

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:13 pm

Brunell is why Portis isn't getting the job done. NOBODY respects our pass downfield, because it's not there. We need to put Ramsey in there. Brunell is not getting it done and we might as well give Ramsey the experience he needs. I'd rather be losing with him than Brunell...at least we know he is our future, not our past.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:16 pm

We should put Ramsey in there. I think that he just needs to devolop a lot of his problems can be corrected buy coaching. Tulane was never a big time team, than he had num nuts, he has never been coached well at all. Of course he's going to struggle. He needs time and he won't learn sitting on the bench.

ATV · Post by **ATV** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:37 pm

Clinton did nothing good in D.C.? Prosperity got you down? I guess you think the last four years have been just peachy.

I have faith Gibbs will figure out how to best use Clinton (Portis).

Walton 40 · Post by **Walton 40** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:47 pm

I agree with putting Ramsey in at QB.
We have to get some down field passing.
That would open up the running game.

The Skins are 1-3 and could easily be 4-0.
Have to put some points on the board.
Just not getting it done with Brunell.

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Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:10 pm

What has Brunell done to deserve this treatment? (And don't quote that one sentence and answer: It isn't what he's done, it's what he doesn't do.) People who slam him now were against him before he ever put on a Redskins helmet. He has never had a fair shot with the fans. He was never welcome by a lot of Redskin fans and that is sad. You can't put all the blame on Brunell. You can't put MOST of the blame on him either. I actually think he's been improving. Everyone on the team can take blame, the coaches, Portis, Coles, Brunell, O-line, our defense not causing turnovers and getting interceptions, SPECIAL TEAMS (not talking about Hall or Tupa) ect.... The list goes on and on. Has it occured to anybody that the reason we don't see Brunell throw many long passes is because our WRs aren't getting any seperation from the CBs.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:24 pm

Brandon777 wrote:What has Brunell done to deserve this treatment? (And don't quote that one sentence and answer: It isn't what he's done, it's what he doesn't do.) People who slam him now were against him before he ever put on a Redskins helmet. He has never had a fair shot with the fans. He was never welcome by a lot of Redskin fans and that is sad. You can't put all the blame on Brunell. You can't put MOST of the blame on him either. I actually think he's been improving. Everyone on the team can take blame, the coaches, Portis, Coles, Brunell, O-line, our defense not causing turnovers and getting interceptions, SPECIAL TEAMS (not talking about Hall or Tupa) ect.... The list goes on and on. Has it occured to anybody that the reason we don't see Brunell throw many long passes is because our WRs aren't getting any seperation from the CBs.

I agree B777 You can't blame Brunell for the state of this team but he is the QB and the leader and it comes with the job. Mark has been improving each week however we are not winning and people will aways be ready to point fingers. Brunell doesn't scare anyone and thats the problem. Teams need to fear being caugth off guard when they stack 8 in the box. I thought Brunell was shafted here in J-ville and was extremely happy when we traded for him. He still gives us our best chance to win right now but we need to do something to shake this Offense up

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:29 pm

Brunell wasn't that bad, its just that its a rebuilding year. Who do you rebuild with a 25 year old qb or a 34 year old qb. I would think the 25 year old. But that might just be me. Maybe you should throw away the young talent and use veterans when rebuilding. Maybe that's the formula, not building with young talent.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:35 pm

John Manfreda wrote: Who do you rebuild with a 25 year old qb or a 34 year old rb.

Who's the 34 year old RB :?:

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:39 pm

I might agree with you guys if we had a young QB on the bench like Phillip Rivers or Eli Manning. Too bad we don't. If you put Ramsey in there the only numbers that will go up on our offense is sacks and interceptions.

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:43 pm

To all of you who say we should put Ramsey in there, FORGET ABOUT IT!!!! IT"S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!! Suck it up and realize that it's not going to happen!!!!

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:48 pm

1niksder wrote:
John Manfreda wrote: Who do you rebuild with a 25 year old qb or a 34 year old rb.

Who's the 34 year old RB

I meant Qb.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:49 pm

We should trade Portis in the offseason and trade for Cederic Benson. Not Portis for Benson straight up, but like package Coles and Portis. No one is dum enough to do Portis for Benson straight up.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:51 pm

John Manfreda wrote:
1niksder wrote:
John Manfreda wrote: Who do you rebuild with a 25 year old qb or a 34 year old rb.

Who's the 34 year old RB

I meant Qb.

I'd go with the 25 year old any day but if he could learn from a 34 yr old who's producing that would be even better

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:51 pm

JPFair wrote:To all of you who say we should put Ramsey in there, FORGET ABOUT IT!!!! IT"S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!! Suck it up and realize that it's not going to happen!!!!

If Brunell gets hurt it could or when we are knocked out of the playoffs and rebuilding. When it comes to benching your right. If he does it will be for next year. But this is about Portis not Brunell. Unless everyone wants it to be.

ii7-V7 · Post by **ii7-V7** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:09 am

The idea that its somehow Brunell's fault that Portis is putting up mediocre numbers if ridiculous. The only part of the running game that Brunell is responsible for is handing off the ball. I hear your concept that people don't respect the deep ball so they stack the box. Its hogwash.

If you want to lay blame, then put it where it belongs. The O-line is not creating holes. Portis is the product of a zone blocking scheme and has to learn to be patient with Gibb's slower developing blocks. He's at least getting better. He only ran into the back of the guard once yesterday. All of our runs are telegraphed; not only when we are going to run, but where. If you want to know where the play is going just watch the H-back. Now, if our O-line was playing like the hogs of old, then it wouldn't matter because the other team couldn't stop our runs even if they did know where the play was going. But these are the dirtbags. In the last three games we have abandoned the run in the second half. The third quarter yesterday was especially disappointing. When we were leading the game Gibb's called passes on first down. The Brown's secondary is very talented...banged up but talented. Our receivers were rarely open. So thats why the deep ball isn't being respected. The runs aren't working because of our O-lines not blocking well, and the fact that everyone know when and where we are going to run.

We lose as a team; from Coach to ball boy, Stars to second stringers. Its not Brunnells fault that the running game isn't living up to your expectation.

Chad

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:13 am

John Manfreda wrote:We should trade Portis in the offseason and trade for Cederic Benson. Not Portis for Benson straight up, but like package Coles and Portis. No one is dum enough to do Portis for Benson straight up.

This is non-sense.

FatPat · Post by **FatPat** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:31 am

I dont know how many of you have seen the Portis Q&A after the game w/ Redskins.com but something he said really stood out to me.

"It seemed like the Browns knew every play we were doing. At one point, the defensive guys were calling out our plays and they were hitting the gaps before and after us. It was like running into a brick wall..."

Is something like that on the coaching staff being too predictable or did the browns just prepare as if it was the Super Bowl...here is the link to the interview

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=3768

FatPat · Post by **FatPat** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:37 am

Never mind this is already been discussed...sorry about that

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8535&sid=2

doroshjt · Post by **doroshjt** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:02 am

I think portis is fine, except for the fumbles, our O line is banged up and weak. He never gets all the runs he needs cause we revert to the pass and go three and out.

DallasCowboysFan · Post by **DallasCowboysFan** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:03 am

Don't know about the defense, but here everyone was talking about Babe Laufenberg calling out a play. Seems they had the field really mic'ed up last week and Brunell yelled out an audible and Babe said it's gonna be this play. When they ran the play, everyone said "How did you know that?" and he said it was the same play from I played them. Babe was a QB for dallas in 89 and 90.

DieselFan · Post by **DieselFan** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:07 am

[quote="Champsturf"]Brunell is why Portis isn't getting the job done.[quote]

Oh....Brunell must be the one greasing up the football everytime Portis touches it. Portis has got the yards when he touches it...he just has coughed it up at some very, very bad times.

gregory smith · Post by **gregory smith** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:21 am

The thought of trading Portis is stupid. Stupid. First of all most teams would't be able to trade for a contract of that magnitude and secondly he is great. The Running game is struggling in part because of poor OL play, but primarily because of the inability to stretch the field and get 8 & 9 guys out of the box and yes that IS because of Brunell's inability to throw deep and/or the coaches lack of confidence in his ability to throw deep. If Brunell can throw deep, let him, if he can't give Patrick a shot.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:25 am

First of all it can't be becuase we can't stretch the field. Look at San Diago, Lt still piles up yds. Balt. Jamal Lewis. Those teams couldn't stretch the field worth crap. Portis is just a scatback not a runningback. Other teams would have no siging bonus to contempt with, so they would be happy to take him. Anyone does well with Denver.

gregory smith · Post by **gregory smith** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:11 am

For Gibb's running game to function we simply have to have a vertical threat. All we hear is how Gibb's loves to grind it out, sure he does, especially in the fourth quarter with a lead, but he has always, always, had an effective passing game. See topic West Coast Redskins.