Coles had several dropped passes, but that problem may have been the result of a dislocated finger suffered in the first quarter, Gibbs said.
"I saw it, one of our coaches saw it, and that's it," Gibbs said. "[Laveranues] put his finger back into place, puts the glove back on and never said a word to the trainers. Those are the kind of things that are good to say because it's behind the scenes."
Yeah, I saw video of him fixing it on SportsNite last night. He just pulls off the glove, sets the finger and puts the glove back on.
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Not to be a jackass, but if he really couldn't catch because he had dislocated his finger, then he should have gotten off the field. He dropped some big balls, and we have some quality recievers behind him...
Steve Spurrier III wrote:Not to be a jackass, but if he really couldn't catch because he had dislocated his finger, then he should have gotten off the field. He dropped some big balls, and we have some quality recievers behind him...
Agreed. I love it when players play with injuries and still give it everything they have but there comes a point where they (and the coaches) need to realize that that player simply isn't helping. A receiver with an injured hand simply doesn't need to be on the field imo. His hands are his most important asset and if he can't use them properly, he's worthless regardless of his size or speed.
After a dropped ball or 2 he should have been taken out of the game.
Steve Spurrier III wrote:Not to be a jackass, but if he really couldn't catch because he had dislocated his finger, then he should have gotten off the field. He dropped some big balls, and we have some quality recievers behind him...
We try to avoid those self-deprecating adjectives in this PG forum, even if it is a fair or unfair characterisation of the facts.
I do not know if you have been involved in a contact sport when an injury occurs to you. I know I played through dislocations and even fractures. In the heat of battle, adrenaline dictates to go back and fight. You simply ignore pain.
In fact, I feel that it is rather silly to ask a boxer whether he can go on or not after a count of eight. Everybody in that situation will say, Yes! Let me get back to that guy acrooss to get even!
I feel that a rotation of receivers may be useful at times but I admire Coles courage to play through pain. He is a true professional.
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I thought I saw LC injure his finger and he bent over after the play (near the sideline) and seemed to be holding his hand. I think enough of LC that if he felt he was not going to be able to catch he would get off the field. He did not drop any passes that were "catchable", in my opinion, and I agree with you in that athletes at this level play with pain and also know when to stay on the field and when to get off. Our 2 top receivers are starting to gel well and now the QB's need to get them the ball.
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Not to knock Coles, I like him, but I've dislocated fingers and still managed to hold onto a ball.
"He's a playmaker, that's his label. They used to have strong safeties, but now they got another position: They're called playmakers." -Terence Newman on Roy Williams
I dislocated my middle finger Monday Night too. I was punching the TV screen, while carefully crafting some words for Mr. Coles. Hey, I love this guy - but he sucked so bad I wouldn't let him play this week. Finger or no finger - Coles stunk up the field. Brett Conway tried to fight through the injuries too - and stunk up the field. Matt Turk injured himself playing basketball and couldn't hold for a game-winning FG... part of being a teammate is knowing when to step aside for the good of the team. "I thought I could do it" - is a pathetically selfish answer when the job doesn't get done.
Yeah, after that series, he was held out for the next series and didn't drop anything after that. He was held out for dropping the balls as Coach Gibbs stated that he was unaware of the injury at the time. He took it like a man, didn't complain and came back and fought through it. I agree that those drops may have made the difference between a loss and a win, but I can't fault the guy for sucking it up and trying to play through it. Coles will play unless you make him stop, just like Ramsey did last year.
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Redskin in Canada wrote:We try to avoid those self-deprecating adjectives in this PG forum, even if it is a fair or unfair characterisation of the facts.
I do not know if you have been involved in a contact sport when an injury occurs to you. I know I played through dislocations and even fractures. In the heat of battle, adrenaline dictates to go back and fight. You simply ignore pain.
In fact, I feel that it is rather silly to ask a boxer whether he can go on or not after a count of eight. Everybody in that situation will say, Yes! Let me get back to that guy acrooss to get even!
I feel that a rotation of receivers may be useful at times but I admire Coles courage to play through pain. He is a true professional.
Believe it or not, I've actually been around long enough to know what "we" try to avoid.
And I have played contact sports, and I know about playing through pain. But it is one thing to man up because your team needs you, and another to continue playing even though it hurts your team.
Now I don't know if he hurt his finger before or after he caught those balls, I'm just saying if the reason he dropped the passes is because of his finger, he shouldn't have been on the field in the first place...
Believe it or not, I've actually been around long enough to know what "we" try to avoid.
I could not resist the temptation.
Now I don't know if he hurt his finger before or after he caught those balls, I'm just saying if the reason he dropped the passes is because of his finger, he shouldn't have been on the field in the first place...
Well that is the point. We will never be sure whether the injury really caused the drop or it was another factor.A dislocation of a finger is painful but really it is not that big a deal.
My point is that he is our BEST receiver. He caught several balls -after- the injury. We may agree to disagree whether it was best for the team if he stayed or not.
Coles will do good against the Browns.
Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
Guys letS not beat up lavernous over him deciding to play injured...thats not the issue here...the issue is he DROPPED BALLS AT KEY MOMENTS.....period.....lets get into this hindsight crap "oh now we know he dropped the balls so he should have never been out there"....and if he catches those balls we praise him on how much we love his grit and instensity to play injured..Its hindsight stupidity...THE MATTER AT HAND is he dropped the balls and hes ONE OF THE TOP PAID recievers in the NFL......With the money he gets i want him out there and if hes out there lining up thens hes expected to play at a high level.....PERIOD!.....HE DIDNT AND HE HASNT ALL YEAR.....that needs to stop...i love LC...I know by the time this years is over hell make some game changing plays for us....so im not going to crush him just yet......But guys PLEASE STOP THE IF HES INJURED HE SHOULD GET OFF THE FIELD CRAP........RU KIDDING????,,,HE GETS WHAT 7 MILL A YEAR.....HES SUPPOSED TO PLAY HURT...Ive had a dislocated finger playing baseball never left the field and played the whole game.....and i was 17!!!!...ITS NOT A BIG DEAL ....Gibbs is just protecting Coles by what he said
I do not know if you have been involved in a contact sport when an injury occurs to you. I know I played through dislocations and even fractures. In the heat of battle, adrenaline dictates to go back and fight. You simply ignore pain.
That adrenaline will get you through a few injuries. Walking back to the huddle can be a painful but once the ball is hiked it dissapears for those few seconds. I've played through injuries that once the game was done I could hardly walk.
You really have to love the game to play through a lot of pain. You can easily tell who doesn't.
Im proud of Coles, but on the other hand maybe he should have been sidelined. Thats Gibbs call, not Coles. Anyone here who has played sports knows that you NEVER want to bet taken out of the game.
Im proud of Coles, but on the other hand maybe he should have been sidelined. Thats Gibbs call, not Coles. Anyone here who has played sports knows that you NEVER want to bet taken out of the game.
I agree to agree this time.
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tcwest10 wrote:Say whatever you want, but Ronnie Lott would've been sharpening his butcher's knife on the sidelines. Dislocated finger ? Bah ! Off with it !
but wasn't Lott's finger smashed and turning purple?
"He's a playmaker, that's his label. They used to have strong safeties, but now they got another position: They're called playmakers." -Terence Newman on Roy Williams
Steve Spurrier III wrote:Not to be a jackass, but if he really couldn't catch because he had dislocated his finger, then he should have gotten off the field. He dropped some big balls, and we have some quality recievers behind him...
I totally agree
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tcwest10 wrote:Say whatever you want, but Ronnie Lott would've been sharpening his butcher's knife on the sidelines. Dislocated finger ? Bah ! Off with it !
but wasn't Lott's finger smashed and turning purple?
Yeah, I think the deal was get surgery and mis a game or chop it off. Out came the meat cleaver and the rest is history
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"Nah, I trust the laws of nature to stay constant. I don't pray that the sun will rise tomorrow, and I don't need to pray that someone will beat the Cowboys in the playoffs." - Irn-Bru
I told that story to a friend on the night of the game... he didn't believe me. Our Lott has been playing well. Not to Ronnie's level, but I think he's going to get better and better.
I know this a late post on this thread but I have to say it. Get off this whole absurd idea of benching Coles because he had one bad game. Even he was hurt to the point where he couldn’t catch a ball but Dallas didn’t know it he still needed to be on the field. Because almost every play the Pokes were double teaming LC, no other Skins receiver scares a defense. Why do you think Garner was single covered so many times. If LC had been on the bench the Boys would have just doubled Rod and took him out of the game. LC has 4 drops this year (the same number as Garner) but LC was thrown to 4 more times. (stats via STATS.com). The number of drops does not even count the long pass in the Giants game were Garner showed no side line presence and struck a foot out of bounds when we could have used a big gain. But it does include the drop that Garner had in the Giants game at the goal line two plays before Ramsey threw an INT. If Garner catches that pass we win the game.
I like both receivers, but our WR corps would take a SERIOUS hit without LC.
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Sorry, I love Coles - no bs - but there are two other guys raring to play. McCants hasn't been allowed on the field and Jacobs is coming on strong. With Trash getting more PT and Gardner coming on strong... Coles would not start the game. The drops weren't the extent of his poor game - he missed a key block and was ineffective on two more downfield blocks.
Look, Joe Gibbs didn't call me last night... and probably won't. If he does, I'm telling him to give the other fellas a shot as Coles steadies his mind. Now, if Coles goes out and busts 3 TD's - I'll gladly look like a total dufas. I wrote an article a year ago on Coles - I truly think he's a great guy and a solid player. I simply would sit him down for a game, or until the player replacing him failed to perform. Game time situations are the only way to give players an opportunity to play. McCants hasn't been given an opportunity and here we have a guy drop four balls and miss at least two blocks... and he's injured. Sorry, I respect you opinion - but I'm on the 'bench Coles' wagon and will remain there until he performs as he's capable. I'm not angry with the guy, just dissappointed.
Gotta love the tough guys! Bob Lilly once pulled a tooth with the trainers pliers to not miss practice from going to the dentist! Then again at TCU he used to take VW Bugs that were parked, lift the front end on the sidewalk then the back end on the sidewalk so that he could park there!
Philly Lost!
Couldn't have happened to a nicer team or a nicer set of fans!
Even he was hurt to the point where he couldn’t catch a ball but Dallas didn’t know it he still needed to be on the field. Because almost every play the Pokes were double teaming LC, no other Skins receiver scares a defense. Why do you think Garner was single covered so many times. If LC had been on the bench the Boys would have just doubled Rod and took him out of the game. LC has 4 drops this year (the same number as Garner) but LC was thrown to 4 more times. (stats via STATS.com). The number of drops does not even count the long pass in the Giants game were Garner showed no side line presence and struck a foot out of bounds when we could have used a big gain. But it does include the drop that Garner had in the Giants game at the goal line two plays before Ramsey threw an INT. If Garner catches that pass we win the game.
