Champ

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:00 pm

Something that really got under my skin is something Champ said recently (according to what my mom said she saw on TV). He said that Laveranues deserves a pay raise. I am ver aggrivated by this and here are a few reasons why:

1. It's just a cheap bargaining ploy with management so that they remember that he has a contract to get finished.

2. Coles has only played three games for us.

3. Coles already has a HUGE contract! He gets 13 million just for signing his name on a piece of paper! And he gets five million year and I also would logically guess that he has incentive clauses presented in the contract.

4. By starting this dialogue, he might get some front office members involved in this "battle of the wits" if the media presses the right buttons. (Which won't happen)

5. Champ hasn't proven that he deserves a large contract. He has gotten beat on too many occassions for a "Number 1 Cornerback" and he needs to learn how to TURN AROUND WHEN HE'S GETTING BEAT, like when he gave up the TD to Toomer, as I've been yelling at him all year! My mom is getting sick of hearing me yell that to him whenever he gets beat. :lol:

Not that I'm mad or anything. :lol:

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:05 pm

i'm tierd of the pay me attitude too. i want to resign champ, but it has to be within reason too. champ gaulked at the contract he was offered and didn't even offer a counter. guess we're not good enuff for him anymore :evil:

doeslammer · Post by **doeslammer** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:18 pm

Champ is a very good cb,a very good cb, not a great one yet, how many interceptions do we have this year, I can remember one, maybe because I drink to much during the game, but I don't think the guys name begun with Champ, Ify is the winner of that award, somebody we were thinking of getting rid of for Lawyer Malloy. I am sure Ifantye isn't b*tching about his contract (YET). Maybe some of these guys should start worrying about playing the game instead of talking about how good they could play, then go and get burnt, I am still not sold on Smoot just yet, reminds me to much of Neon Deion, except one thing, Deion put the money where his mouth is (as hard as it is for me to say) Smoot needs to stop getting burnt as much as he does, he does make a lot of good plays, but should be doing more than he is, I know this is only his third game this season, and respect him for playing with a concussion, but lets stand up to the mic when it's your turn and do something, besides telling us how good you are, Arrington proves his worth, and don't forget about the vetern Smith, worth every penny we spent. LUV THAT GUY !!!!!!

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 9:04 pm

Two - one by Bowen, one by Iffy.

I can think of two or three that shoulda coulda woulda been ints, but, as with the passes in the first half, they were dropped.

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:26 pm

I keep on hearing the announcers say that the Skins have one of the best tandem of corners in the league. I, for one, am not yet convinced.

I am certainly not on the Smoot bandwagon. Frankly, he looks terrible at times.

I like Champ very much but, to be candid, lately he looks like he's worried more about his contract that on covering the opponent's #1 guy.

I hope Champ starts focusing again....and soon.

tx_skins_fan · Post by **tx_skins_fan** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:49 pm

I used to be high on the veteran Smith also, but he is jumping offsides way too much lately. It seems that he's had a lot of 'almost' plays this year and last year also. He's so worried about his sack record that he keeps leaving early. If he can't get it under control, maybe he needs to get his record somewhere else.

woohit56 · Post by **woohit56** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:51 am

As long as we can find a way to get W's Champ can get beat 1/2 the year for all I care. I've heard quite enough 'baby cry about the money' from him. I love him as a player but as I said before he couldn't lead our D to 7-11 for slurpees if he wanted to. Not a leading type guy.

Either way I hope he comes around and it works out.....however I bet this is gonna get worse.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:23 am

... he looked pretty ordinary getting beat on Sunday, but he also had a couple of great covers.

Still not the mark of a guy that wants to get paid 8-10 million bucks a year.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 5:46 am

Why not trade him for a couple of great players and a really good and SOLID corner?

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:40 am

Why not trade him for a couple of great players and a really good and SOLID corner?

he only has this season left on his contract, so basically there is no trade value. personally see champ wearing the franchise tag in the offseason. 2 first rounders in return, or maybe a draft pick, and another player. i don't know. the contract would likely have to be more lucrative once FA approaches, but i don't know if any team in the league would be willing to part with 2 1st rounders and still pay that kind of money.....

skinsfanno9 · Post by **skinsfanno9** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 10:28 am

Just a thought, if you regularly give the QB 5 seconds to throw the ball, any cornerback tandum will look ordinary. The problem ain't with our corners, its with our line. I think we need to see some adjustments there. Its time to play - maybe bring in Ladarious Jackson, maybe change the folks inside. Right now we are getting NO pressure without blitzing.

Texas Hog · Post by **Texas Hog** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 10:42 am

I think Skinsfanno9 is dead on hear. No corner can cover all day without any sort of pass rush.

Moose said it a number of times the other day...the Skins can't generate any pass rush with their front four and only when they blitz is there some resemblence of a pass rush.

Champ does however need to back off of his $$$ demands and play ball. I saw where someone said that his performance last week helped the club bargaining position...I couldn't agree more.

skinsfanno9 · Post by **skinsfanno9** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 10:49 am

I think we have to come to grips with the possibility that Champ might not be here next year. OK, maybe thats better in some sense. Smoot may not be the best man up corner there is, but I bet he gets lots of interceptions in a 2 deep zone. Maybe this is what we move towards if Champ leaves. You can cover having only OK corners by going to Zone - its really hard to cover having lousy line play or lousy LBs. If I'm taking a choice, I'd rather be good from the front back, not the other way around, which is what we have now.

In any event, I want to see Champ have the most monster year of his career this year. In a perfect world, nobody gets another pass on this guy - lets make a run of it!

Texas Hog · Post by **Texas Hog** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 10:51 am

I like the Franchise tag idea.

...and agree....I'd rather be good from the front to back as well...rather than the way we have it now.

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:22 am

i been screamin pass rush from game 1, fanno said we aren't getting preasure without blitzing, shoot, we aren't getting presure when we are. collins had WAY too much time sunday. barber helped but still, how many three step drops did collins throw? other than OT, you could probably count em on one hand.

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:40 am

No - Collins was 3 step dropping half the time - most of the short 5-6 yard gainers underneath and in the flats were three steppers.

With the run to the outside, we can't blitz effectively. Period.

I talked about it before and got kind of a blah reaction but here is a quote from another news source:

RUSH DEFENSE
C -- RB Tiki Barber carried 28 times for 126 yards, though most of his activity was around the ends. Washington didn't do a bad job stuffing him up the middle. DT Jermaine Haley was solid in the middle while playing with a fractured thumb, and fellow DT Bernard Holsey isn't bad at all for being such an unknown. Now if only the line could generate some pass rush. We'd like to see the linebackers fill a bit better and the tackling overall to improve.

So, with the running around the ends, the LBs have to cover outside because we can't stop it. We can't start bringing safeties and cb blitzes right now.

If they don't adjust to the sweeps and pitches, like putting Upshaw in on the right for first down and someone like Pierce and telling him to sic em, we aren't going to get a pass rush. The run game sits the line back on their heels waiting to chase Tiki or whoever outside.

If we stop the run against NE we will get more of a pass rush. We did get more pressure if not sacks in the first two games. If the QBs feel the pocket pushing in, like Doug Johnson, they throw bad passes and incompletes. I don't care as much if we are sack monsters - just make the other guy throw bad - that is where picks come from too.

skinsfanno9 · Post by **skinsfanno9** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:56 am

Dunno, I'm thinking we need a Jets DE next year. John Abraham and Shaun Ellis are coming up for contracts next year, right? Maybe we should go to Jetsinsider.com and ask them who is better to take!

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:58 am

Dunno, I'm thinking we need a Jets DE next year. John Abraham and Shaun Ellis are coming up for contracts next year, right? Maybe we should go to Jetsinsider.com and ask them who is better to take!

that was good.....although i think i saw where one of those guys were hurt right now.

skinsfanno9 · Post by **skinsfanno9** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:02 pm

My bad! The post is already there!

http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/index ... a9ec4c844d

redskinfan · Post by **redskinfan** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:05 pm

the players them selves have even said its not the pass rush all the time but the opposing qb's are only dropping back 3 step the getting rid of the ball so it sounds to me our corners are not covering for minutes or anything.they are getting out of position or something.but we do need more of a pass rush for sure.