Plaxico Burress?

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:12 pm

ESPN Insider had him listed in "long shots", a player with an outside chance of being released:

Plaxico Burress, WR Pittsburgh
Burress is in the final season of his contract and is unhappy the Steelers haven't opened talks to an extension. There is some speculation Pittsburgh wants the inconsistent Burress to play for a new contract in the hope he gives a better effort. Burress has responded by missing a mini-camp and skipping offseason workouts.

If the sides can't resolve their differences, Burress could be let go. Burress is coming off a disappointing season and has excellent size and good speed. Baltimore lost out in the Terrell Owens sweepstakes, and Dennis Northcutt is staying in Cleveland, so they might have interest.

Possible new teams: Baltimore, Chicago, and Washington.

This article was posted yesterday.

I guess if he is released, the speculation may be to sign him and trade Rod Gardner... possibly for a defensive lineman.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:29 pm

I saw that too, I thought typo at first, lol...

Seriously though, he's a great reciever, but he's stirring up trouble, is he a Gibbs kind of guy?

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:38 pm

Gary Clark?

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:47 pm

It doesn't matter whether anyone is a "Gibbs Player" or not. Being a "Gibbs Player" or a "Gibbs Guy" is overused by Skins fans and is pretty odd. If he acts his age and performs well, that's all that matters, not whether he is 100% perfect for our coach or not.

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:53 pm

No cap.

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:29 pm

Jake writes:

Being a "Gibbs Player" or a "Gibbs Guy" is overused by Skins fans and is pretty odd.

Jake, I think you're wrong on this one. Anyone that has an ounce of knowledge about Joe Gibbs knows exactly what they're talking about when they refer to someone being a "Gibbs player" or a "Gibbs Guy". It is not overused at all, in my opinion....just a guage by which we are able to determine whether a certain player would fit here in D.C..

ii7-V7 · Post by **ii7-V7** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:29 pm

I bet the reason they put the Redskins down is because they figure that the Redskins will bite on any player with a recognizable name.

Chad

JonC56 · Post by **JonC56** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:34 pm

justice hog, I'm pretty sure Dexter manley was a "gibbs guy", If you play well on the football field it seems like you can be a gibbs guy. Obvoiusly if he can get someone with character and talent that would be great, but he is paid to win and gibbs is all about surrounding himself with as much talent as he can. With that being said Gibb's isn't going to put up with alot of garbage from someone off the field.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:53 pm

Justice Hog wrote:Jake writes:

Being a "Gibbs Player" or a "Gibbs Guy" is overused by Skins fans and is pretty odd.

Jake, I think you're wrong on this one. Anyone that has an ounce of knowledge about Joe Gibbs knows exactly what they're talking about when they refer to someone being a "Gibbs player" or a "Gibbs Guy". It is not overused at all, in my opinion....just a guage by which we are able to determine whether a certain player would fit here in D.C..

Then why not use "A Spurrier guy", "a George Allen type of player", or "a Lombardi guy"? Why do people just use it for Gibbs? That's why it's odd and is overused. Because no one used that with our previous coaches.

Insano Hog · Post by **Insano Hog** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:09 pm

Because Gibbs isn't like our previous coaches, jake.

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:23 pm

I'm with Jake. Every player that Gibbs has coached is not a perfect person. If he comes to work and plays hard, that's all you can ask for. Dexter Manley has spent time in jail. Gary Clark had shouting matches with Gibbs on the sidelines. John Riggins got drunk and hit on Sandra Day O'Connor. Mark Rypien once threw a tantrum when Gibbs elected to kick a field goal before halftime.

Gibbs is great because he can coach all types of players, not because he steers away from challenges...

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:41 pm

I'm firmly behind Justice, myself. I think if you're going to commit the kind of money that Burress would want to one man, you'd better be darned tootin' sure he's the kind of guy that won't be a peckerhead in the locker room. Joe is not going to sign a guy just to sign the guy. If he was gonna be like that, Kearse would be a Redskin. Nope, sorry. The guy that comes in here is going to be a team-first, me-second guy, and he's not gonna take up the whole cap all by his lonesome.
Besides, aren't we lookin' real good these days at WR ?

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:50 pm

tcwest10 wrote:I'm firmly behind Justice, myself. I think if you're going to commit the kind of money that Burress would want to one man, you'd better be darned tootin' sure he's the kind of guy that won't be a peckerhead in the locker room. Joe is not going to sign a guy just to sign the guy. If he was gonna be like that, Kearse would be a Redskin. Nope, sorry. The guy that comes in here is going to be a team-first, me-second guy, and he's not gonna take up the whole cap all by his lonesome.
Besides, aren't we lookin' real good these days at WR ?

And also, Dexter was the exception; and certainly not the rule. A man's character off the field will affect who he is on it (and in the locker room, especially). I'm with JH and TC on this one.

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:50 pm

A Spurrier guy? Are you kidding me? We had a ton of Spurrier guys on the team at one time. All of those gators did squat for the team.

As for George Allen and Lombardi...although both were great coaches, they didn't win 3 Super Bowls with three different QBs..and I, personally, would place Gibbs above them.

If you have read Gibbs' statements all along, he's about "character first" and "skill second".

Yes, we've had a few borderline players (a la Manley) and a few "characters" (a la Riggins), but they all gave 110% for this team.

Players that give 110% for the team and put the Skins first....are "Gibbs Guys" and guys that I welcome to this team.

SkinFan 0-16 or 16-0 · Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:58 pm

First of all. I do not think that it would be in our best intrest to sign Burress. While he is a good WR, I thing our Receiving core can be among the best in the league. This would just be another move in which we damaged the cap by signing a player we did not need. Think about Pee on Sanders
We had Champ Bailey and Darrell Green. There was no need to sign him. That turned out well didn't it.

Second of all: There is a such thing as "Gibbs Player" I would basically say that it is a redskin who has good character works hard, and because of this Makes good plays on the field.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 7:27 pm

Justice Hog wrote:A Spurrier guy? Are you kidding me? We had a ton of Spurrier guys on the team at one time. All of those gators did squat for the team.

No, I'm not kidding. Whenever the Skins signed a guy who wasn't from Florida or was speedy... did anybody ever say "oh...well, is he a Spurrier guy?" No. So why is Gibbs the exception?

If "A Gibbs Guy" is a label for a player who works hard and does their best for their team, what do you call a New England Patriot? "A Gibbs Guy" is very cliche and the criteria for "a Gibbs Guy" is universal... not solely for Joe's players and his coaching style.

Edit: Yes TC, I know what a cliche is. :wink:

JonC56 · Post by **JonC56** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 7:28 pm

Im sure Gibbs has his ideal player( strong faith, great character, tremendous work ethic, and exceptional talent) but the majority of the NFL will not fit that mold. Lets take a look at our biggest pickup in the offseason: clinton portis. Flashy, cocky, reffered to himself as superman in a recent interview, and very young. That dosent sound the like the "gibbs guy" that so many of you are saying are his ideal player. When it comes down to it, Gibbs is going to surround himself with as much talent as he can. If those talented guys have the other attributes gibbs strives to have then great, but talent and good coaching are going to win you ball games in the end.

surferskin · Post by **surferskin** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 7:51 pm

Plax on the skins...that would be awesome

. He's a great receiver and plus he's represent'n ol' va. beach, baby!!! Cool

biznitchn · Post by **biznitchn** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:20 pm

Jake I'm surprised I thought you agreed with me on my post about character. I believe he does this because it makes it easier to bond, and he wants a cohesive unit.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:34 pm

biznitchn wrote:Jake I'm surprised I thought you agreed with me on my post about character. I believe he does this because it makes it easier to bond, and he wants a cohesive unit.

Don't know what you're talking about biznitchin.

biznitchn · Post by **biznitchn** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:49 pm

I mean about the character post that I did about D G how character means alot to not only the team but the fans. Even if we get the greatest reciever we can and he isn't a team player he can disrupt the entire team.If Plex is not a (Gibs style) player we shouldn't get him.

biznitchn · Post by **biznitchn** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:57 pm

He is also very religous, I read a story about him pertaining to his religion and how he surrounds himself with christians. He also did that in racing. [-o<

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Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:37 pm

Ok... How are we going to afford him?

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:08 pm

Jake writes:

If "A Gibbs Guy" is a label for a player who works hard and does their best for their team, what do you call a New England Patriot? "A Gibbs Guy" is very cliche and the criteria for "a Gibbs Guy" is universal... not solely for Joe's players and his coaching style.

Jake, my young brother, you're missing my point. I could care less what you call a Patriot, an Eagle or any player on another team.

My point is....when you have a player on the REDSKINS who is willing to go all out for the team, to give 110%, to be a team-player, to excel at his craft because he listens to coaches, to humble himself before Gibbs and his excellent coaching staff.....then that is the type of player Joe Gibbs is looking for; therefore, he becomes a "Gibbs-type" player.

Again, you may have guys that have such a work ethic on other teams....but I don't give a Gambit what they're called. (Sorry Boss, I know we're not supposed to speak profanity here.) [To Gambit, $\:D/$ ]

Cliche or not....it's an expression that has some merit and you shouldn't look down on those that use it.

Finally, calling someone a "Gibbs player" not only speaks highly of the player...but also is an expression of how high we value our coach because of the high standards he has...and demands of his players.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:09 pm

A Spurrier guy? Are you kidding me? We had a ton of Spurrier guys on the team at one time. All of those gators did squat for the team.

As for George Allen and Lombardi...although both were great coaches, they didn't win 3 Super Bowls with three different QBs..and I, personally, would place Gibbs above them.

If you have read Gibbs' statements all along, he's about "character first" and "skill second".

Yes, we've had a few borderline players (a la Manley) and a few "characters" (a la Riggins), but they all gave 110% for this team.

Players that give 110% for the team and put the Skins first....are "Gibbs Guys" and guys that I welcome to this team.

Hey Justice Hog...I have to agree 100% with your post. When a reporter asked Riggins what he wanted to be remembered for he responded with..."I want to be remembered for showing up to play every Sunday. Even though I might have done some things during the week, I showed up to play every Sunday."

I can't remember the exact words he said, but it was very close to what I wrote.

And Riggins DID show up to play every Sunday!!!