Biggest problem with NCAA Football Div 1 FCS

[flamethrower]

How would you fix this mess. Enough money from TV to actually fix this mess if done right.
How would I do this. For starters scrap the G-5, and P-5 nonsense. Then put all 128, or how many schools there are in geographically located conferences that actually make sense, and restore some of the traditional historic rivalries that have been thrown away.
I'll Start with the 1 conference that actually makes sense
PAC 12 becomes the PAC 16 Pacific Division, and Western Division
The Pacific Division would be the traditional Pac schools
USC, UCLA,Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Western Division
Arizona State, Arizona, UNLV, Nevada, Hawaii, San Diego Sate, Fresno State, and San Jose State
Mountain West Confernece
Northern Division
Boise State, Idaho, BYU, Utah, Utah State, Wyoming, Colorado, Colorado State
Southern Division
Air Force, New Mexico, New Mexico State, UTEP, UTSA, Texas State, Rice, North Texas State
South Western Conference
Northern Division
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Tulsa, Arkansas, Arkansas State, Texas Tech, SMU, and TCU
Southern Division
Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, U of Houston, LSU, La Tech, U La Monroe, U La Lafayette
Mid Western conference
Western Division
Nebraska, Kansas State, Kansas, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Missouri, and Wisconsin
Eastern Division
Illinois, Northwestern, Northern Illinois, Ball State, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Western Kentucky
Central Conference
western division
Kentucky, Louisville, Tennessee, Eastern Michigan, Western Michigan, Michigan, Michigan State, Central Michigan
Eastern Division
Akron, Bowling Green, Cincinnati, Kent State, Miami Ohio, Ohio U, Ohio State, Toledo
Gulf Coast
Western Division
Tulane, S. Alabama, Alabama, Auburn, Troy, Ole Miss, Miss State, Southern Miss
Eastern Division
U A B, Vanderbilt, MTSU, Memphis, Florida I U, Florida A U, S Florida, U C Florida
Atlantic
Northern Division
Appalachian State, Charlotte, Duke, East Carolina, North Carolina, Wake Forest, Coastal Carolina, and Clemson
Southern Division
Georgia, Georgia Tech, Georgia State, Florida, South Carolina, Miami Florida, Florida, Florida State,
North East Conference
Northern Division
B.C. , U Mass, U Conn, Buffalo, Syracuse, Army, Rutgers, Temple
Southern Division
Penn State, Pittsburgh, Navy, Maryland, West Virginia, Marshal, Old Dominion, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Now for the playoffs
Only the Conference Champions make the Bowl games. 1st round would be the Conference Championship games.
2nd round use the traditional early bowl games
3rd round use traditional New Years day bowl games. Play them on New Years Day
Championship game Use Site of Super Bowl

[Deadskins]

How would you fix this mess. Enough money from TV to actually fix this mess if done right.
How would I do this. For starters scrap the G-5, and P-5 nonsense. Then put all 128, or how many schools there are in geographically located conferences that actually make sense, and restore some of the traditional historic rivalries that have been thrown away.
I'll Start with the 1 conference that actually makes sense
PAC 12 becomes the PAC 16 Pacific Division, and Western Division
The Pacific Division would be the traditional Pac schools
USC, UCLA,Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Western Division
Arizona State, Arizona, UNLV, Nevada, Hawaii, San Diego Sate, Fresno State, and San Jose State
Mountain West Confernece
Northern Division
Boise State, Idaho, BYU, Utah, Utah State, Wyoming, Colorado, Colorado State
Southern Division
Air Force, New Mexico, New Mexico State, UTEP, UTSA, Texas State, Rice, North Texas State
South Western Conference
Northern Division
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Tulsa, Arkansas, Arkansas State, Texas Tech, SMU, and TCU
Southern Division
Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, U of Houston, LSU, La Tech, U La Monroe, U La Lafayette
Mid Western conference
Western Division
Nebraska, Kansas State, Kansas, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Missouri, and Wisconsin
Eastern Division
Illinois, Northwestern, Northern Illinois, Ball State, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Western Kentucky
Central Conference
western division
Kentucky, Louisville, Tennessee, Eastern Michigan, Western Michigan, Michigan, Michigan State, Central Michigan
Eastern Division
Akron, Bowling Green, Cincinnati, Kent State, Miami Ohio, Ohio U, Ohio State, Toledo
Gulf Coast
Western Division
Tulane, S. Alabama, Alabama, Auburn, Troy, Ole Miss, Miss State, Southern Miss
Eastern Division
U A B, Vanderbilt, MTSU, Memphis, Florida I U, Florida A U, S Florida, U C Florida
Atlantic
Northern Division
Appalachian State, Charlotte, Duke, East Carolina, North Carolina, Wake Forest, Coastal Carolina, and Clemson
Southern Division
Georgia, Georgia Tech, Georgia State, Florida, South Carolina, Miami Florida, Florida, Florida State,
North East Conference
Northern Division
B.C. , U Mass, U Conn, Buffalo, Syracuse, Army, Rutgers, Temple
Southern Division
Penn State, Pittsburgh, Navy, Maryland, West Virginia, Marshal, Old Dominion, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Now for the playoffs
Only the Conference Champions make the Bowl games. 1st round would be the Conference Championship games.
2nd round use the traditional early bowl games
3rd round use traditional New Years day bowl games. Play them on New Years Day
Championship game Use Site of Super Bowl

You would be ending too many rivalries that have existed for so long, particularly in the SEC.

[flamethrower]

I agree about the SEC Rivalries. But, the other ones that have been ended due to the ignorance of the current situation.
Pitt vs Penn State
Texas vs A&M
Arkansas vs any former SWC School besides A&M
But, my system fixes more faults than it causes.
Here's how I fix my foul ups.
You play your entire division. You play 1 team every year in the other division. Unless you win your division.
That makes 8 games. We play 12 in my deal. The other 4. You play traditional rivalry games that I might have fouled up.
I admit that my system is flawed somewhat. But, anything better than a playoff that only has 4 spots, and only 5 conferences can actually play for them.
The current one is worse than the BCS. And, I didn't think that would be possible.
I took the fix, and went totally crazy with it. But, anything would be better than the mythical championship that the top level pretends to play for.
How to fix it with out going crazy like I did. Easy. Expand the playoffs to 8 teams. SEC gets 1. Big 10+4 gets 1. PAC 12 gets 1. ACC gets 1. Big 12-2 gets one. AAC gets 1. MWC gets 1. Notre Dame must either fully join ACC, or 1 of the other conferences. Same with BYU. Where do we go for the final spot?
Easy. C-USA, MAC, Sunbelt are the conferences who have to figure that one out. Last year MAC would have gotten it.
With out trashing the SEC, ACC, BIG 10+4, or PAC 12. How would I fix this. I'll redo my set up, and leave them alone other than add teams to get them to 16 Each. Notice that I didn't include the Big 12-2 in the off limits list. Why? Because they have shown no reason that they won't be together after the GOR expires
ACC you add Notre Dame as a full member, and add West Virginia to get to 16
SEC adds U of Cincinnati, Moves Missouri to the West. Adds East Carolina to get to 16
BIG 10+4 adds Kansas, and Oklahoma. Purdue moves to the East.
PAC 12 adds U of Houston, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, and BYU
Left over Big 12-2 is Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Iowa State. They move into the AAC. Army also joins the AAC
AAC becomes Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, SMU, Tulsa, Memphis, and Tulane in the West Iowa State, U Conn, Temple, U Central Florida, South Florida,
Navy, Army, and U Mass in the East
Mountain West Adds New Mexico State, Idaho, UTEP, and UTSA to get to 16
MAC adds Marshall, Middle Tennessee, Old Dominion to get to 16
Conference USA after losing UTEP, and UTSA, Middle Tennesse, Marshall, and Old Dominion Basically merges with the Sunbelt
We got it down to 9 conferences. the one that probably will get left out will be the Sunbelt/Conference USA merger. Unless they have a perfect unbeaten team. Then I would pass on the MAC.

[TexasCowboy]

The problem is?

to many Division II schools are currently integrated into Division I

Uconn and that entire conference are clearly better for Division II
than competing with National juggernauts, Like? Notre Dame,
USC, Florida State, Alabama, LSU, or Texas

even though Uconn beat Notre Dame and has appeared in bowl games
via Division I, there is no shame in bringing them down to a level II type
of conference, taking Cincy, Temple, Rutgers, Villanova, Florida I U & A U
along with Boston College and others

It does not mean they still could not play the higher level teams once during the season! it just means they would not be eligible to play in a Division
conference bowl game

[DEHog]

The problem is?

to many Division II schools are currently integrated into Division I

Uconn and that entire conference are clearly better for Division II
than competing with National juggernauts, Like? Notre Dame,
USC, Florida State, Alabama, LSU, or Texas

even though Uconn beat Notre Dame and has appeared in bowl games
via Division I, there is no shame in bringing them down to a level II type
of conference, taking Cincy, Temple, Rutgers, Villanova, Florida I U & A U
along with Boston College and others

It does not mean they still could not play the higher level teams once during the season! it just means they would not be eligible to play in a Division
conference bowl game

I wouldn't say DII, maybe you mean Division I FCS

[TexasCowboy]

No, I meant Division II Tulane, S. Alabama Troy, Southern Miss, Akron, Bowling Green, Cincinnati, Kent State, Miami Ohio,
Ohio U,Toledo Gulf Coast Kentucky, Louisville Eastern Michigan, Western Michigan Central MichiganIllinois, Northwestern, Northern Illinois,
Ball State, Indiana, Purdue, Western Kentucky Central Conference, U of Houston La Tech, U La Monroe, U La Lafayette Mid Western conference
Air Force, New Mexico, New Mexico State, UTEP, UTSA, Texas State, Rice, North Texas State South Western Conference Boise State, Idaho, BYU, Utah,
Utah State, Wyoming, Colorado, Colorado State UNLV, Nevada, Hawaii, San Diego Sate, Fresno State, and San Jose State Appalachian State, Charlotte,
Duke, East Carolina, North Carolina, Wake Forest, Coastal Carolina, and Clemson B.C. , U Mass, U Conn, Buffalo, Syracuse, Army, Rutgers, Temple
, Navy, Maryland, Marshal, Old Dominion U A B, Vanderbilt, MTSU, Memphis, Florida I U, Florida A U, S Florida, U C Florida

Maybe you keep a few to kinda balance it out but the rest? I would easily give over to Division II play even though their basketball
programs are competing in Division I

[DEHog]

No, I meant Division II Tulane, S. Alabama Troy, Southern Miss, Akron, Bowling Green, Cincinnati, Kent State, Miami Ohio,
Ohio U,Toledo Gulf Coast Kentucky, Louisville Eastern Michigan, Western Michigan Central MichiganIllinois, Northwestern, Northern Illinois,
Ball State, Indiana, Purdue, Western Kentucky Central Conference, U of Houston La Tech, U La Monroe, U La Lafayette Mid Western conference
Air Force, New Mexico, New Mexico State, UTEP, UTSA, Texas State, Rice, North Texas State South Western Conference Boise State, Idaho, BYU, Utah,
Utah State, Wyoming, Colorado, Colorado State UNLV, Nevada, Hawaii, San Diego Sate, Fresno State, and San Jose State Appalachian State, Charlotte,
Duke, East Carolina, North Carolina, Wake Forest, Coastal Carolina, and Clemson B.C. , U Mass, U Conn, Buffalo, Syracuse, Army, Rutgers, Temple
, Navy, Maryland, Marshal, Old Dominion U A B, Vanderbilt, MTSU, Memphis, Florida I U, Florida A U, S Florida, U C Florida

Maybe you keep a few to kinda balance it out but the rest? I would easily give over to Division II play even though their basketball
programs are competing in Division I

Why would these school go to DII below teams like Delaware, JMU and Richmond? Playing the likes of Fayetteville State University, Ferris State University, University of Findlay, Florida Institute of Technology
..They's FBS 1 and FCS 1 maybe that's where the confusion is...

[TexasCowboy]

Because nationally against some of the other known colleges like Penn State, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, LSU, USC,
Florida, FL State, Alabama, Tennessee, they don't rank up! these are big name programs in terms of football, Uconn and
others are more nationally known via their Division I basketball programs.

so I see nothing wrong with down grading a few schools to Division II in football while still keeping some of
the bowl games using both I & II schools

[DEHog]

Because nationally against some of the other known colleges like Penn State, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, LSU, USC,
Florida, FL State, Alabama, Tennessee, they don't rank up! these are big name programs in terms of football, Uconn and
others are more nationally known via their Division I basketball programs.

so I see nothing wrong with down grading a few schools to Division II in football while still keeping some of
the bowl games using both I & II schools

Ok but why would you drop them two whole divisions, why not just drop them 1 division to FCS instead of DII?

[flamethrower]

DEHog look at who you are arguing with. Why would a Div 1 fbs school move all the way down to Div 2?
I do agree that some of the schools do need to move back to FCS level. But, None of them moving to Div 2.
OK who would I move down. Starting with the Sunbelt conference, and some of the Conf USA schools.
Which ones? Idaho already is moving down. New Mexico State also would move down. Florida Atl, and Florida International should move down
Heck all of Conference USA East but Marshall. And the entire Sunbelt. Other than that keep the rest at the top level. I removed about 20 schools.
That gets it down to 108 schools. The moving around gets really easy at this point.

[TexasCowboy]

He's not arguing, we're actually having a discussion on the subject at hand, I believe that to clear up the congestion of
confusion surrounding who actually plays for the Division I title every year, along with the confusion of the playoff
system its self, There have to be individual schools the ones I mentioned, That do need to take the step down to
Division II

Nationally many of them just aren't ever going to compete recruiting wise with the bigger name schools
they may offer the program in which they want a degree in? but there is also the issue of wanting to be
in the NFL when their college days are over with?

They need national exposure and an actual title to give them that chance, let's face it playing in some
flimsy bowl game isn't enough anymore if I were out of high school. Looking to play college ball and
I were given the choice between Penn State, Notre Dame, Texas or Buffalo

you can't seriously believe I would even entertain Buffalo as my choice when the top schools are
calling

I say drop the schools I mentioned to Division II and let the rest compete for the national title

[Countertrey]

Pavlov would be pleased with this thread...

[DEHog]

He's not arguing, we're actually having a discussion on the subject at hand, I believe that to clear up the congestion of
confusion surrounding who actually plays for the Division I title every year, along with the confusion of the playoff
system its self, There have to be individual schools the ones I mentioned, That do need to take the step down to
Division II

Nationally many of them just aren't ever going to compete recruiting wise with the bigger name schools
they may offer the program in which they want a degree in? but there is also the issue of wanting to be
in the NFL when their college days are over with?

They need national exposure and an actual title to give them that chance, let's face it playing in some
flimsy bowl game isn't enough anymore if I were out of high school. Looking to play college ball and
I were given the choice between Penn State, Notre Dame, Texas or Buffalo

you can't seriously believe I would even entertain Buffalo as my choice when the top schools are
calling

I say drop the schools I mentioned to Division II and let the rest compete for the national title

The FCS does not compete for a D1 "FBS" title every year. They have their own 16 team playoff...why would a Buffalo or Uconn drop all the way to DII surely they can compete in the FCS??

[TexasCowboy]

I figured there was only Division I, II, III was not aware of the FBS system, then if that is the case then I am all for them
dropping to it along with the schools I mentioned

[flamethrower]

He's not arguing, we're actually having a discussion on the subject at hand, I believe that to clear up the congestion of
confusion surrounding who actually plays for the Division I title every year, along with the confusion of the playoff
system its self, There have to be individual schools the ones I mentioned, That do need to take the step down to
Division II

Nationally many of them just aren't ever going to compete recruiting wise with the bigger name schools
they may offer the program in which they want a degree in? but there is also the issue of wanting to be
in the NFL when their college days are over with?

They need national exposure and an actual title to give them that chance, let's face it playing in some
flimsy bowl game isn't enough anymore if I were out of high school. Looking to play college ball and
I were given the choice between Penn State, Notre Dame, Texas or Buffalo

you can't seriously believe I would even entertain Buffalo as my choice when the top schools are
calling

I say drop the schools I mentioned to Division II and let the rest compete for the national title

The FCS does not compete for a D1 "FBS" title every year. They have their own 16 team playoff...why would a Buffalo or Uconn drop all the way to DII surely they can compete in the FCS??

DE if you notice. Posters with a clue about the subject would know the difference between Div 1 FBS P-5, and G-5, DIV 1 FCS, Div 2, Div 3, and NAIA levels of College football. Posters who are intelligent, but don't know. Would at least use google to research the topic.
Also most DIV 2 level stadiums are about the size of typical High School stadiums. 99% of the schools that the uninformed poster wants moved below DIV 1 FCS level have stadiums much larger than that. U of Houston, Rice, North Texas, or SMU are lesser football schools than Sam Houston State, Stephen F. Austin, Houston Baptist, or Lamar U. This alone just boggles the mind. I listed several Texas Div 1 FCS schools to make my point.
Let's look at the conferences that that poster are saying are worse than Div 1 FCS Shall we.
Mountain West, All American Conference, MAC, Conf-USA, and Sunbelt are worse than the Div 1 FCS conferences of the SWAC, Ivy League, Big Sky, Big South, Colonial, Mid Eastern Atlantic, Missouri Valley, North East,
Ohio Valley, Patriot League, Pioneer League, Southern, Southland.
I don't think so. In fact Idaho is moving down voluntarily to the FBS next year. Not to Div 2. Now why would DIV 1 FCS allow Idaho to move down instead of what the poster wants???
Also right now there are over 40 Bowl games. If what the poster wants to happen does. There would be only 65 schools in the DIV 1 FBS. And, to be eligible for a bowl game you have to win 6 games minimum. How would they fill all of those 80+ bowl games slots with only 65 schools.
Oh by the way the only unbeaten team in the regular season for the FBS level was U Central Florida which is located in the AAC. Which shows that the poster knows nothing about this subject.

[TexasCowboy]

I love how dumb people ^^^ see above ^^^ are basically spouting off the same rhetoric but believe they are making an entirely different argument altogether. Yes, he is that dumb, NO you cannot make it up it really is what it is

carry on

[flamethrower]

Mod's are personal attacks now allowed in the Lounge area? Because the troll just launched one. Countertrey told both of us to cease. I did. But, the troll continues. Well Mods you can close this thread. Cause the troll chose to derail it with a personal attack.

[TexasCowboy]

I am attacking your comment this isn't Willy Wonka there is NO sugar coating and if you insist on complaining your comment to DE is a direct personal attack about me, claiming I did not have a clue, well it just so turns out that I do in fact have a clue regarding this subject

so stop the embarrassment already and move on

[DEHog]

I am attacking your comment this isn't Willy Wonka there is NO sugar coating and if you insist on complaining your comment to DE is a direct personal attack about me, claiming I did not have a clue, well it just so turns out that I do in fact have a clue regarding this subject

so stop the embarrassment already and move on

Well your “clue” is a little misguided in this case. You really don’t have an understanding of the levels of college football, but I get your point. I don’t think any FBS schools are going to reclass to Division II unless there are some drastic changes at the university....It usually goes the other way.

[TexasCowboy]

Probably not, Division 1 schools get a great deal of money from alumni and boosters which includes a pay day for the loser of the various bowl games they play in? my beef. Is that because there are so many Division 1
schools, the NCAA has got this whole playoff system all screwed up

take this year

Wisconsin was left out when they clearly earned a right to at least contend rather than? being left out in the cold, Oklahoma (can't stand) wins the Big 12, Clemson I believe won the ACC title then you got Georgia and Alabama, who does not deserve the 4th spot at 11-1

to me all this confusion is easily solved if you take the other schools out of the picture and go to a
better format, with more out of conference games then decide who should play for the national title?

[DEHog]

What does that have to do with team moving to different divisions? The playoff struture in the FBS is a different topic.

[TexasCowboy]

Oy vey, it's not a different topic when 129 Division 1 schools are all competing for the same national title every single year, The problem is the 129 that is entirely too many Division 1 schools compare that to the NFL, 32 teams, 4 divisions, 1 divisional winner, 6 playoff spots, 2 of which are wild-card positions, the format is better because there is NO confusion on who gets in and who has to wait till next year before getting another chance

plus in the NFL you get a better chance at a strength of schedule, more out of conference games and you can lock in a playoff spot without even having a title game unless it comes down to 2 teams competing for the division, This is the stark contrast which makes the NFL's way of doing things better. College goes through all the hoops has entirely too many bowl games, and screws things up when it comes to selection

Eliminate the problem, problem solved

[DEHog]

I think you can make an argument that it’s easier in college…you can recruit, set your own schedule, and carry a ton of players on your roster. The only issue with D1 FBS is there’s only 4 team allowed into the playoffs…while all the others have 16 or more. The NFL is all set…strength of schedule is a joke, 14 games are already pre-determined…only two are done by precious years results.

[TexasCowboy]

OK point well taken, That in college you can hand pick the opponents you want to face? as opposed to the NFL who go through a roulette wheel system of (X) number of years which determines which non-conference opponents you will face? and while, Yes, Colleges are looking for the top prospects coming out of high school, to play in Division 1, The NFL isn't exactly looking for scrubs to come to their "respected" teams in order to win a Lombardi title at some point

overall, The way the NFL handles their system is in many ways "Better" lesser teams, divisions, and a playoff system that at least gets it right as to who belongs and who waits, personally the NCAA could learn a few things (IMO) about ways to make it better and easier, than having it so damn confusing/complicated where it just turns into more of a mess than it should be

[DEHog]

OK point well taken, That in college you can hand pick the opponents you want to face? as opposed to the NFL who go through a roulette wheel system of (X) number of years which determines which non-conference opponents you will face? and while, Yes, Colleges are looking for the top prospects coming out of high school, to play in Division 1, The NFL isn't exactly looking for scrubs to come to their "respected" teams in order to win a Lombardi title at some point

overall, The way the NFL handles their system is in many ways "Better" lesser teams, divisions, and a playoff system that at least gets it right as to who belongs and who waits, personally the NCAA could learn a few things (IMO) about ways to make it better and easier, than having it so damn confusing/complicated where it just turns into more of a mess than it should be

Yea maybe, but they have alot of "PR" work to do after this nightmare of a season....I would argue the college game was much more popular this year!