Skins sign TE Vernon Davis

[Irn-Bru]

Right on! Given how Scott and Bruce have played free agency so far, I assume it was to a team-friendly deal.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -redskins/

[Countertrey]

Right on! Given how Scott and Bruce have played free agency so far, I assume it was to a team-friendly deal.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -redskins/

Anxious to see how much he has left... Could be a huge signing. Kirk must be smiling.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Right on! Given how Scott and Bruce have played free agency so far, I assume it was to a team-friendly deal.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -redskins/

Anxious to see how much he has left... Could be a huge signing. Kirk must be smiling.

Or crapping himself. They're making sure he has no excuses not to live up to that franchise tag.

[Countertrey]

Anxious to see how much he has left... Could be a huge signing. Kirk must be smiling.

Or crapping himself. They're making sure he has no excuses not to live up to that franchise tag.

Come on, bro! Cousins has shown that he knows how to use a tight end... and if there is anything that a decent quarterback likes more than a good tight end... it's two good tight ends.

You might call it, a double entendre...

[Irn-Bru]

I think there's definitely a good deal of risk involved here. Maybe Davis returns to c. 2013 form, or maybe the decline is real and will just continue here. But we aren't betting on it so much as giving him a chance to show he's still got gas left in the tank. There basically is nothing to dislike about the arrangement, unless it turns out we paid him $7 million to be here, or something.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Come on, bro! Cousins has shown that he knows how to use a tight end... and if there is anything that a decent quarterback likes more than a good tight end... it's two good tight ends.

You might call it, a double entendre...

I think they have good reasons for this move. Reed can't stay healthy. He's a terrible blocker. Paul and Carrier are both coming off injuries. Paulsen isn't a receiving threat.

[riggofan]

Come on, bro! Cousins has shown that he knows how to use a tight end... and if there is anything that a decent quarterback likes more than a good tight end... it's two good tight ends.

You might call it, a double entendre...

I think they have good reasons for this move. Reed can't stay healthy. He's a terrible blocker. Paul and Carrier are both coming off injuries. Paulsen isn't a receiving threat.

Absolutely. We're like one Jordan Reed bump to the head away from complete disaster.

I was surprised to see Vernon Davis is only 32.

[mastdark81]

To me this has potential but Vernon Davis is more of a signing you would look at AFTER the draft. He hasn't been good the last few years and I think he lost his love for the game and just going through the motions to be honest.

[SkinsJock]

To me this has potential but Vernon Davis is more of a signing you would look at AFTER the draft. He hasn't been good the last few years and I think he lost his love for the game and just going through the motions to be honest.

this FO is not interested in what a player has done - they are adding players that can help this franchise in the future ...

this FO has a clue about what they are doing and what type of players they need

[riggofan]

To me this has potential but Vernon Davis is more of a signing you would look at AFTER the draft. He hasn't been good the last few years and I think he lost his love for the game and just going through the motions to be honest.

this FO is not interested in what a player has done - they are adding players that can help this franchise in the future ...

this FO has a clue about what they are doing and what type of players they need

Nobody is infallible. I thought mastdark81 made a pretty fair point, and I would be interested to look more closely at what Davis has done recently. I knew he had fallen off from his previous form over the past two or three years, but can't claim to know the details.

You do have to consider that he was traded to the Broncos in November. Kind of hard to get up on the scheme joining the team midway through the season.

[SkinsJock]

totally agree that nobody is infallible but I think we have added a good player at a position that is a bit of a concern

I also think that Scot may have had a lot to do with this addition - that's more than good enough for me

[mastdark81]

totally agree that nobody is infallible but I think we have added a good player at a position that is a bit of a concern

I also think that Scot may have had a lot to do with this addition - that's more than good enough for me

Why everybody have a Scot crush like the man can do no wrong? Same man brought in Pot Roast last year and a couple bum tight ends. We simply cannot get accustom to comparing our team with the past. Scot legit has a great track record and is good but c'mon Vernon Davis has been bad the last few years, even when Kaep was smoking and one of the hottest qb's he wasn't getting much run. His best years are behind him but if they signed him for cheap (close to league minimum) then I think it is an upgrade, add depth, and put competitive pressure on the tight ends we already have.

[Irn-Bru]

totally agree that nobody is infallible but I think we have added a good player at a position that is a bit of a concern

I also think that Scot may have had a lot to do with this addition - that's more than good enough for me

Why everybody have a Scot crush like the man can do no wrong?

Probably because most of his FA moves were good ones that upgraded their position with team-friendly contracts, and none of them were overpriced busts that smacked of our Dan Snyder history. Also because he gave this team the greatest draft it's had in (potentially) decades. And he handled an explosive situation with RGIII such that it caused basically no harm to the organization — let me repeat: a QB controversy, in DC, that basically came to nothing — and, oh yeah, we came out of that mess with a possible Pro Bowler under center who isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

But yeah, aside from that what has he actually done?

[riggofan]

Its not that every move Scot makes is going to be the right one. Its that he clearly knows what he is doing in this job. His moves at least give us a good chance at success IMO.

I think though in the case of Davis, its fair or at least interesting to ask what Scot is seeing that other people might not be. Like mastdark81 wrote, there's no denying that Davis' production fell off sharply the past two or three years and there didn't seem to be much of a market for him this off season. I'm not questioning whether Scot is right or wrong about him. Just curious what went into that decision.

Waiting to see the details of that contract btw. On a one year deal, we may be overstating this signing altogether. Davis might be struggling to make the 53 this summer for all we know.

[StorminMormon86]

I like this signing because of the durability issues with Reed.

[Irn-Bru]

Its not that every move Scot makes is going to be the right one. Its that he clearly knows what he is doing in this job. His moves at least give us a good chance at success IMO.

In the real world, a good GM will make some moves that don't work out, because in order to be good at the job you have to take some calculated risks. By definition, not all of those are going to work out. The key is whether you are beating the house over the long run.

You give a guy with potential (like Knighton) a one-year contract with the promise that he can come back on a multi-year deal if he performs. Maybe after the year is over the team decides he didn't do enough to justify that contract. Oh well.

You draft a guy in the later rounds that has a ton of upside even if he's got a lot of rough edges in his technique. Maybe he fails to make the final 53 (Evan Spencer), but maybe he ends up being your third wideout by the end of the season (Crowder).

Even after just one season I think it's safe to say that McCloughan's got a pretty big advantage over the house. We won the division and went to the playoffs with a young squad. We've got no contracts dragging us down and we very likely have our answer at QB. The locker room is happy. We continue to improve the quality of our depth. When we don't resign players because they won't make it here anymore, they immediately catch on with other teams. We've got eight picks going into the draft and are poised to get a couple of compensatory picks next year given the FAs we let walk.

I think though in the case of Davis, its fair or at least interesting to ask what Scot is seeing that other people might not be. Like mastdark81 wrote, there's no denying that Davis' production fell off sharply the past two or three years and there didn't seem to be much of a market for him this off season. I'm not questioning whether Scot is right or wrong about him. Just curious what went into that decision.

Me too. I think one thing to keep in mind is that San Fran was turning into a dumpster fire during 2014 and 2015, and that Davis and Kaepernick are reported to have had a bad relationship in particular.

It could be that Davis has nothing left in the tank. I'm fine with bringing him in to find out.

Waiting to see the details of that contract btw. On a one year deal, we may be overstating this signing altogether. Davis might be struggling to make the 53 this summer for all we know.

When I praise the signing, I'm more or less assuming this, and I think it's a fair assumption given the Redskins' history of contracts under McCloughan/Allen.

[SkinsJock]

I'm just V. pleased with how quickly this franchise has IMO been able to change it's image - we used to think that adding a Sean Taylor or some other future hall of fame player was going to make a huge difference - now we see what happens when the FO drafts a bunch of good young players, PLUS & a few FAs each year instead of just a few hopefully great ones like Dan Snyder and his boys used to do - remember the Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders year?

Davis is not guaranteed anything - he adds to the offense or he's gone

[mastdark81]

totally agree that nobody is infallible but I think we have added a good player at a position that is a bit of a concern

I also think that Scot may have had a lot to do with this addition - that's more than good enough for me

Why everybody have a Scot crush like the man can do no wrong?

Probably because most of his FA moves were good ones that upgraded their position with team-friendly contracts, and none of them were overpriced busts that smacked of our Dan Snyder history. Also because he gave this team the greatest draft it's had in (potentially) decades. And he handled an explosive situation with RGIII such that it caused basically no harm to the organization — let me repeat: a QB controversy, in DC, that basically came to nothing — and, oh yeah, we came out of that mess with a possible Pro Bowler under center who isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

But yeah, aside from that what has he actually done?

Even though I think some of your statements are exaggerated I personally like Scot as our gm of player personnel. I do realize he makes good moves but he can and has made mistakes as well and currently have no ring on his finger from the past as a GM. I'm just saying that Scot McCloughan could draft Homer Simpson and some people on here thehogs.net would be crying in tears of joy...that is all i'm saying. Kinda gets annoying.

We gotta give credit to Bruce Allen and Eric Schafer for the cap friendly contracts!

[Countertrey]

Why everybody have a Scot crush like the man can do no wrong?

Probably because most of his FA moves were good ones that upgraded their position with team-friendly contracts, and none of them were overpriced busts that smacked of our Dan Snyder history. Also because he gave this team the greatest draft it's had in (potentially) decades. And he handled an explosive situation with RGIII such that it caused basically no harm to the organization — let me repeat: a QB controversy, in DC, that basically came to nothing — and, oh yeah, we came out of that mess with a possible Pro Bowler under center who isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

But yeah, aside from that what has he actually done?

Even though I think some of your statements are exaggerated I personally like Scot as our gm of player personnel. I do realize he makes good moves but he can and has made mistakes as well and currently have no ring on his finger from the past as a GM. I'm just saying that Scot McCloughan could draft Homer Simpson and some people on here thehogs.net would be crying in tears of joy...that is all i'm saying. Kinda gets annoying.

We gotta give credit to Bruce Allen and Eric Schafer for the cap friendly contracts!

And, you say Bru exaggerated???

[mastdark81]

And, you say Bru exaggerated???

Sarcasm my friend sarcasm

[SkinsJock]

What Scot has done in the past really does not matter much ... the important thing is he's done very well here with a franchise that was in disarray just a short time ago ... still some work to do, but we are no longer a laughing matter

I'm not sure that I would say that Scot is infallible - he's just beginning and in a very short amount of time he's accomplished a lot

btw - Joe Gibbs did not have a SB ring before he got here either ... just saying ...

[Countertrey]

And, you say Bru exaggerated???

Sarcasm my friend sarcasm

If there is one thing that is desperately needed at THN, it is a quality sarcasm smiley...

[Irn-Bru]

Contract details are in: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... 4-million/

"The one-year contract that tight end Vernon Davis signed with the Redskins last week calls for the 11th-year veteran to earn a base salary of $1.35 million, and up to $2.4 million if he meets all of the incentives in the pact."

The base salary is not much more than the vet minimum for a guy with Davis' experience. Pretty much as low risk for the 'Skins as it gets.

[mastdark81]

What Scot has done in the past really does not matter much ... the important thing is he's done very well here with a franchise that was in disarray just a short time ago ... still some work to do, but we are no longer a laughing matter

I'm not sure that I would say that Scot is infallible - he's just beginning and in a very short amount of time he's accomplished a lot

btw - Joe Gibbs did not have a SB ring before he got here either ... just saying ...

What I was most impressed with most was the guys that he picked up that wasn't high sought after free agents or drafts picks. That's how you win it all, with the combination with the proper coaching.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Davis got hurt then had noodle arm Krappernic throwing wounded ducks but mostly missing him running free.. the coaching staff and players gave up; what three players under 35 retired?? This is a low risk high reward signing. I believe Davis is a BEAST and can possibly play at a Tony Gonzales esque level for years to come. With the right culture and opportunities the ball is in his court. I'd also point out that on top of it being Nov when he landed with Denver, he also had a qb carousel, Payton thrown lame ducks before hand, and an offense MUCH harder to grasp then most: the Payton signal caller, learning on the go with live bullets flying.

A full off-season will be much more telling on where is is and what he has left in the tank