Cousins not being judged as hard as Griff

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

And so on...
This is a great read and highlights a lot of what my thought process is and our own debates on here. Good read for anyone, enjoy!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc- ... ative_1_na

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

A person would have to be a complete idiot to judge a 4th round draft pick outside the top 100 and a 1st round draft pick who cost THREE 1st round picks plus a 2nd round pick the same.

[oj]

Lets let wins and losses do the judging.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Oh, wait. I forgot to make it a race issue just for clickbait. It's because RGIII is Black. Yea, that's the reason. If he was White and couldn't read progressions or defenses he would still be starting. Jay Gruden hates only one thing more than losing and that's Black people, which is why all the White players are starting and all the Black players are on the bench.

[riggofan]

Lets let wins and losses do the judging.

NO. I don't want to judge either of these guys on wins and losses. Let's judge them on how they're playing their position. Period.

[SkinsJock]

The QB for the Redskins is always a huge discussion point for the fans and the media - the Redskins QB should really only be judged on how he helps the offense on the field - that isn't good enough for the media - they love controversy - if there isn't any they will create it

RGIII and the Redskins had a magical 2012 and then we had 2013 and 2014 - there are many that think that Cousins just needs time to prove that he's a capable NFL QB and many of them totally resent RGIII and his play on the field since 2012 and especially his 'status' with the owner and his team mates

at this time, I'm not sure that Griffin can become a good NFL QB - I'm not sure that anyone's capable of making the transition from not needing to be able to read defenses to being able to recognize what is going on across from you before the ball is snapped

I'm also not sure that a QB can get over the pressure that must come from being considered "a liability" (deserved or not) because of the turnovers that happen while you are the QB - Brett Favre threw a lot of interceptions (most all time) but the other aspects of his game far outweighed that fact - Cousins has an awful lot to do to be considered a good NFL QB and I'm not sure that's possible when the fear of failure is so big and it affects your decision making - I also think that Cousins mechanics contribute to his level of play or lack thereof - the other thing that does not help Cousins is the fact that the coaches and the play calling seem to be factored to not let him be the QB he's capable of

so we have 2 QBs for the Redskins that at this time are not good NFL QBs and the pressure and scrutiny that go with the territory here are not helping either one

Captain Kirk may prove to be able to overcome his issues and that would be a huge plus for the franchise - we just have not seen that yet
this game this week against a really good defense that likes to pressure QBs into making bad decisions will tell us all a lot

Robert Griffin III may prove to be able to overcome his issues but I don't see him seeing the field this season - IMO the real reason that Griffin is still on the roster is solely to see how well Gruden and McVay do with the offense in 2015 and make a choice on what to do with him in 2016 based on if Gruden is here or not - IMO we will not see both Gruden and Griffin on this roster in 2016 - one or both will be gone

I agree with some of the article but ... the Redskins QB 'situation' is great for the media, each and every season ...

[oj]

Lets let wins and losses do the judging.

NO. I don't want to judge either of these guys on wins and losses. Let's judge them on how they're playing their position. Period.

Good point.

[Irn-Bru]

And so on...
This is a great read and highlights a lot of what my thought process is and our own debates on here. Good read for anyone, enjoy!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc- ... ative_1_na

I read the exchange.

What an idiot. I want those 10 minutes of my life back.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Oh, wait. I forgot to make it a race issue just for clickbait. It's because RGIII is Black. Yea, that's the reason. If he was White and couldn't read progressions or defenses he would still be starting. Jay Gruden hates only one thing more than losing and that's Black people, which is why all the White players are starting and all the Black players are on the bench.

You are a riot bro... Did you read the entire article? Or did you stop at black?

It's a fair point... Gruden thrashed Robert for every move, and covers kirks butt for equally disappointing play. I don't think it's a race thing my self, But I don't KNOW that it's not either.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

And so on...
This is a great read and highlights a lot of what my thought process is and our own debates on here. Good read for anyone, enjoy!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc- ... ative_1_na

I read the exchange.

What an idiot. I want those 10 minutes of my life back.

Ya, I'm pretty confident you are talking about the guy in the article and not me... I'm sorry you didn't care for it, or even acknowledge that anything he said was actually going on. My bad

[StorminMormon86]

I really cannot stand Bomani Jones. As soon as I saw his name in the title of the article, I knew what it was going to come down to. He literally does not like the fact that a white quarterback is playing over a benched black quarterback. He "analyzes" other teams the same. I remember on his show in 2013 talking about how the rules changed when Michael Vick became a QB who liked to escape the pocket, and that the rules were made to protect the pocket QB's. When pressed, he finally admitted that by "pocket QB", he meant "white". He's a tool.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

You are a riot bro... Did you read the entire article? Or did you stop at black?

It's a fair point... Gruden thrashed Robert for every move, and covers kirks butt for equally disappointing play. I don't think it's a race thing my self, But I don't KNOW that it's not either.

I read the entire article. Like Irn-Bru, it's 10 minutes I'll never get back. Trying to poorly couch racism as something else is not a fair point. Furthermore, the play is not "equally disappointing." Kirk is keeping the team in most games. Robert was keeping the team out of most games.

[DarthMonk]

[hitmandm]

Not a race thing.

But yes, Gruden kills RG3 and praises Cousins. He also has taken a 3 time 1000 yd pro bowl rusher and misused him. There is a clear double standard and it is at the core of the unfairness/ineptitude many fans believe is crippling the Redskins.

Gruden will be fired at the end of the year because he really does suck. The record, this embarrassing bungling of the media and personnel and his general stupidity will do him in.

I can't wait because he is in over his head. Coaching in the NFL is too big for Gruden

[EA7649]

And so on...
This is a great read and highlights a lot of what my thought process is and our own debates on here. Good read for anyone, enjoy!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc- ... ative_1_na

I think its a good read and right now I agree McCoy is the better start. Later on in the season its be nice to see Robert.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Nobody was open.

[StorminMormon86]

I can guarantee you if Colt McCoy was starting, and had the same exact stats that Cousins has produced this year, he'd be all over McCoy as well. That is what he does.

[OldSchool]

It is ludricious to compare Griffin to Cousins because Griffin isn't smart enough to run an NFL offense. It remains to be seen if Cousins becomes a below average, average, better than average or great NFL quarterback but the verdict has been rendered regarding Griffin, too slow between the ears. Despite all the investment in him Griffin can't make pre snap reads, change protections, call audibles, move within a pocket and progress through a route tree after 3 1/2 years because he lacks the mental processing capability that is essential to competently play the position.

Griffin fans can pine for him, whine about it, harshly criticize the second coach who failed to turn a sows ear into silk purse and stick pins in their Cousins voodoo doll for beating him out, but if they have a shred of understanding they know Griffin can't run an NFL offense and is a MEGABUST. Three first round and 1 second round pick for a totally useless bust and an annoying prima Donna to boot, an EPIC Snyder mistake for the ages.

[SkinsJock]

^^ it's this type of garbage that motivates me - I'll keep on making snide remarks and posts because a bunch of you almost 'support' and encourage this stuff - get your track shoes on OldSchool, you're going to need them

[hitmandm]

Griffin took us single handedly to the 2012 playoffs. Obviously he can play. He was done in by some injuries, but he was done in by coaches who are egomaniacs who take a my way or the highway attitude and didn't want him. No player can succeed like that. Put Griff with a coach who wants to craft an Offense around him, he will succeed way more than Kirk or Colt.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Griffin took us single handedly to the 2012 playoffs. Obviously he can play. He was done in by some injuries, but he was done in by coaches who are egomaniacs who take a my way or the highway attitude and didn't want him. No player can succeed like that. Put Griff with a coach who wants to craft an Offense around him, he will succeed way more than Kirk or Colt.

But Griffin didn't single handedly take the team to the playoffs in 2012. Alfred Morris rushed for 1613 yards that season.

There is no pro offense that revolves around a quarterback who can't read progressions or defenses. There is no offensive scheme that is designed for a quarterback who can't pass from the pocket. In 2012 teams were still adjusting defensively to the quarterback option. Teams have since adjusted. What worked three years ago doesn't work now. That's why RGIII is 5-15 since 2012. It's also why he's in street clothes. He can't play. Obviously. If he could the team wouldn't be wasting three first round picks plus a 2nd round pick to keep RGIII in street clothes while they play a 4th round pick they never expected to be anything more than a career backup and back him up with a 3rd round pick of the Cleveland Browns, a team who couldn't find a quarterback if Jesus gifted them one. McCoy is 1-3 since 2012.

Cousins is 3-10 since 2012. Cousins may not be anything more than another also ran but RGIII had his opportunities and proved he not only wasn't worth the price paid but he wasn't even worth the 4th round price paid for Kirk Cousins. He's a colossal bust of biblical proportions and his story has the makings of an epic Greek tragedy. Cousins could at least prove himself a capable backup if not a bona fide starter. All three quarterbacks on the roster could be out come season's end.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Bust... Like how many "busts" have nfl records, and rookie of the year?
Funny, that the price paid us the reason why we need to move on.. when Kirk fails it's all good cause we paid less?

Lol good one! All the hate, and we at least kept filthy out of the playoffs last year... Deep balls hitting wide outs down field, remember? It's been a while, you'd have to set the hateraid down to recall I'm sure

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Nobody was open.

Just proving the article true.... Where's Kirk missing wide open receivers all year? Oh wait... Nm

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Bust... Like how many "busts" have nfl records, and rookie of the year?
Funny, that the price paid us the reason why we need to move on.. when Kirk fails it's all good cause we paid less?

Lol good one! All the hate, and we at least kept filthy out of the playoffs last year... Deep balls hitting wide outs down field, remember? It's been a while, you'd have to set the hateraid down to recall I'm sure

No one cares what a player did three years ago. NFL = Not For Long. No one said "When Kirk fails it's all good." That's a strawman argument. What has been said is that one does not evaluate a #2 overall pick who cost three 1sts and a 2nd in the same manner one evaluates a #102 4th round pick because the expectations are entirely different. Teams don't draft a quarterback in the 4th round with the expectation he will become a franchise quarterback. When a team pays a premium for a draft pick it is expected that player will be a cornerstone for a decade or longer. RGIII has been here three seasons. In season three he's wearing street clothes. That's Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Rick Mirer, Heath Shuler bad. But none of those players cost what RGIII cost, so it's far worse. It's the single worst personnel decision in NFL history and Bruce Allen should have been drawn and quartered for it, not promoted. They mortgaged the future for a player the head coach didn't even want, because the head coach knew he lacked the fundamental skills required to play the position.

Relive 2012 if it makes you feel better. Most everyone else has moved on. We have to, because the reality of the situation makes us want to kick puppies and throw kittens into blenders.

[Bishop Hammer]

Not a race thing.

But yes, Gruden kills RG3 and praises Cousins. He also has taken a 3 time 1000 yd pro bowl rusher and misused him. There is a clear double standard and it is at the core of the unfairness/ineptitude many fans believe is crippling the Redskins.

Gruden will be fired at the end of the year because he really does suck. The record, this embarrassing bungling of the media and personnel and his general stupidity will do him in.

I can't wait because he is in over his head. Coaching in the NFL is too big for Gruden

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/10/ ... ead-coach/