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I just got around to watching the game vs. the Browns this weekend and saw Scherff playing OG. Is this correct? That is what it says on the skins depth chart also..... with Morgan Moses at OT......
I guess all the doubters were correct in their assertion that he couldn't play OT??? Does anyone know if the decision to play him at OG was due to Moses being better at RT than the OG counterpart? Based on last years play, Moses was one of the worst OL I saw in the entire league.
Not sure if this has been discussed as I jump on this site far less during the offseason.
I guess all the doubters were correct in their assertion that he couldn't play OT??? Does anyone know if the decision to play him at OG was due to Moses being better at RT than the OG counterpart? Based on last years play, Moses was one of the worst OL I saw in the entire league.
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Re: Scherff playing OG?
markshark84 wrote:I just got around to watching the game vs. the Browns this weekend and saw Scherff playing OG. Is this correct? That is what it says on the skins depth chart also..... with Morgan Moses at OT......
I guess all the doubters were correct in their assertion that he couldn't play OT??? Does anyone know if the decision to play him at OG was due to Moses being better at RT than the OG counterpart? Based on last years play, Moses was one of the worst OL I saw in the entire league.
Not sure if this has been discussed as I jump on this site far less during the offseason.
Not quite. They were very pleasantly surprised with Moses on his return... It turns out that he actually can play RT... So, the team decided to use Scherff at RG, where they already KNOW he is a beast.
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I don't really mind this scenario at all. It's not like Scherff stunk it up at RT, Moses just came in and surprised everyone. I'd rather have a good Tackle and a great Guard anchoring the line than a good RT and mediocre guard with Moses on the bench. They're both young and building chemistry next to each other under a great O-line coach. These two could hold down the right side of the line for years.
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Re: Scherff playing OG?
As others have pointed out, I think this has more to do with the combination of players than it does Scherff's ability.
He was apparently having trouble in training camp, but they sounded like typical rookie problems that he could (presumably) work through. But the switch probably says more about Moses' own development and the superiority of a Moses-Scherff combo versus a Scherff-Long combo.
He was apparently having trouble in training camp, but they sounded like typical rookie problems that he could (presumably) work through. But the switch probably says more about Moses' own development and the superiority of a Moses-Scherff combo versus a Scherff-Long combo.
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Starting Scherff at RG makes sense if Moses is playing well. Its a safer spot for Scherff to adjust to the NFL. I just hope it works well against other teams.
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I'm cool with it. He is supposed to be a really good guard. If he needs to play tackle put him in tackle. When that time comes he will have more confidence playing it since he was a guard in the league.
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This is very long and also behind WaPo's paywall, so I've (probably wrongly) cut and pasted it for everyone's pleasure below. There are pictures that go with each blurb about Moses and Scherff, but I'm not copying all of those, too. If you're so inclined I found the narrative plus pictures to be very helpful.
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By Mark Bullock August 17 at 7:00 AM
Outside of Robert Griffin III, the biggest story line in Redskins training camp has been the emergence of Morgan Moses at right tackle and rookie Brandon Scherff converting to guard. Many people, myself included, felt that Scherff would be a better fit at guard than tackle. Regardless, Washington GM Scot McCloughan insisted Scherff was drafted to be the right tackle.
[Gruden: It’s safe to say Scherff will remain at right guard]
But in the preseason opener against Cleveland, Scherff started at right guard, with Moses occupying the right tackle spot. Many training camp reports suggested that Moses had improved on his technique and come back strongly from his injury last season. Against the Browns, we finally got confirmation of those reports. Moses’s big problem in his rookie season was bending from the waist, rather than the knee.
This kind of technique is exactly what coaches hate to see. Offensive linemen who bend from the waist tend to lunge at defenders and can easily be caught off balance. Aldon Smith took full advantage of that last year.
Moses lunges at Smith, who gets his hands inside and pulls Moses off balance. That allows Smith to get past Moses extremely quickly.
But what we saw Thursday night from Moses was much improved.
On an obvious pass play on third down, the Browns align their pass rusher very wide to give him a better angle against Moses.
But Moses has no troubles getting across to cut off the rusher. More importantly, he stays patient, allowing the rusher to come to him instead of lunging towards the rusher. Notice how wide his base is. By spreading his feet further apart, Moses is able to play lower, something he struggled with previously. This adjustment stops Moses from waist-bending and keeps him better balanced.
There are still things to improve on for Moses. One quarter in preseason doesn’t mean he can maintain an improved technique for an entire season, but it’s a promising start. You can still pick at his technique here, as Moses allowed the rusher to get his hands on his chest, which can’t happen against the best rushers in the NFL.
Another problem Moses, and indeed the rest of the Redskins’ offensive line, had last season was picking up stunts. Moses coped well with one that the Browns threw at him early on.
Here, the Browns line up a defensive lineman over Moses, but have him stunting inside. They follow that up with a linebacker blitzing from the second level.
Moses initially drifts inside with the stunting defensive lineman before he notices the linebacker. Cleveland doesn’t execute the stunt particularly well, giving Moses a chance to reset himself for the blitzing linebacker.
Moses is slightly over-balanced in the first frame of that picture, indicating he lunged at the blitzer a little bit, allowing an old habit to creep back into his game. But he then managed to make the necessary adjustment, getting his feet further apart for the wider base. After doing so, Moses becomes fully in control of the block.
It’ll be interesting to see how Moses progresses as training camp and the preseason moves forward. If he can maintain his improved technique while continuing to make adjustments, then his emergence could be a major plus for the Redskins’ offensive line.
Scherff looked comfortable and settled at guard already, despite having only recently transitioned from tackle. Playing at guard allows him to hide potential weaknesses in pass protection while enabling him to have a big impact in the running game.
One of the Redskins’ first run plays of the game was a zone stretch play to the left. With Washington using their base (21) personnel, Cleveland brings a safety into the box as an eighth run defender. As the back-side guard, Scherff has to work up to the second level and cut off the safety.
Scherff has no troubles working up to the second level, something last year’s starter Chris Chester struggled with.
Scherff’s presence is enough for the safety to back away from the play. The safety has no desire to engage with Scherff, who effectively manages to block the safety without ever needing to make contact with him.
Later in the quarter, Scherff was given a bigger test.
This time, the Redskins run a stretch play to the right. Scherff once again has to work to the second level and take on a linebacker.
Scherff is the only Redskins offensive lineman engaged in a block beyond the line of scrimmage. His technique is perfect, with his pad level low, his hips square to his target and his hands inside on the defender’s chest. That allows Scherff to begin to drive the linebacker back and give the running back a clear lane.
Scherff continues to drive the linebacker back, clearing out a lane for the running back to follow behind him. Unfortunately, the rest of the blocks aren’t as strong as Scherff’s and the gain is minimal.
Scherff will also have to face bigger defensive linemen as a guard than he would have as a tackle. But he didn’t appear fazed by that in the slightest.
Gruden would have been happy to see the Redskins get a fourth-and-one situation to practice. The Browns stack the defensive line to try and stop the run. Gruden gives the young right side of the offensive line a test by running to their side. Scherff faces a fellow rookie, defensive tackle Xavier Cooper.
Scherff initially surrenders leverage. He gets too upright, allowing Cooper to get under his pad level and begin to drive him back.
But after being pushed back, Scherff manages to set an anchor and adjust. He stops the rush from Cooper and begins to win back leverage.
By the time the back approaches the line of scrimmage, Scherff gains control of the block and seals Cooper off inside. Things weren’t perfectly blocked on the edge, but Alfred Morris did a nice job of bouncing his run outside and picking up the first down.
Washington found that Chester was often driven back behind the line of scrimmage on stretch plays and couldn’t recover. But Scherff showed here that even if he makes a mistake, he can recover and end up saving the block.
In pass protection, my concern with Scherff was his feet and being vulnerable on the edge. But after working with offensive line coach Bill Callahan and switching inside to guard, Scherff has been able to work on those weaknesses and help mask them.
This time, Scherff faces off against 11-year veteran defensive tackle Randy Starks.
Initially, Scherff loses the hand battle with Starks, who works to the outside. From this position, many guards would make desperate attempts to get their hands back on the defender, opening themselves up in the process. But Scherff stays calm.
Instead of opening himself up and giving Starks a lane to the quarterback, Scherff takes a step across Starks to cut him off. He doesn’t worry so much about getting his hands back on Starks, instead focusing on closing the gap on the outside with as much of his body as possible. Scherff uses his shoulder to push Starks further outside and then gets his knee inside of Starks, closing off the rushing lane.
Despite initially losing the block, Scherff managed to maintain composure and recover. He maintained the block long enough for quarterback Robert Griffin III to make his read and then scramble up the middle on his way to a first down. Had Scherff been at tackle, he wouldn’t have had the small gap on the outside to close off. But at guard, he has a bit more help, allowing him to have a bigger impact on the Redskins’ offense.
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Re: Scherff playing OG?
emoses14 wrote:This is very long and also behind WaPo's paywall, so I've (probably wrongly) cut and pasted it for everyone's pleasure below. There are pictures that go with each blurb about Moses and Scherff, but I'm not copying all of those, too. If you're so inclined I found the narrative plus pictures to be very helpful.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... s_redskins
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Re: Scherff playing OG?
It has less to do with Scheriff's inability to play RT and more to do with pairings and overall strength of the line.
Scheriff + Moses > Scherif + Long
Long is the weakest chain in the link and it'd be easier for Scherif to slide inside, as Moses has the prototypical body for tackle and more experience. Jonathon Ogden (HOF) started off at LG before kicking out to LT... It's not the end of the world, don't let the pundits mislead you.
Scheriff + Moses > Scherif + Long
Long is the weakest chain in the link and it'd be easier for Scherif to slide inside, as Moses has the prototypical body for tackle and more experience. Jonathon Ogden (HOF) started off at LG before kicking out to LT... It's not the end of the world, don't let the pundits mislead you.
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:It has less to do with Scheriff's inability to play RT and more to do with pairings and overall strength of the line.
Scheriff + Moses > Scherif + Long
Long is the weakest chain in the link and it'd be easier for Scherif to slide inside, as Moses has the prototypical body for tackle and more experience. Jonathon Ogden (HOF) started off at LG before kicking out to LT... It's not the end of the world, don't let the pundits mislead you.
Yeah, pretty much this.
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jonathon Ogden (HOF) started off at LG before kicking out to LT... It's not the end of the world, don't let the pundits mislead you.
Huh, I didn't know that.
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Deadskins wrote:emoses14 wrote:This is very long and also behind WaPo's paywall, so I've (probably wrongly) cut and pasted it for everyone's pleasure below. There are pictures that go with each blurb about Moses and Scherff, but I'm not copying all of those, too. If you're so inclined I found the narrative plus pictures to be very helpful.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... s_redskins
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Re: Scherff playing OG?
I just don't get how anybody sees this as a negative. The story here isn't that they slid Scherff over to RG. The story is that Morgan Moses, the guy we drafted in the third round who had lis franc surgery last year looks ready to start at RT.
By all accounts, the right side of that line looks BIG, athletic and young. Obviously going to take some time for them to really come toghether, but we could finally start to see the offensive line we've all been hoping for.
By all accounts, the right side of that line looks BIG, athletic and young. Obviously going to take some time for them to really come toghether, but we could finally start to see the offensive line we've all been hoping for.
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Re: Scherff playing OG?
riggofan wrote:I just don't get how anybody sees this as a negative. The story here isn't that they slid Scherff over to RG. The story is that Morgan Moses, the guy we drafted in the third round who had lis franc surgery last year looks ready to start at RT.
By all accounts, the right side of that line looks BIG, athletic and young. Obviously going to take some time for them to really come toghether, but we could finally start to see the offensive line we've all been hoping for.
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Re: Scherff playing OG?
riggofan wrote:I just don't get how anybody sees this as a negative. The story here isn't that they slid Scherff over to RG. The story is that Morgan Moses, the guy we drafted in the third round who had lis franc surgery last year looks ready to start at RT.
By all accounts, the right side of that line looks BIG, athletic and young. Obviously going to take some time for them to really come toghether, but we could finally start to see the offensive line we've all been hoping for.
I don't think the majority of the fans see this as a negative. Just curious as to why Scherff was tagged as being drafted as a tackle and being developed as a tackle (according to SM), to then see him playing RG.
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StorminMormon86 wrote:riggofan wrote:I just don't get how anybody sees this as a negative. The story here isn't that they slid Scherff over to RG. The story is that Morgan Moses, the guy we drafted in the third round who had lis franc surgery last year looks ready to start at RT.
By all accounts, the right side of that line looks BIG, athletic and young. Obviously going to take some time for them to really come toghether, but we could finally start to see the offensive line we've all been hoping for.
I don't think the majority of the fans see this as a negative. Just curious as to why Scherff was tagged as being drafted as a tackle and being developed as a tackle (according to SM), to then see him playing RG.
Doesn't seem like any big mystery. Nobody was counting on Morgan Moses back in April, much less penciling him in at the starting RT job. It seems pretty likely that Scherff would be playing RT if Moses had not surprised everyone.
We have two guys capable of starting at RT. I think this is one of those "nice problems to have".
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Re: Scherff playing OG?
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Doesn't seem like any big mystery. Nobody was counting on Morgan Moses back in April, much less penciling him in at the starting RT job. It seems pretty likely that Scherff would be playing RT if Moses had not surprised everyone.
We have two guys capable of starting at RT. I think this is one of those "nice problems to have".
Wouldn't it then be a mystery? If no one knew Moses was going to be healthy and playing well by preseason and judging him based on his atrocious play last year, I find this as a surprise being that I haven't been to practices or heard about Moses' resurgence.
My question was purely out of curiousity after watching the preseason game.
That being said, having 2 starter-quality RTs is a GREAT probem to have.
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markshark84 wrote:Wouldn't it then be a mystery? If no one knew Moses was going to be healthy and playing well by preseason and judging him based on his atrocious play last year, I find this as a surprise being that I haven't been to practices or heard about Moses' resurgence.
That sounds more like a surprise than a mystery doesn't it?

markshark84 wrote:My question was purely out of curiousity after watching the preseason game.
I wasn't taking a dig at you man, sorry if it came across that way. I just meant that it didn't seem to be any big mystery why they were touting Scherff as a RT when he was drafted. I think they were definitely planning to play him at RT. Moses' unexpected performance opened up some other possibilities.
markshark84 wrote:That being said, having 2 starter-quality RTs is a GREAT probem to have.
That's for sure.
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riggofan wrote:markshark84 wrote:Wouldn't it then be a mystery? If no one knew Moses was going to be healthy and playing well by preseason and judging him based on his atrocious play last year, I find this as a surprise being that I haven't been to practices or heard about Moses' resurgence.
That sounds more like a surprise than a mystery doesn't it?
Agree, but it was a mystery to me when I was watching the game as to why Moses was starting and Scheff was at OG.
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riggofan wrote:I just don't get how anybody sees this as a negative. The story here isn't that they slid Scherff over to RG. The story is that Morgan Moses, the guy we drafted in the third round who had lis franc surgery last year looks ready to start at RT.
By all accounts, the right side of that line looks BIG, athletic and young. Obviously going to take some time for them to really come toghether, but we could finally start to see the offensive line we've all been hoping for.
This, because I prefer to look at the glass half full. All last year we were bemoaning how awful the O-line was, now we have two potential studs holding down one side of it.
If Wash has another pro bowler to pair with T. Williams, up front that can only help the, overall, offens.
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Huh, I didn't know that.
A friend of mine (Ravens fan) dropped that on me, while discussing this very topic.
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Deadskins wrote:emoses14 wrote:This is very long and also behind WaPo's paywall, so I've (probably wrongly) cut and pasted it for everyone's pleasure below. There are pictures that go with each blurb about Moses and Scherff, but I'm not copying all of those, too. If you're so inclined I found the narrative plus pictures to be very helpful.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... s_redskins
Is there an echo in here? Look 5 posts up.
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Moses’s big problem in his rookie season was bending from the waist, rather than the knee.

This kind of technique is exactly what coaches hate to see. Offensive linemen who bend from the waist tend to lunge at defenders and can easily be caught off balance. Aldon Smith took full advantage of that last year.

Moses lunges at Smith, who gets his hands inside and pulls Moses off balance. That allows Smith to get past Moses extremely quickly.
But what we saw Thursday night from Moses was much improved.

On an obvious pass play on third down, the Browns align their pass rusher very wide to give him a better angle against Moses.

But Moses has no troubles getting across to cut off the rusher. More importantly, he stays patient, allowing the rusher to come to him instead of lunging towards the rusher. Notice how wide his base is. By spreading his feet further apart, Moses is able to play lower, something he struggled with previously. This adjustment stops Moses from waist-bending and keeps him better balanced.
Another problem Moses, and indeed the rest of the Redskins’ offensive line, had last season was picking up stunts. Moses coped well with one that the Browns threw at him early on.

Here, the Browns line up a defensive lineman over Moses, but have him stunting inside. They follow that up with a linebacker blitzing from the second level.

Moses initially drifts inside with the stunting defensive lineman before he notices the linebacker. Cleveland doesn’t execute the stunt particularly well, giving Moses a chance to reset himself for the blitzing linebacker.

Moses is slightly over-balanced in the first frame of that picture, indicating he lunged at the blitzer a little bit, allowing an old habit to creep back into his game. But he then managed to make the necessary adjustment, getting his feet further apart for the wider base. After doing so, Moses becomes fully in control of the block.
Scherff looked comfortable and settled at guard already, despite having only recently transitioned from tackle. Playing at guard allows him to hide potential weaknesses in pass protection while enabling him to have a big impact in the running game.

One of the Redskins’ first run plays of the game was a zone stretch play to the left. With Washington using their base (21) personnel, Cleveland brings a safety into the box as an eighth run defender. As the back-side guard, Scherff has to work up to the second level and cut off the safety.

Scherff has no troubles working up to the second level, something last year’s starter Chris Chester struggled with.

Scherff’s presence is enough for the safety to back away from the play. The safety has no desire to engage with Scherff, who effectively manages to block the safety without ever needing to make contact with him.
Later in the quarter, Scherff was given a bigger test.

This time, the Redskins run a stretch play to the right. Scherff once again has to work to the second level and take on a linebacker.

Scherff is the only Redskins offensive lineman engaged in a block beyond the line of scrimmage. His technique is perfect, with his pad level low, his hips square to his target and his hands inside on the defender’s chest. That allows Scherff to begin to drive the linebacker back and give the running back a clear lane.

Scherff continues to drive the linebacker back, clearing out a lane for the running back to follow behind him. Unfortunately, the rest of the blocks aren’t as strong as Scherff’s and the gain is minimal.
Scherff will also have to face bigger defensive linemen as a guard than he would have as a tackle. But he didn’t appear fazed by that in the slightest.

Gruden would have been happy to see the Redskins get a fourth-and-one situation to practice. The Browns stack the defensive line to try and stop the run. Gruden gives the young right side of the offensive line a test by running to their side. Scherff faces a fellow rookie, defensive tackle Xavier Cooper.

Scherff initially surrenders leverage. He gets too upright, allowing Cooper to get under his pad level and begin to drive him back.

But after being pushed back, Scherff manages to set an anchor and adjust. He stops the rush from Cooper and begins to win back leverage.

By the time the back approaches the line of scrimmage, Scherff gains control of the block and seals Cooper off inside.
In pass protection, my concern with Scherff was his feet and being vulnerable on the edge. But after working with offensive line coach Bill Callahan and switching inside to guard, Scherff has been able to work on those weaknesses and help mask them.

This time, Scherff faces off against 11-year veteran defensive tackle Randy Starks.

Initially, Scherff loses the hand battle with Starks, who works to the outside. From this position, many guards would make desperate attempts to get their hands back on the defender, opening themselves up in the process. But Scherff stays calm.

Instead of opening himself up and giving Starks a lane to the quarterback, Scherff takes a step across Starks to cut him off. He doesn’t worry so much about getting his hands back on Starks, instead focusing on closing the gap on the outside with as much of his body as possible. Scherff uses his shoulder to push Starks further outside and then gets his knee inside of Starks, closing off the rushing lane.
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Re: Scherff playing OG?
Bishop Hammer wrote:riggofan wrote:I just don't get how anybody sees this as a negative. The story here isn't that they slid Scherff over to RG. The story is that Morgan Moses, the guy we drafted in the third round who had lis franc surgery last year looks ready to start at RT.
By all accounts, the right side of that line looks BIG, athletic and young. Obviously going to take some time for them to really come toghether, but we could finally start to see the offensive line we've all been hoping for.
This, because I prefer to look at the glass half full. All last year we were bemoaning how awful the O-line was, now we have two potential studs holding down one side of it.
Right on. Btw I freely admit that I'm choosing to buy into the company line on this one. It could be that they put Scherff out there and decided that he wasn't ready or they weren't prepared to start a rookie RT. Either way, I just don't care how they line up on the right. If those two guys keep the QB upright and we're breaking off five yards+ every time we run the ball that way, that's all I care about.
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Re: Scherff playing OG?
langleyparkjoe wrote:Deadskins wrote:emoses14 wrote:This is very long and also behind WaPo's paywall, so I've (probably wrongly) cut and pasted it for everyone's pleasure below. There are pictures that go with each blurb about Moses and Scherff, but I'm not copying all of those, too. If you're so inclined I found the narrative plus pictures to be very helpful.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... s_redskins
Is there an echo in here? Look 5 posts up.
No, no echo at all.
Moses’s big problem in his rookie season was bending from the waist, rather than the knee.
This kind of technique is exactly what coaches hate to see. Offensive linemen who bend from the waist tend to lunge at defenders and can easily be caught off balance. Aldon Smith took full advantage of that last year.
Moses lunges at Smith, who gets his hands inside and pulls Moses off balance. That allows Smith to get past Moses extremely quickly.
But what we saw Thursday night from Moses was much improved.
On an obvious pass play on third down, the Browns align their pass rusher very wide to give him a better angle against Moses.
But Moses has no troubles getting across to cut off the rusher. More importantly, he stays patient, allowing the rusher to come to him instead of lunging towards the rusher. Notice how wide his base is. By spreading his feet further apart, Moses is able to play lower, something he struggled with previously. This adjustment stops Moses from waist-bending and keeps him better balanced.
Another problem Moses, and indeed the rest of the Redskins’ offensive line, had last season was picking up stunts. Moses coped well with one that the Browns threw at him early on.
Here, the Browns line up a defensive lineman over Moses, but have him stunting inside. They follow that up with a linebacker blitzing from the second level.
Moses initially drifts inside with the stunting defensive lineman before he notices the linebacker. Cleveland doesn’t execute the stunt particularly well, giving Moses a chance to reset himself for the blitzing linebacker.
Moses is slightly over-balanced in the first frame of that picture, indicating he lunged at the blitzer a little bit, allowing an old habit to creep back into his game. But he then managed to make the necessary adjustment, getting his feet further apart for the wider base. After doing so, Moses becomes fully in control of the block.
Scherff looked comfortable and settled at guard already, despite having only recently transitioned from tackle. Playing at guard allows him to hide potential weaknesses in pass protection while enabling him to have a big impact in the running game.
One of the Redskins’ first run plays of the game was a zone stretch play to the left. With Washington using their base (21) personnel, Cleveland brings a safety into the box as an eighth run defender. As the back-side guard, Scherff has to work up to the second level and cut off the safety.
Scherff has no troubles working up to the second level, something last year’s starter Chris Chester struggled with.
Scherff’s presence is enough for the safety to back away from the play. The safety has no desire to engage with Scherff, who effectively manages to block the safety without ever needing to make contact with him.
Later in the quarter, Scherff was given a bigger test.
This time, the Redskins run a stretch play to the right. Scherff once again has to work to the second level and take on a linebacker.
Scherff is the only Redskins offensive lineman engaged in a block beyond the line of scrimmage. His technique is perfect, with his pad level low, his hips square to his target and his hands inside on the defender’s chest. That allows Scherff to begin to drive the linebacker back and give the running back a clear lane.
Scherff continues to drive the linebacker back, clearing out a lane for the running back to follow behind him. Unfortunately, the rest of the blocks aren’t as strong as Scherff’s and the gain is minimal.
Scherff will also have to face bigger defensive linemen as a guard than he would have as a tackle. But he didn’t appear fazed by that in the slightest.
Gruden would have been happy to see the Redskins get a fourth-and-one situation to practice. The Browns stack the defensive line to try and stop the run. Gruden gives the young right side of the offensive line a test by running to their side. Scherff faces a fellow rookie, defensive tackle Xavier Cooper.
Scherff initially surrenders leverage. He gets too upright, allowing Cooper to get under his pad level and begin to drive him back.
But after being pushed back, Scherff manages to set an anchor and adjust. He stops the rush from Cooper and begins to win back leverage.
By the time the back approaches the line of scrimmage, Scherff gains control of the block and seals Cooper off inside.
In pass protection, my concern with Scherff was his feet and being vulnerable on the edge. But after working with offensive line coach Bill Callahan and switching inside to guard, Scherff has been able to work on those weaknesses and help mask them.
This time, Scherff faces off against 11-year veteran defensive tackle Randy Starks.
Initially, Scherff loses the hand battle with Starks, who works to the outside. From this position, many guards would make desperate attempts to get their hands back on the defender, opening themselves up in the process. But Scherff stays calm.
Instead of opening himself up and giving Starks a lane to the quarterback, Scherff takes a step across Starks to cut him off. He doesn’t worry so much about getting his hands back on Starks, instead focusing on closing the gap on the outside with as much of his body as possible. Scherff uses his shoulder to push Starks further outside and then gets his knee inside of Starks, closing off the rushing lane.
Wow, that must have taken awhile.

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