This is an ESPN insider article so I thought I'd share the Redskins' piece for you. Brutal. Can I just say, as a Skins fan, I would LOVE to see Griffin come out this year and feed everyone a huge spoonful of STFU. The coverage of the team is usually pretty tough, but people have been absolutely piling on Griffin. I don't have a huge amount of optimism that this will happen, but I can't imagine much sweeter at this this point.
One head coach wound up being the easiest grader overall -- and it wasn't even close -- placing 30 of the 32 quarterbacks in the top two tiers. The lone exceptions? Matt Cassel (Tier 3) and Griffin (Tier 4), which pretty much sums up where people around the league see Griffin at this stage of his career.
"Five, and there's no coming back," one offensive coach said. "He is done. The reason why is, the injury slowed his legs, and his ego will not allow him to hit rock bottom and actually grind his way back up the right way."
Multiple voters hit on that theme.
"To get better in this league, you have to have a degree of humility," a personnel director said. "Griffin sees himself like Peyton, in that light. When he looks in the mirror, he is seeing things that everybody else is not seeing. That is why I was surprised when they gave him the fifth-year [option] and said it was an easy decision."
Griffin did receive a lone second-tier vote from a GM who took a longer-range view.
"I know how hard it is for a quarterback to go into a system for the first time," he said. "I go back to Brett Favre. He was a 1, but he goes to the Jets and he was probably a 2 or a 3. Then he went to a familiar system in Minnesota and was a 1 again. With Griffin, I'm taking into account the new offense, the new personality at head coach, coming off an injury. He showed his rookie year that he could be a 1. He is a young guy. I'm going to give him the benefit because of that."
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our season is clearly on his shoulders .... scary thought imo .... i don't see him lasting an entire season.will he ever learn to get down ... throw the ball away not even going to the reading of a defense .... in this offense its having faith uour wideout will be there even if you dont see it ... he lacks trust in himself and others
Could be right. I'm not intending to start another thread about will he or won't he. I just think that guy has been completely bashed in the media for the past six months or more. I can't tell you how much I would love to see RGIII come out this year and just be respectable. I'm really pulling for him.
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riggofan wrote:Could be right. I'm not intending to start another thread about will he or won't he. I just think that guy has been completely bashed in the media for the past six months or more. I can't tell you how much I would love to see RGIII come out this year and just be respectable. I'm really pulling for him.
i agree with you 100% i just hope he plays well enough so people get off him ..... everyone needs to understand he will never get that rookie season form back i for one just want that position to stop being the downfall of our team.
redskinz4ever wrote:i agree with you 100% i just hope he plays well enough so people get off him ..... everyone needs to understand he will never get that rookie season form back i for one just want that position to stop being the downfall of our team.
No doubt. I think its the rookie year thing that just boggles my mind. He was SO good that year and such a difference maker. I understand that there were a lot of things that went into his success that year, but its still so hard to imagine that he could fall from being such a good player to being ranked one of the worst QBs in the league. Blows my mind.
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redskinz4ever wrote:our season is clearly on his shoulders .... scary thought imo .... i don't see him lasting an entire season.will he ever learn to get down ... throw the ball away not even going to the reading of a defense .... in this offense its having faith uour wideout will be there even if you dont see it ... he lacks trust in himself and others
realistically, this season is just a step in the right direction - we just need to see improvement
it would be a bonus if Griffin shows that he can play QB well this season but it's more important for this franchise that he shows that he will be good in 2016 and beyond because this season is just a building season towards becoming a playoff contender in 2017
It's very important IMO that Griffin (and Gruden) show improvement from what we saw last season and that they deserve to be a part of the franchise as it builds itself back into being a competitive force - otherwise, one or both will not be here in 2016
P A T I E N C E - it's going to take time
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
there is a lot of piling on here and that's part of the tall poppy syndrome - people just love to bring other people down
we don't know for sure what happened or more importantly why - we do know what we saw and we just have to hope that these guys can help this kid play to his potential and show a lot of these detractors just how misguided they really are
no matter what, we have time to get a decent QB under center and suited to the players around him before the 2017 season
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
riggofan wrote:This is an ESPN insider article so I thought I'd share the Redskins' piece for you. Brutal. Can I just say, as a Skins fan, I would LOVE to see Griffin come out this year and feed everyone a huge spoonful of STFU. The coverage of the team is usually pretty tough, but people have been absolutely piling on Griffin. I don't have a huge amount of optimism that this will happen, but I can't imagine much sweeter at this this point.
No one can deny that he's getting the opportunity to do it. Some people are criticizing the Redskins for the patience/faith they are showing in Griffin, but I think it's the best move for the franchise at the moment and the only way to know whether he can do it. If Griffin doesn't show significant improvement this year, with production to back it up, I'll be among those who say that it's time to part ways.
riggofan wrote:This is an ESPN insider article so I thought I'd share the Redskins' piece for you. Brutal. Can I just say, as a Skins fan, I would LOVE to see Griffin come out this year and feed everyone a huge spoonful of STFU. The coverage of the team is usually pretty tough, but people have been absolutely piling on Griffin. I don't have a huge amount of optimism that this will happen, but I can't imagine much sweeter at this this point.
No one can deny that he's getting the opportunity to do it. Some people are criticizing the Redskins for the patience/faith they are showing in Griffin, but I think it's the best move for the franchise at the moment and the only way to know whether he can do it. If Griffin doesn't show significant improvement this year, with production to back it up, I'll be among those who say that it's time to part ways.
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SkinsJock wrote:there is a lot of piling on here and that's part of the tall poppy syndrome - people just love to bring other people down
we don't know for sure what happened or more importantly why - we do know what we saw and we just have to hope that these guys can help this kid play to his potential and show a lot of these detractors just how misguided they really are
no matter what, we have time to get a decent QB under center and suited to the players around him before the 2017 season
agree 100% i like rg3 i really do its tough being behind the 8 ball his entire career after that rookie season.i want him to play well enough so people get off him
riggofan wrote:This is an ESPN insider article so I thought I'd share the Redskins' piece for you. Brutal. Can I just say, as a Skins fan, I would LOVE to see Griffin come out this year and feed everyone a huge spoonful of STFU. The coverage of the team is usually pretty tough, but people have been absolutely piling on Griffin. I don't have a huge amount of optimism that this will happen, but I can't imagine much sweeter at this this point.
No one can deny that he's getting the opportunity to do it. Some people are criticizing the Redskins for the patience/faith they are showing in Griffin, but I think it's the best move for the franchise at the moment and the only way to know whether he can do it. If Griffin doesn't show significant improvement this year, with production to back it up, I'll be among those who say that it's time to part ways.
+1
the key thing is, what do we have to lose by giving Griffin everything he needs to show that he can be a really good QB in the future
we don't need to let a possibly good NFL QB go ... AT THIS TIME
I have no doubt that the NFL guys in charge here will make the call on whether RG3 can help this franchise in the years to come
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
First, being ranked at the bottom seems like a realistic grade for Griffin. Fair or unfair as it might be I think only 2013 and 2014 are relevant to Griffin's future as an NFL quarterback. His 2012 option play is not sustainable even if he is quick enough to run like that now, it appears he has far less lateral quickness than prior to his injury. So I think his attempt to execute in the backfield in 2013 and 2014 are his meaningful career data points.
In 2013 he was coming off the major injury and had a poor to mediocre year before finally being benched. I think he looked even worse in 2014 trying to run Gruden's offense last season before getting injured again. I think he played decently 1 game after he returned but overall his performance was the worse of the three quarterbacks, none of them distinguished themselves.
Griffin was gifted the starting role in 2012, 2013, 2014 and again this year and in each of these season he was the QB that the Skins invested the starters reps to prepare him to start. The other two share the backup reps and compete for the backup role. Despite the much greater time invested in preparing him Griffin is noticeably slower processing the field than the other two and I expect Griffin to be inept again in 2015 because I don't think he processes fast enough to play QB in an NFL offense. I hope I am wrong and he vindicates Dan Snyder's continuing commitment to him with improved play. Griffin doesn't have to set the world on fire in 2015 if he just improved to the lower bounds of mediocre performance levels it would be encouraging for me, as of now he is putrid and deserves a bottom of the barrell rating.
this sort of rating at this time is meaningless - but I agree that based on what Griffin has done the past 2 seasons he does not deserve much of anything as far as a QB rating is concerned ...
all that matters is how he handles the coaching and how he handles his preparation to play this season
there's no where for Griffin to go but up - hopefully he shows that soon
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Some NFL coaches say Robert Griffin is 'done' An anonymous offensive coach told ESPN's Mike Sando that Robert Griffin III is "done and there's no coming back." "The injury slowed his legs, and his ego will not allow him to hit rock bottom and actually grind his way back up the right way," the coach continued. In a poll of 35 coaches and personnel executives, the vast majority felt this way. "To get better in this league, you have to have a degree of humility," a personnel director said. RGIII was ranked as the league's 28th-best quarterback in the poll, finishing ahead of only Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer, Matt Cassel and Geno Smith.
It is a conspiracy!! Shut down the Skins. Shut down the name Redskins. Rag and rag on RG3.
I say Danny, if you are sick and tired of it, then fight them all the way to court. I say Bob, if you are sick and tired of it..................then prove it on the field.
At least our D has been upgraded. I'm more excited about our D than our O.....to be honest.
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tribeofjudah wrote:At least our D has been upgraded. I'm more excited about our D than our O.....to be honest.
I'm still nervous/uncertain about the D. That SI writer who trashed Griffin so badly recently said this today:
They're going to run a 3-4 and you at least need guys who can stalemate up front. Hatcher is a unique player because he's a 3-4 guy who can get penetration. I would probably put ahead of him -- this defense is not very good. (The Redskins) are going to have to outscore teams to win a lot of games.
If the defense isn't significantly upgraded, its definitely significantly different from last year. So it doesn't seem fair to just declare them "not very good" at this point. My feeling is that the defense is a huge unknown. They should be better than last year, but how much better remains to be seen.
He does go on to say:
Defensively, I'm curious to see what (defensive coordinator) Joe Barry does with them. I liked (Jim) Haslett, but the more I thought about it last year, the more I think the defense got over-stressed by the scheme, putting (players) in position that were just too much to ask given the talent that they had.
Barry comes from San Diego. Their scheme, the way they used the 3-4, their changes in coverages, they did a very good job of minimizing deficiencies and putting guys in favorable positions. He was a good coordinator for them. I think the defense will improve a little bit. If the defense and the QB improve 15 percent, then this is probably a 7-9 type of team.
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StorminMormon86 wrote:Can anyone realistically fault the people polled with where they ranked him?
I don't hear much complaint . . . I think pretty much everyone agrees that Griffin has a lot of work to do to prove he still belongs as a starter in this league. The remaining disagreement seems to be over how much potential there is for him to make it happen, which really has nothing to do with this ranking.
StorminMormon86 wrote:Can anyone realistically fault the people polled with where they ranked him?
Absolutely. He's ranked behind Winston and Mariota, neither of whom has ever played a snap in the NFL and freaking Blake Bortles. So yeah, I think there is room to "realistically" complain.
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StorminMormon86 wrote:Can anyone realistically fault the people polled with where they ranked him?
Absolutely. He's ranked behind Winston and Mariota, neither of whom has ever played a snap in the NFL and freaking Blake Bortles. So yeah, I think there is room to "realistically" complain.
The only one that I don't see being higher than Griffin at this point is Geno Smith. Bortles was a rookie last year, and he's supposedly a lot more athletic than people give him credit for.
StorminMormon86 wrote:The only one that I don't see being higher than Griffin at this point is Geno Smith. Bortles was a rookie last year, and he's supposedly a lot more athletic than people give him credit for.
I don't think your opinion is crazy, but again I think there is a realistic argument that its insane to rank Winston or Mariota higher than Griffin right now considering that we haven't seen either take a snap in a professional football game. There is absolutely nothing to back that up other than just eyeball tests and gut feelings.
Guess we'll see. I know you don't have a lot of faith in Griffin, and I'm probably in that camp with you at this point. But I think there is also a lot of piling on him going on too, and I doubt he is honestly one of the worst two starting QBs in the league.
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this franchise is made up of a lot of coaches and players that have a lot to do to earn any respect from the media, other players and fans
Griffin is just 1 player - does anyone really care where a player or any part of this franchise is rated in July
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
riggofan wrote:I don't think your opinion is crazy, but again I think there is a realistic argument that its insane to rank Winston or Mariota higher than Griffin right now considering that we haven't seen either take a snap in a professional football game. There is absolutely nothing to back that up other than just eyeball tests and gut feelings.
Guess we'll see. I know you don't have a lot of faith in Griffin, and I'm probably in that camp with you at this point. But I think there is also a lot of piling on him going on too, and I doubt he is honestly one of the worst two starting QBs in the league.
Some of the stuff seems to be a bit much (the remark about what he sees when he looks in the mirror), but I'd still say based off of the prior 2 seasons he is in that lower tier.
there is a perception that Griffin is Danny's 'toy' and as such he's got a lot to prove
it's a fact that he has not shown much of anything as a player or a leader the past 2 seasons
he's got to step up big time or he will not be here
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
StorminMormon86 wrote:Some of the stuff seems to be a bit much (the remark about what he sees when he looks in the mirror), but I'd still say based off of the prior 2 seasons he is in that lower tier.
Definitely agree.
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SkinsJock wrote:Griffin is just 1 player - does anyone really care where a player or any part of this franchise is rated in July
Absolutely not, SJ. Its just July, so this is what we've got to discuss!
Not much longer though!!!
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