Griffin stops just short of calling Shanny the liar he is

[emoses14]

A fan asked of Griffin the following:

Is it true you went to Coach [Mike] Shanahan after your first year and requested the offense be changed?

To refresh everyone's memory:

In a radio interview in February on ESPN 980 [that some of us took as the Gospel according to Mike], Shanahan said that Griffin met with him after his rookie season and demanded changes to the playbook and even went so far as to label some plays as "acceptable" and "unacceptable."

You'll recall that is the point in that interview where Mike surmised that Dan Snyder was meddling with Griffin, and giving him more power than a player should have, because (the implication was) Griffin would never come up with big words like 'unacceptable' and that the word is a unique one used only by Dan Snyder.

Griffin's response:

"Just like any coach-quarterback combination, we've had healthy conversations about everything," Griffin said. "...There was never a wholesale 'this is what we're going to run, this is what we're not going to run.'"

Nice to see the truth finally come out.

Whole post on csn: http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/rg3-had-open-discussion-shanahan-over-playbook

[SkinsJock]

I spent some time with OT Walt Rock in the late 70s - he told me that almost all of the stuff that was reported was completely twisted and that was back in the George Allen era - I can only imagine what is really happening when you have 2 liars like Mike Shanahan and Dan Snyder

GUARANTEED - what really happened between the Shanahans and Griffin is not even close to what was 'reported' - GUARANTEED

[mastdark81]

I think the truth is a lil bit of both. RG3 probably came in the room and wanted to take out plays but not the entire READ OPTION. If you look at the 2012 Cincy game (2nd half)...Kyle started to call triple options (w. Brandon Banks in backfield). This was really exposing Rg3 to injury because it was pretty much an option college style where he had to take a hit. Also there was a play called where Rg3 went out as WR. Lastly there were also designed runs where he would run like a sweep like to the outside. In defense of Kyle and Mike these plays were working very well and I don't think they originally wanted to use them as much as they did...I just think they seen how RG3 was limited so much without them and a bad defense that they stuck to their guns even went farther in the development of the 50 series (read option) plays.

With that said, anyone that have a problem with RG3 saying he isn't going to run these type of plays anymore fresh after suffering a career ending type of injury and you wake up and the guys that were calling it were no where around or even bother to check up on you is crazy to me. Yeah he never got injured on a specific read option but the injuries drastically increased for the specific plays I referenced in the first paragraph. Ask yourself if your boss is instructing you to do things at your job that is high risk of your safety or the possibility of you being able to do your job in the future would you step to them to ask for compromise?

All was at fault for this but this brings me to the present situation. Jay Gruden MUST develop an offense around his starter RG3 that best suits his skills as he know. I don't want Jay to try to make RG3 into something he is not...Seahawks don't pound into Russell Wilson's head that he has to be able to get rid of the ball quickly and stand in the pocket, they embrace his skillsket. I don't want to hear no one saying that Rg3 no longer wants to run that type of offense because there is no PROOF that suggests so. Even Mike Shanahan on his interview with Kevin Sheehan stated Rg3 later came to him and wanted to run the read option more during the 2013 season.

On RG3's side, he must make plays. There are many qb's in the league that aren't quick 5 stop drop guys or pure Peyton Manning type passer but they make plays. RG3 have not made enough the last two years, and he even left a lot on the field his rookie year. The Redskins must embrace the qb they have and stop trying to change the guy into something he is not.

[yupchagee]

A fan asked of Griffin the following:

Is it true you went to Coach [Mike] Shanahan after your first year and requested the offense be changed?

To refresh everyone's memory:

In a radio interview in February on ESPN 980 [that some of us took as the Gospel according to Mike], Shanahan said that Griffin met with him after his rookie season and demanded changes to the playbook and even went so far as to label some plays as "acceptable" and "unacceptable."

You'll recall that is the point in that interview where Mike surmised that Dan Snyder was meddling with Griffin, and giving him more power than a player should have, because (the implication was) Griffin would never come up with big words like 'unacceptable' and that the word is a unique one used only by Dan Snyder.

Griffin's response:

"Just like any coach-quarterback combination, we've had healthy conversations about everything," Griffin said. "...There was never a wholesale 'this is what we're going to run, this is what we're not going to run.'"

Nice to see the truth finally come out.

Whole post on csn: http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/rg3-had-open-discussion-shanahan-over-playbook

1) Griff is a bright young man who certainly knows some big words.
2) A lot of people use the word "unacceptable".

[OldSchool]

After his injuries the Griffins, both father and son, spoke publicly of the need to change the offense and Griffin to be a thrower not a runner. The problem in 2103 and 2014 is Griffin wasn't able to process fast enough to be an NFL QB. His defenders offer a host of explanations rather than acknowledge the obvious Griffin hasn't been able to think fast enough for the field. Will see how it works out in 2015, I am expecting more of the same but would be pleased to see he's improved.

As for the veracity of the two men I think Griffin is delusional and Shanny is as honest as any man in Snyder's employ.

[SkinsJock]

WOW!

[riggofan]

His defenders offer a host of explanations rather than acknowledge the obvious Griffin hasn't been able to think fast enough for the field. Will see how it works out in 2015, I am expecting more of the same but would be pleased to see he's improved.

Come on, man. Can't think fast enough for the field? That's a possibility but its certainly not a fact that any "defenders" of Griffin should be expected to acknowledge.

Personally I think there are plenty of explanations why RGIII has struggled the past two years. A serious ACL injury, learning to play from the pocket, a mediocre offensive line and a horrible defense are all legit factors. Those seem more likely reasons than just "he can't think fast enough".

Valid or not, btw, I have no idea if he'll be able to improve this year. It seems to me that jump from the mobile, spread offense QB to the pro style pocket passer is really tough to make. I'm more hopeful that they'll improve the team around RGIII and take some of the pressure off him.

[emoses14]

As for the veracity of the two men I think Griffin is delusional and Shanny is as honest as any man in Snyder's employ.

December 11, 2013: quote below is from Shanahan's own mouth

Also, I’m pretty sure that Shanahan also admitted that he normally is a bald-faced liar, but you should trust him here. When asked about his animated appearance: “It’s not really worked up. I’m trying to be as honest as I can, I don’t normally do that.” Believe me, now, people. This is all about football.

http://thebiglead.com/2013/12/11/mike-s ... y-do-that/

November 15, 2010:

Delivering the stunning news with a perky nonchalance, Kolber said that Shanahan has admitted “he’s not the kind of coach who’s going to come out and give the real reason why he benched his quarterback” during a post-game press conference.

But why is that? What strategic edge is gained by whipping out a flimsy excuse that no one believes? It makes Shanahan look foolish for saying the words, it destroys his credibility both inside and outside the locker room, and it fuels the kind of speculation as to motivation that transformed the benching into a debate about race.

The good news? Mike Shanahan unwittingly has taught a valuable lesson to his son, Kyle. Per Kolber, Kyle Shanahan said “he just wished his dad had been honest and come out and said, ‘We just didn’t think Donovan was playing very well.'”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... out-lying/

It's nice that you think Griffin is delusional and all, and that Shanahan is a paragon of virtue (admittedly by comparison to others in Snyder's employ, which what does that qualification even mean?), but you seem to be the only one in the camp of painting with that particular broad brush. Not that you should cow to the herd mentality of everyone else, but we do know one is a liar.

Speaking of the need to change the offense ain't really the same thing as demanding it as a puppet of Dan Snyder, is it? That's what Shanahan said to contort reality to make him the victim of big bad Snyder and an overreaching Griffin. Funny how none of the last 2 years and the character questions about Griffin existed in any shape, form or fashion when he was at Baylor under Heisman scrutiny. Weird.

[emoses14]

:shock: WOW!

I know, right?

[StorminMormon86]

I think both are embellishing details to make each other look worse.

[OldSchool]

Dan Snyder hands out 7 figure salaries and a number talented coaches and executives have had to play Synder's game, take the money and put I good face on what Dan decides to do. I don't remember any of them acknowledging Dan owned the football and he was actively managing the team? Can you remember anyone saying that while still in Dan's employ?

For a low or mid 7 figure job I'd be willing to be a lackey for a few years also and provide air cover for Snyder and his foibles and blunders. I am not faulting these men I am empathizing with them because there are a limited number of NFL spots and it is so much money.

[SkinsJock]

The issue with Snyder is that he has implied that the HC makes all the 'football decisions' and that is not the case PLUS he has constantly meddled with both the players and the way that the team has operated
Joe Gibbs thought he could 'work' with dumb and dumber but it just did not happen because of Dan Snyder's meddling

IF Dan Snyder let's these guys make all the football related decisions, we have a chance at improving this franchise and being a playoff contender in 2017

If Griffin does not clearly show improvement and that he will be a good NFL QB in the coming years, then he is gone

I do believe that Griffin has suffered by not being properly prepared to make the transition from college to the NFL - he may or may not be able to do that but I do think that if he shows that he just needs time, then these guys will know that and they should be allowed to make the call without any assistance from Dan Snyder

[yupchagee]

The issue with Snyder is that he has implied that the HC makes all the 'football decisions' and that is not the case PLUS he has constantly meddled with both the players and the way that the team has operated
Joe Gibbs thought he could 'work' with dumb and dumber but it just did not happen because of Dan Snyder's meddling

IF Dan Snyder let's these guys make all the football related decisions, we have a chance at improving this franchise and being a playoff contender in 2017

If Griffin does not clearly show improvement and that he will be a good NFL QB in the coming years, then he is gone

I do believe that Griffin has suffered by not being properly prepared to make the transition from college to the NFL - he may or may not be able to do that but I do think that if he shows that he just needs time, then these guys will know that and they should be allowed to make the call without any assistance from Dan Snyder

Given the salary he is scheduled to get in 2016, he has to be a lot more than "good".

[SkinsJock]

one step at a time - all he has to do is show that he is the best option at QB - on this roster - at this time

I think if they can just get him to focus on becoming a good NFL QB he will quickly prove that he has not been properly coached ...



I also think that the determination of his potential to 'succeed' will be made fairly quickly so that everyone can move on

and

there's no doubt in my mind that Scott and Jay understand the importance of that decision

[fredp45]

While some of RGIII's issues are his fault, many others are not:

1) Injuries have hurt his development, the first injury was really serious. I wonder if it didn't slow him down a step.
2) Not having a qb coach hurt his development. Gruden made a big error there. He had three young inexperienced qbs and NO qb coach? Dumb!
3) Changing head coaches hurt his development.
4) The team stunk...it had some nice weapons on offense but beyond that was horrible -- hence Scot replacing probably 20 guys this year, maybe 12-15 more next year. It stunk on defense, the right side of the OLine was bad, it stunk on ST's and NONE of that was RGIII's fault. When your defense can't stop anyone and you fall behind, it puts real pressure of an offense. The return team did nothing to improve field position.

Let's see how he does this year...

He'll be healthy
The Defense and ST's should be better
The right side of the Oline will be better
There is a qb's coach

[Deadskins]

Not having a qb coach hurt his development. Gruden made a big error there. He had three young inexperienced qbs and NO qb coach? Dumb!

Shanahan didn't have a QB coach either. I can't believe that we haven't had a QB coach for so long. Why would you not have a coach for the most important position on the field? This is the biggest reason why his transition to NFL, pocket QB has been so slow, IMO. You can't expect him to just teach himself. That's a recipe for failure.