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*edit* found it
http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsbl ... rade-value

Let's compare the numbers:

Bradford - 4 seasons - 58 percent passer - 11,065 yards - 59 touchdowns - 38 interceptions - 18 fumbles - 79.3 QBR
RG3 - 3 seasons - 64 percent passer - 8,097 yards - 40 touchdowns - 23 interceptions - 14 fumbles - 90.6 QBR
Where Bradford has missed two seasons with knee injuries, Griffin suffered one traumatic knee injury and a dislocated ankle. Both QBs can move, though Griffin is clearly the superior runner. In three seasons RG3 has gained nearly 1,500 rush yards to go with eight TDs (but also 18 fumbles). In four seasons, Bradford has hardly amassed 250 rush yards to go with two TDs and eight fumbles.

Ive been trying to find where I read this... but saw an article talking about how the Rams and Eagles were both offered a mid 1st round pick for Bradford.... then put Bradfords career stats next to RG3 (Roberts were better in almost every category) and posed the question... if Bradford is worth that, then wouldnt RG3 be worth atleast that?

So, if we were offered say a mid 1st round pick and say a 5th or 6th rounder, should we take it? Would we?

I would say we would be dumb not to. Odds are RG3 is on his way out. Either he plays bad, and we dont re-sign him. Or he plays good, he ends this year as a FA, and has the option of either accepting an extension from a team that has been a rollercoaster ride (us) or test the open market and either drive our price up, or go to the highest bidder, which wont be us.

So, why keep someone who will likely not be on the team next year and get nothing for him, when we could get a 1st round pick to get more pieces of the puzzle now, let Kirk or someone else take the reigns for a year, and find our long term solution next year (or even in the mid to late rounds this year) We could make out big between that, and hopefully trading down out of 5th.

the answer is YES and YES - if they can get a 1st round pick for Griffin or a 2nd round pick for Cousins they will make that trade in a heartbeat ... there's an awful lot of 'posturing' going on, as per usual, at this time

btw - IMO, the Eagles/Kelly are lying when they infer they were offered a first round pick for Bradford



I really don't think these guys have made up their minds about RG3 - we're going to build the franchise around these 2 QBs for now

the focus is on remaking the defense & the offensive line at this time & addressing the QB issue when we find out what we've got here




this franchise is not looking at how can we compete in the next season or 2 like we used to - we need to look further ahead than that

Id rather give him the shot to prove he is still the face of the franchise. . Ive seen an article where Bruce Allen has said NO ONE has called about Kirk Grossman..
So why trade away the guy you payed so much for? Idk im blinded with bias, ive seen him destroy and believe he will regain that winners edge that is an intangible hard to find. I believe in him, still. So for me its ride or die- make or break. We've already sold the farm lets see if we can harvest any benefits.
*on that note NO I dont believe anyone offered squat for double acl Bradford. And I definitely dont think anyone is calling to buy either of our qbs for a price that we would even consider (1st or 2 2nds)

^^ - I agree ...

they need to determine what they've got here in BOTH these QBs + they have a lot of other areas to address no matter who the QB is

In response to Chip lying...http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015 ... ck_fo.html

Fisher said he was offered a first rounder too, but he wanted Foles. So the reports are valid.

Now Cowboy I would be inclined to agree with you, but im looking at RGs angle in all this. Lets say he plays lights out this year and looks like his old self. Do you really think after all the drama with coaches and media him or his agent are really going to want to stay in Washington? Do you think 1 good year would be enough for us to pay him what it will take to keep him from even testing the market?

If im rg3, I allow myself to get tested in the FA market, with the teams in need of a QB, if I have a ridiculous year, I know a team will pay a lot for me, and I wont have to stay with a coach that rips me on tv, and start fresh with new team mates, and get away from the media QB controversy calling for my job every time I have a bad game.

So, even if he plays good, he wont be a Redskin next year, he will simply cost more than he is worth to us.

Prowl33 wrote:Fisher said he was offered a first rounder too, but he wanted Foles. So the reports are valid.

says who?? are you effing kidding me ...

Maybe it was Danny offering our 1st rounder...

SkinsJock wrote:

Prowl33 wrote:Fisher said he was offered a first rounder too, but he wanted Foles. So the reports are valid.

says who?? are you effing kidding me ...

Guess I find it hard to believe 2 head coaches with nothing to gain would lie about an unnamed team offering a mid 1st round pick for him.

Not like the Browns have the 17th pick and need a qb or anything like that...

Prowl33 wrote:In response to Chip lying...Fisher said he was offered a first rounder too, but he wanted Foles. So the reports are valid.

Ummm... No... (unless he was talking about his fantasy league).

I find it really hard to believe anybody would want Nick Foles rather than a first round pick. That feels like crazy talk.

riggofan wrote:I find it really hard to believe anybody would want Nick Foles rather than a first round pick. That feels like crazy talk.

I dont, the rams think they are a qb away from playoff contention, a 1st rounder this year wont get them that, and the 3rd qb in draft this year is a 3rd round talent.

Foles record is...

2012 1-5 he came in for an injured vick
2013 8-2 he took over for a benched vick
2014 6-2 went out with a broken collar bone

so after his rookie season he went 14-4, pretty impressive

Look at his td to turnover ratio..
46td to 17 int. 10 of those int's were in that rookie year.


Last 2 years he is one of the best qb's in the nfl. Collar bone is hardly a concern for future injuries. I would take foles in a heart beat... real question is why did philly want Bradford....

Prowl33 wrote:

riggofan wrote:I find it really hard to believe anybody would want Nick Foles rather than a first round pick. That feels like crazy talk.

I dont, the rams think they are a qb away from playoff contention, a 1st rounder this year wont get them that, and the 3rd qb in draft this year is a 3rd round talent.

That's a possibility sure, but there were way better options than that IMO. Trade Bradford for a first round pick and they could get two top notch starters in this draft. They could have brought in Josh McNown, Ryan Fitzgerald, Bryan Hoyer or even Kirk Cousins and improved their QB situation just about as much as they did bringing in Nick Foles.

I understand that the Browns are V concerned about their QB situation - I just don't see Bradford being worth it ...

that's just my opinion

riggofan wrote:

Prowl33 wrote:

riggofan wrote:I find it really hard to believe anybody would want Nick Foles rather than a first round pick. That feels like crazy talk.

I dont, the rams think they are a qb away from playoff contention, a 1st rounder this year wont get them that, and the 3rd qb in draft this year is a 3rd round talent.

That's a possibility sure, but there were way better options than that IMO. Trade Bradford for a first round pick and they could get two top notch starters in this draft. They could have brought in Josh McNown, Ryan Fitzgerald, Bryan Hoyer or even Kirk Cousins and improved their QB situation just about as much as they did bringing in Nick Foles.

I just dont see how any of those guys closely compare to foles and his stats/record

Prowl33 wrote:

riggofan wrote:That's a possibility sure, but there were way better options than that IMO. Trade Bradford for a first round pick and they could get two top notch starters in this draft. They could have brought in Josh McNown, Ryan Fitzgerald, Bryan Hoyer or even Kirk Cousins and improved their QB situation just about as much as they did bringing in Nick Foles.

I just dont see how any of those guys closely compare to foles and his stats/record

Nick Foles 2014
8 Games 2,160 yds 13 TDs 10 INTs 3 Fumbles

Kirk Cousins 2014
6 Games, 1700 yds, 10 TDs, 9 INTs, 2 Fumbles

Looks pretty comparable to me.

I'll accept your opinion that Foles might be better than Cousins - he did have an awesome year in 2013. But I think Cousins could be at least nearly as good for the Rams. And with the extra first round pick you take two first round o-linemen in the draft this year. Wouldn't that be a better option? Look at it this way. Would you rather start the season with Nick Foles and Brandon Scherff? Or Kirk Cousins, Brandon Scherff and Andrus Peat?

Just my opinion why I'm not buying the "I'd rather have Foles than an extra first round pick" stuff.

If someone offered us a 1st round pick for Robert, especially if it was pick 20 or better, we'd be crazy not to take it. But I doubt that any other team at the moment believes in him enough to make that offer.

I don't have to read the comments on this one.

If anyone were stupid enough to offer a 1st for RGIII, you'd take it without giving them the time to realize what a mistake they'd be making.

This is a no-brainer. I'd take a 2nd for him --- at any position in the round.

This being said, there are a good deal of idiots in the NFL, but no one is THAT stupid.......

No one would give us a 1st for him. He's too damaged goods at this point.

Prowl33 wrote:Last 2 years he is one of the best qb's in the nfl. Collar bone is hardly a concern for future injuries. I would take foles in a heart beat... real question is why did philly want Bradford....

Last year he was leading the league in turnovers before he got injured. Threw a good amount of INTs and fumbled a bunch, too. He was not good last year.

He was ridiculous the year before, though.

Irn-Bru wrote:If someone offered us a 1st round pick for Robert, especially if it was pick 20 or better, we'd be crazy not to take it. But I doubt that any other team at the moment believes in him enough to make that offer.

Agreed. Who has offered a first round pick for Robert Griffin?

^ Snyder?? LOL

I would trade Griffin for a bag of damp sweat socks, I think he is a drain of time and energy.

Nobody with any sense would trade a top 15 pick in this draft for Bradford or Griffin - that is just not happening

we'd love to trade Griffin but I think they find out exactly what he can do first ...

both could prove to be better than they've shown but why would you take that risk after what we've seen to date

no way

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -bradford/

Charley Casserly of NFL Media reported that it was the Browns, who own two first-round picks this year and an uncertain quarterback situation even after signing Josh McCown following his release by the Buccaneers, who made the offer. Adam Caplan of ESPN reported the same on Tuesday and added it was the 19th pick that they received in a trade with Buffalo during the first round last year that they were willing to deal.

Like I said, browns offered their 19th pick... send that our way please.

Prowl33 wrote:

Charley Casserly of NFL Media reported that it was the Browns, who own two first-round picks this year and an uncertain quarterback situation even after signing Josh McCown following his release by the Buccaneers, who made the offer. Adam Caplan of ESPN reported the same on Tuesday and added it was the 19th pick that they received in a trade with Buffalo during the first round last year that they were willing to deal.

Like I said, Browns offered their 19th pick... send that our way please.

you're dreaming ...

SkinsJock wrote:

Prowl33 wrote:

Charley Casserly of NFL Media reported that it was the Browns, who own two first-round picks this year and an uncertain quarterback situation even after signing Josh McCown following his release by the Buccaneers, who made the offer. Adam Caplan of ESPN reported the same on Tuesday and added it was the 19th pick that they received in a trade with Buffalo during the first round last year that they were willing to deal.

Like I said, Browns offered their 19th pick... send that our way please.

you're dreaming ...

I know, but it is the Browns, so you never know