Shanahan was against the RG3 trade ... It was Snyder/Allen

[HogHeaven1983]

Just heard on the radio today that Mike Shanahan was strongly against trading all those picks for RG3. He thought it was too big a gamble on 1 player -- and wasn't sold on Griffin (that Griffin did not play in a pro style offense, and wasn't sure he could read NFL defenses, or operate in the pocket).

The big proponents of that trade were Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen. who out-voted Shanahan 2-1.

Some ask me why do I think Snyder is such a bad owner. The biggest reason are things like this ... he gives himself a vote (1 of 3) between Owner, GM, and Coach on every football move this team makes. And since Snyder hires lacky, incompetent, "yes men", who he can control and manipulate as GM's (see Vinny Cerrato and Bruce Allen) -- Snyder basically has 2/3'rds voting control and controls the roster and draft completely.

The fact that Snyder has no skill in football and no skill in evaluating talent, dooms the Skins to mediocrity as long as Snyder is alive. The state of the Redskins cannot be blamed on the lacky incompetent GM's or the coaches -- it's pure Dan Snyder.

It's interesting that Snyder claims to want a winner in DC so bad -- yet he's willing to sacrifice that dream for his own "fun and pleasure" in playing little dictator as the behind-the-scenes, string-pulling, ghost-GM. He would rather have his "fun" than field a winning team (which could happen if he relinquished control and hired a competent GM and gave them full control). What's funny is he "hides" behind his lacky incompetent GM's and blames them for failure, instead of himself (which is the true source of the failure).

Was Jack Kent Cooke pulling strings behind the scenes? NO. He simply hired competent football people to run his team -- put up the cash -- and got out of the way. The result of that were 4 Super Bowl appearances in 11 years. This franchise will never-ever sniff the playoffs again or even a winning record again -- as long as Snyder continues to play at GM. Face it, the Redskins franchise is in the toilet. This is a sewer team -- and Snyder is the sewage master.

[SkinsJock]

sorry mate - you're a little late with this - most here have known this for a while now ... see the Snyder thread

this is the crux of the problem here - Dan Snyder needs to let football savvy people make football decisions

Snyder and some here think that you can build a team by just bringing in the best player or coach that is available (the BPA theory)
Dan Snyder has proved, over 15+ seasons and 16 drafts, that that only results in a huge mess that is the Washington Redskins in 2014

Teams win championships, players and coaches do not


Dan Snyder needs to stop interfering and put NFL people in charge of re-building this franchise - from the GM down

besides - there is no way of knowing for sure, with Dan Snyder's input, how well we would have done with those draft picks - We do know for sure that the trade should never have been put together and we now have all our picks back

the irony is that just like 2012 we look like having the #6 pick to use to trade up again and Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen are in charge here

[OldSchool]

I don't understand how any serious person could believe the Griffin trade made sense from a football roster or win/loss standpoint. The Harvard analysis quantified that Griffin would have to perform at Tom Brady for the Skins to break even on the trade but Snyder had other considerations, namely merchandise sales to consider. I think Snyder opted for the trade after factoring in the revenue Griffin would generate.

[mastdark81]

Give me a break with the Snyder made the trade etc...he probably was all go for it but CONTRACTUALLY Mike Shanahan had the final stamp on all moves and if he let it happen it was on him not Snyder/Bruce.

Shanahan leaked this last year to take heat off himself. Mike Shanahan was ultimately responsible in his dictatorship.

[SkinsJock]

Give me a break with the Snyder made the trade etc...he probably was all go for it but CONTRACTUALLY Mike Shanahan had the final stamp on all moves and if he let it happen it was on him not Snyder/Bruce.

Shanahan leaked this last year to take heat off himself. Mike Shanahan was ultimately responsible in his dictatorship.

sorry - you are WRONG - it is commonly known that Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen voted 2-1 to make the trade

I think that in hindsight that is part of the reason that Mike took Kirk Cousins in the draft as well

[SkinsJock]

speaking of leaks - this is another constant about this franchise and it is getting worse

Dan Snyder needs to stop interfering with this franchise completely

[mastdark81]

Give me a break with the Snyder made the trade etc...he probably was all go for it but CONTRACTUALLY Mike Shanahan had the final stamp on all moves and if he let it happen it was on him not Snyder/Bruce.

Shanahan leaked this last year to take heat off himself. Mike Shanahan was ultimately responsible in his dictatorship.

sorry - you are WRONG - it is commonly known that Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen voted 2-1 to make the trade

I think that in hindsight that is part of the reason that Mike took Kirk Cousins in the draft as well

Mike Shanahan had final say in personnel moves that is fact. Whether or not they voted or who came up with the idea Mike approved the trade and had the power to veto and did not.

One of the reasons the Rams even listened to a trade that was supposedly slightly lower than the Browns offer was because the Shanahan/Fisher relationship.

People can pin Donovan, Rg3 on Dan all you want but under Mike's watch those player were acquired and he had the power to stop the trades from going through.

Shanny was more hands off and deferred (wasnt his money) when it came to contracts but he had a heavy say in player acquisition and draft.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

. Who cares who had final say? Theres a lot more wrong with team then the trade or who made it- and the 6 players that St Louis marched out haven't gotten them to the playoffs! However, the one Rg pick DID get us to the playoffs on a joyous 2012 run.... Sweeping dullass and clenching the East wasnt something we had done in a while... and the pick was worth every cent- even if he never regains that magic.

Funny thing is, id bet the Rams would be more relevant now with Robert, and wed be just as bad as we are now with those six picks on the team.

[Neo]

Still...F shannahan