Blocking or lack thereof

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Watching the Colts vs Pats game and blocking was a marvelous thing.. I started to notice some things.

Our line is garbage bottom line- no pun intended lol.. but we arent helping it any either.

While Gronk is a special beast, we lack even a decent blocking TE. Further more our RBs cant block- or even slow the right guy down- the wideouts are getting bullied on runs too! - sorry Djax.

Why arent we supporting our poor line? We have one of the best FBs in the league whos playing time is dwindling. . Double TE sets? Extra linemen? Hell put a LB in if you have to.

This argument isnt about robert holding on to the ball to long.. he does. I get it. If he had some time to make a slow decision- he would in turn gain some confidence. THAT would lead to trusting his reads and making quicker choices. Hes gotten gun shy- and rightfully so. He had a hand on hik as soon as he got the ball- and the line Colt and Kirk had was not the same. Tw out Lavuo banged up... its a terrible attempt at a patchwork line. The wr core is meaningless if the qb doesnt have tike to get it to them.

I hope coach has some ideas to improve it moving fwd.. I think its officially hit rock bottom

[StorminMormon86]

Our line is garbage bottom line- no pun intended lol.. but we arent helping it any either.

According to C00ley, this is an illogical argument. He's pointed to Green Bay's, the Colts, and the Eagles all having putrid o-lines. But that doesn't effect their QB play. Good QB's play through bad lines. And the offensive line is not solely to blame for Griffin's struggles.

[oj]

I think it is coaching more than individual players. I saw an interview with Polumbus and he acted apologetic and said 'I'm not the best player', in fact it is the coaches job to make him the best player. He has the raw skills, all of them have the raw skills and it is coaching that develops them. Just like the Drill Sargent and a mess of kids.
I figure we got 56 guys out there, they can't all be stumblebums. They all have the drive to be the best, it is coaching that gets them there.

[StorminMormon86]

Gruden also said Griffin muffed a lot of the plays with his footwork. If the o-line is blocking for a 3 step drop back and Griffin takes 5, of course the pocket is going to collapse.

[SkinsJock]

we are not playing well together in any phase of the game - there is evidence that points to most every part of the game needing to do things better - having a great O line will not magically make Griffin better nor will having a great safety make the secondary better nor will having a great DC or HC make the players play better ...

we need to play better together in all facts of the game

but

this is a fan's web site and we are entitled to come up with anything and everything we feel will help the franchise get a better record

the biggest issue right now is to determine if Griffin is going to be able to become a good NFL QB

having great weapons on offense is meaningless if the QB is not able to get them the ball - having an O line that can't block anyone makes no difference if the QB is not able to execute the play as designed - THE SAME IS TRUE ON DEFENSE - if the defense does not execute the plays as designed the defense will most likely not be effective

it's true we lack players at certain positions but even when we get players the ONLY way they will be any good is if they play TOGETHER

our O line would be a lot more effective if they made each other better

THIS IS A TEAM GAME and we are not seeing these players OR coaches doing their part very well at all

[markshark84]

Watching the Colts vs Pats game and blocking was a marvelous thing.. I started to notice some things.

Our line is garbage bottom line- no pun intended lol.. but we arent helping it any either.

While Gronk is a special beast, we lack even a decent blocking TE. Further more our RBs cant block- or even slow the right guy down- the wideouts are getting bullied on runs too! - sorry Djax.

Why arent we supporting our poor line? We have one of the best FBs in the league whos playing time is dwindling. . Double TE sets? Extra linemen? Hell put a LB in if you have to.

This argument isnt about robert holding on to the ball to long.. he does. I get it. If he had some time to make a slow decision- he would in turn gain some confidence. THAT would lead to trusting his reads and making quicker choices. Hes gotten gun shy- and rightfully so. He had a hand on hik as soon as he got the ball- and the line Colt and Kirk had was not the same. Tw out Lavuo banged up... its a terrible attempt at a patchwork line. The wr core is meaningless if the qb doesnt have tike to get it to them.

I hope coach has some ideas to improve it moving fwd.. I think its officially hit rock bottom

I think the time for making excuses for RGIII is over.

[StorminMormon86]

I think the time for making excuses for RGIII is over.

When the head coach comes out and publicly puts over half of the sacks on Griffin, I'd say it's time to stop blaming the o-line for everything.

[riggofan]

The time for fantasizing about fielding The Hogs again is over.

We've seen McCoy and Cousins manage to play behind our line without giving up six sacks. We watched Griffin on Sunday stand straight and tall for five seconds while Jackson got 77 yards down field. Too bad he couldn't make the throw. We've seen Alfred Morris run behind this line for the past three years. The line is what it is. I'm not saying they're especially good, but other teams are getting it done behind lines that are as bad or worse.

I think the comment someone made about the Eagles' line is completely on point. Their o-line has been a mess from injuries all year. The Broncos have one of the worst lines in the league.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Yall salty today huh?
The line we had vs the bucs was a different line then colt and kirk had for starters.
Secondly- did anyone bother reading the original post?? Smmfh

[StorminMormon86]

I think most people are tired of the blame going everywhere outside of Griffin.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Watching the Colts vs Pats game and blocking was a marvelous thing.. I started to notice some things.

Our line is garbage bottom line- no pun intended lol.. but we arent helping it any either.

While Gronk is a special beast, we lack even a decent blocking TE. Further more our RBs cant block- or even slow the right guy down- the wideouts are getting bullied on runs too! - sorry Djax.

Why arent we supporting our poor line? We have one of the best FBs in the league whos playing time is dwindling. . Double TE sets? Extra linemen? Hell put a LB in if you have to.

This argument isnt about robert holding on to the ball to long.. he does. I get it. If he had some time to make a slow decision- he would in turn gain some confidence. THAT would lead to trusting his reads and making quicker choices. Hes gotten gun shy- and rightfully so. He had a hand on hik as soon as he got the ball- and the line Colt and Kirk had was not the same. Tw out Lavuo banged up... its a terrible attempt at a patchwork line. The wr core is meaningless if the qb doesnt have tike to get it to them.

I hope coach has some ideas to improve it moving fwd.. I think its officially hit rock bottom

I think the time for making excuses for RGIII is over.

Whos making excuses?

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I think most people are tired of the blame going everywhere outside of Griffin.

Thats strange.. seems to me he is getting more blame whilst people defend a horrible oline. When TW went out it went from bad to pathetic.

Did u watch the game man?

Did my op not acknowledge RG3 holds on to the ball to long?
He needs some more time to build confidence and continuity with his recievers. So I asked why we dont formulate a plan to do so. Our rbs and tes arent blocking veey well and our smallish line loses every battle- nearly every play

[StorminMormon86]

Thats strange.. seems to me he is getting more blame whilst people defend a horrible oline. When TW went out it went from bad to pathetic.

Did u watch the game man?

Did my op not acknowledge RG3 holds on to the ball to long?
He needs some more time to build confidence and continuity with his recievers. So I asked why we dont formulate a plan to do so. Our rbs and tes arent blocking veey well and our smallish line loses every battle- nearly every play

I haven't seen one person on here defend our o-line. It's mediocre at best. But when you have 2 guys start 7 games and get sacked less than 1 guy who's started 3 games...you cannot put all of the blame on the o-line.

Yes you've acknowledged that Griffin holds the ball too long. Which kind of negates your point about not having protection, does it not?

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Our line is garbage bottom line- no pun intended lol.. but we arent helping it any either.

According to C00ley, this is an illogical argument. He's pointed to Green Bay's, the Colts, and the Eagles all having putrid o-lines. But that doesn't effect their QB play. Good QB's play through bad lines. And the offensive line is not solely to blame for Griffin's struggles.

Foles is hurt and durty Sanchez was getting worked.m Phillys crapnlinebis still better in pass pro then ours.

Rogers and Luck are better pocket passers so thats a strange comparison- they also have a lot more time then our qbs have.

Cousins is a good qb.. he gets rid of the ball fast to avoid the pressure.. to the other team. .

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Thats strange.. seems to me he is getting more blame whilst people defend a horrible oline. When TW went out it went from bad to pathetic.

Did u watch the game man?

Did my op not acknowledge RG3 holds on to the ball to long?
He needs some more time to build confidence and continuity with his recievers. So I asked why we dont formulate a plan to do so. Our rbs and tes arent blocking veey well and our smallish line loses every battle- nearly every play

I haven't seen one person on here defend our o-line. It's mediocre at best. But when you have 2 guys start 7 games and get sacked less than 1 guy who's started 3 games...you cannot put all of the blame on the o-line.

Yes you've acknowledged that Griffin holds the ball too long. Which kind of negates your point about not having protection, does it not?

Not really no. "To long" in his case isnt nearly log enough.

I know redskins nation is sad mad hurt.. but every thread doesnt have to be rg3 vs the world.

He needs better protection and a little more time to get rid of the ball.

He faced two teams w a great pass rush- among the best in minn and hou- then had a makeshift line vs TB.. one that neither colt or kirk had the pleasure of hiding behind. Soooo whats your point?

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I guess using the fb and/or double te sets was a dumb idea... I guess weve given up on robert and its time to put our stock on a Cleveland cast away 3 stringer.

I guess no one else saw our line gettig man handled and didnt envy gb and ne for all the time the alottted their qb to make a throw

Good chat guys.

No need to start a bench rg3 thread- lets just fill up every thread w the same finger pointing

[StorminMormon86]

Not really no. "To long" in his case isnt nearly log enough.

I know redskins nation is sad mad hurt.. but every thread doesnt have to be rg3 vs the world.

He needs better protection and a little more time to get rid of the ball.

He faced two teams w a great pass rush- among the best in minn and hou- then had a makeshift line vs TB.. one that neither colt or kirk had the pleasure of hiding behind. Soooo whats your point?

Wow.

Quarterbacks usually don't have the luxury of more than 3 seconds in a "clean pocket". Just how much time do you expect to give Griffin back there? 7+ seconds? Maybe in Madden, but not in the NFL.

And my point is simple: when the head coach comes out and publicly says more than half of the sacks were on Griffin, I'll tend to believe him. He said that on several plays, Griffin would take a 5 step drop back when the play was for a 3, or 3 steps when the play was for a 1...meaning it negates what play the o-line is trying to block for. So they can't be as effective when the quarterback is screwing up the play they were designed to protect. It's not RG3 vs. the world. But it is time to start realizing that he is a part of the problems on this team.

[StorminMormon86]

And to the original point about beefing up the line, I would say it's a good idea to try SOMETHING different against the 49ers.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Not really no. "To long" in his case isnt nearly log enough.

I know redskins nation is sad mad hurt.. but every thread doesnt have to be rg3 vs the world.

He needs better protection and a little more time to get rid of the ball.

He faced two teams w a great pass rush- among the best in minn and hou- then had a makeshift line vs TB.. one that neither colt or kirk had the pleasure of hiding behind. Soooo whats your point?

Wow.

Quarterbacks usually don't have the luxury of more than 3 seconds in a "clean pocket". Just how much time do you expect to give Griffin back there? 7+ seconds? Maybe in Madden, but not in the NFL.

And my point is simple: when the head coach comes out and publicly says more than half of the sacks were on Griffin, I'll tend to believe him. He said that on several plays, Griffin would take a 5 step drop back when the play was for a 3, or 3 steps when the play was for a 1...meaning it negates what play the o-line is trying to block for. So they can't be as effective when the quarterback is screwing up the play they were designed to protect. It's not RG3 vs. the world. But it is time to start realizing that he is a part of the problems on this team.

Maybe my avatar fogs my posts..
I saw the game. Saw the presser. Gruden didnt want to throw his patchwork line under the bus- but was fine dismantling Roberts play.. funny I read an article about how coaches dont generally poop on their qb like that. Maybe itll help Robert own his mistakes.

I definitely want and expect more from Robert.. as I mentioned "gunshy" "confidence" both aided by "more time".

Its not just the sacks man.. everyplay he was swarmed on even with a measly 4 man rush. THAT points to the line at fault ASWELL. Sure he can improve theres no denying- but how? Help block is my assertion.

There were a few plays that the pocket was swallowed and he actually disappeared then the ball some how made it out, or he scrambled out.

More bootlegs? More read option? Ultimately he needs more time to progress. Despite his "footwork" woes, his hesitations, and happy feet- the patchwork oline- missing trent and Lavou missing or playing hurt to boot, made TBs pass rush look elite. And it is not.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

And to the original point about beefing up the line, I would say it's a good idea to try SOMETHING different against the 49ers.

Here here!
Eli and ohno dont get benched after 5int performances.. hell sheli led the league in ints over and over.. I know robert doesnt deserve any kind of support since he is ringless.. but sometimes you have to play what u got- and find a way to help them be successful.

***I wish I could post this on every thread right now: what have we learned from the last 20 years??
The QB carousel DOES NOT fix a bad TEAM. Bad teams, are on the carousel, until the build the TEAM up.

[Deadskins]

This argument isnt about robert holding on to the ball to long.. he does. I get it. If he had some time to make a slow decision- he would in turn gain some confidence. THAT would lead to trusting his reads and making quicker choices. Hes gotten gun shy- and rightfully so.

Exactly! It didn't halp that he tried to come back off major knee surgery last season behind that line. I'm sure he did develop bad habits and tendencies. Most would. We're Patrick Ramseying him right now.

[riggofan]

I saw the game. Saw the presser. Gruden didnt want to throw his patchwork line under the bus- but was fine dismantling Roberts play.. funny I read an article about how coaches dont generally poop on their qb like that. Maybe itll help Robert own his mistakes.

Man, people better take note of what Gruden said yesterday about Griffin. You're completely right that coaches don't usually do that to their quarterbacks. I think that was about a lot more than just trying to get RGIII to "own his mistakes".

“Robert had some fundamental flaws,” Gruden said. “His footwork was below average. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three, on a couple occasions, and that can’t happen. He stepped up when he didn’t have to step up and stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times. So from his basic performance just critiquing Robert it was not even close to being good enough to what we expect from the quarterback position.”

I don't know about you guys, but I think that was a very public heads up to his bosses about this quarterback. And it was smart as hell too, because he'll have no problem getting the fans behind him on that one.

cowboykillerzRGiii, I do know what you're saying about everyone heaping the blame on RGIII right now. Personally I don't think its about the loss v. the Bucs exactly. RGIII didn't lose that game alone - he had a TON of help. Helu's fumble, that awful Niles Paul lateral, Haslett, Forbath, Ryan Clark, horrible penalties, etc; etc; etc; We stunk from top to bottom. This is audition time for RGIII though, and he CANNOT come out and play as badly as he did Sunday.

I watched rookie Zach Mettenberger last night on a crappy 2-8 Titans team go toe to toe with Roethlisberger and the 7-4 Steelers.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Alls im sayin is- lets get the guy some help to build his confidence- and that of his peers.

If this audition time- lets give him every chance to be successful. Hell even use Al and Redd more!

His play needs to improve- but so does most of the teams.

Theres a ton of pressure on his shoulders- a second more to do the right thing cant hurt

[StorminMormon86]

And Mettenberger doesn't have an all-pro line to protect him either.

With regards to Griffin's confidence: do you attempt to build it up with the possibility of losing the locker room?

[StorminMormon86]

Alls im sayin is- lets get the guy some help to build his confidence- and that of his peers.

If this audition time- lets give him every chance to be successful. Hell even use Al and Redd more!

His play needs to improve- but so does most of the teams.

Theres a ton of pressure on his shoulders- a second more to do the right thing cant hurt

There is a reason there is a ton of pressure on his shoulders...what we gave up to draft the guy! He needs to be performing RIGHT NOW. Not next year, not in a couple of weeks, RIGHT NOW. This is his third year. His performance against the Bucs has shown anything but progress. Can you at least admit that this is very alarming considering the steep price we paid to draft him?