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I know many (most or all?) of us blame the loss on the defense. Be that as it may, what grade would you give Griff and why?

I saw a lot of good - especially early. Griff made some good decisions. He ran what was blocked. He came off covered guys and got to his 2nd or 3rd read when needed and when allowed. Helu missed a block in pass pro but "backyard Bob" escaped and got a long gainer to Helu. He threw a couple of terrific deep balls and helped DJax get open with great look-offs.

The pick right before the half was horrible. It was short and inside on a well-covered square out. Griff looked indecisive for the next 3-4 posessions.

Griff was having a strong finish but I think he was a little out of shape and got tired. He also had just gotten hit pretty hard. The final throw he missed he made in the 1st quarter and early in the game it was an athletic dart. (As an aside, DJax had just picked up a ticky-tack offensive interference to put us in 1st and 20 and on the 14 yard scramble a few plays later, Andre Roberts was getting mugged for several seconds.) I wish Griff had run on the last play (easy 1st down) but he looked gassed to me and fell down after throwing the ball.

USATODAY called it ugly. Here's their take with video. Watch Griff tiredly throw then fall down for no apparent reason.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/11/robert- ... kings-pass

USATODAY wrote:Nope. Instead, RG3 forced a throw that didn’t need forcing and did so while exhibiting footwork that looked a little like Bambi trying to ice skate the first time. A good pass and the Redskins were in prime position to get into field-goal range and win the game. That throw — just about the worst throw any professional quarterback can make in a big situation — lost the game. Was it one, isolated bad throw? The product of Griffin not getting full reps in practice this week? Poor footwork based on the lingering remnants of the injury that sidelined him since week 2?


I saw 2 maybe 3 sacks I put on Griff. The others were whiffs by Helu, etal.

Quoting Jay Gruden, the Washington Post wrote:Nor did the coach sugarcoat the costly errors on Griffin’s part — the interception that triggered Minnesota’s scoring spurt after Washington had bolted to a 10-0 lead, the 14-yard scramble when the Redskins needed 20 yards to extend their final chance at a game-winning drive and the sacks that resulted from a refusal to let the ball fly.

“Sometimes that comes naturally, sometimes it doesn’t,” Gruden said of the art of getting the ball out quickly. “But it’s something he’s going to have to fight through and abort mission when he has to and step up and throw it away when he has to and get it out of his hands when he has to.”

Gruden also alluded to a mental rigor that he’d like to see Griffin develop.


I give Griff a B. He's still my man.
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Griff is still our guy, but these criticisms are accruate. That throw to Garcon simply has to be made, it was a very easy one to make. No excuses there. The pick was also an awful throw. Other than that I thought he played well. He might have taken an unnecessary sack or two, but those are not what is going to kill us in the long run with RGIII. Better to take a sack than throw a pick. 26 points against a rookie QB should net you a win. That didn't happen thanks to our terribly incompetent DC.
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Pretty fair analysis, DM. I thought he played really well at times - the throws to DJax in particular were impressive. I liked that he didn't look like he was freelancing the whole time. No happy feet. His presence clearly made a difference with Morris. He slid! He brought the team back twice when we got behind, and he was good enough to put us in a position to win that game. Definitely looked better than he did v. Houston.

I would probably give him a C+. That first half INT was just egregiously bad. Seriously, did anybody see that play and NOT think WTF??? He hung on to the ball too long a couple times that probably led to at least one sack. And I don't know, but I think your elite QB has to make that fourth and 6 throw to Garcon with the game on the line. The play was there for him, Garcon was available for an easy catch, and he just made a terrible throw.

First game back in what is still a new offense for him, I think a C+ is pretty good. Bottom line, at the end of that game I wasn't thinking, "Oh that was a huge mistake to start Griffin."
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The int as bad of a choice/throw that it clearly was.. wasnt as clearly an int as the refs called it.

I think the "not being in football shape" is accurate.. hopefully we see him progress each week and build confidence along the way.

The last pass was poor, but to me isnt why we lost.. arguably the penalty for PI on djax and then the holding on the oline on the first 4th down play were equally to blame. Obviously our Ds inability to stop the opposition in the second half and/or protect a lead is imo why we lost.

As for the last pass.. on the move to the left, across the body after a hard day at work wasnt as easy as a pass as some are trying to call it. It was disappointing, to say the least, but the coverage was pretty tight and for what ever reason Griff was off balance.

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From what I was able to watch of the game, I thought it was a decent performance, nothing more. I was honestly surprised they started him for this game, considering he hadn't played in months and the bye week was the next week. I would have thought it would have made sense to have him get the extra work over the bye week and roll into the next game ready to go.
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RGIII is being run down by D lineman. It doesn't seem to me that he can move like he once did. Injuries add up really quickly especially when your legs have experience tribulation periods every year.
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Overall, a good performance. The horrible pick clearly slipped...
Good job extending plays. Good job protecting himself. Often got to his 3rd read. EXCELLENT deep passes. No overtly stupid plays. Held the ball too long on maybe 3 plays... one was especially bad... time had clearly run out, and he was still looking...
Good job, especially considering the layoff.
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PulpExposure wrote:From what I was able to watch of the game, I thought it was a decent performance, nothing more. I was honestly surprised they started him for this game, considering he hadn't played in months and the bye week was the next week. I would have thought it would have made sense to have him get the extra work over the bye week and roll into the next game ready to go.


I think that's the case a majority of the local media (and probably fans) were making. In hindsight though, isn't it better that he got that game in? He played OK and it didn't look like the ankle was any kind of issue for him. I'd even argue that he looked better than he did in week 1 v. Houston. We got that "first game back" out of the way.

I was personally really concerned about what might happen if they'd held him out until after the bye. I think there would have been a lot more pressure on him at home vs. this team that everyone is expecting us to beat. No games in the NFL are gimmies, and that's especially true for the Redskins.

There's still going to be a lot of pressure to win that game, but I think he's better prepared having started against the Vikings last week.
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Countertrey wrote:Overall, a good performance. The horrible pick clearly slipped...


Man, that INT was so horrible I couldn't figure what happened there. Just slipped coming out of his hand?
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It was so bad that the guy didn't even catch it. :shock:
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riggofan wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Overall, a good performance. The horrible pick clearly slipped...


Man, that INT was so horrible I couldn't figure what happened there. Just slipped coming out of his hand?
When I saw the pass, I thought that it must have been tipped, or his arm hit... nope... just slipped out of his hand like a rotting cabbage. His receiver was open... maybe he rushed it... I don't know... but he was trying to get it to the right guy... so... just a crappy pass at the worst possible time... not something I think we need to worry about, because we know the quality of Griffin's arm...
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Cappster wrote:RGIII is being run down by D lineman. It doesn't seem to me that he can move like he once did. Injuries add up really quickly especially when your legs have experience tribulation periods every year.


did you also notice how quickly the D linemen were getting to Griffin? there were more than a few times that Griffin got rid of the ball in UNDER 3 SECONDS and was under pressure just to get the pass off - any O line that is not giving the QB 3 seconds is not doing their job
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Why does the O-Line do a much better job protecting Cousins and McCoy, but not Griffin? The 2 back-ups never seem to have the same kind of pressure that Griffin has.
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hanburgerheel wrote:Why does the O-Line do a much better job protecting Cousins and McCoy, but not Griffin? The 2 back-ups never seem to have the same kind of pressure that Griffin has.


Not sure if you noticed or not but they were caving in the line for Cousins. Colt bought some time but got sacked also.
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Kilmer72 wrote:
hanburgerheel wrote:Why does the O-Line do a much better job protecting Cousins and McCoy, but not Griffin? The 2 back-ups never seem to have the same kind of pressure that Griffin has.


Not sure if you noticed or not but they were caving in the line for Cousins. Colt bought some time but got sacked also.



But, Griffin is always under much more noticeable pressure than the other two combined.
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^ as a DC id blitz ohno and a Griffin whobisnt 100% a ton wouldnt you? I know when he was 100% we were blitzed less then last year (among the most).. so maybe that happened? Then again the two teams hes faced this year have a very good pass rush in Minn and Hou.. lets see how this oline holds up vs tb I guess
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I was talking with a friend and he mentioned that Kyle designed plays for RGIII where he would only have to view 1/2 of the field on some of the option plays. Anyone else heard anything like this?
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thankfully we have Griffin - this O line is like a sieve
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Yeah its really not, but I guess we're just going to keep saying it all season.
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By the end of the year, I honestly believe that RGIII will look like a stud QB once again.

He is an incredibly talented athlete, and once the O-line starts to play better (which hopefully happens soon), he will look better than he did his rookie year.
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riggofan wrote:Yeah its really not, but I guess we're just going to keep saying it all season.


IMO our Oline is only slightly better than last year. We get Lauvao and he was what we expected. Terrible against the run which makes us more one dimensional. His pass blocking skills are ok. Chester is still Chester and Kory gets pushed back when facing a really good defense. Maybe the stats say all of them are doing an adequate job. I just notice what happens when facing a challenging defense. The Pukes haven't had very many sacks this year but they got 3 against us. Seems to me, when teams can and want to, they usually win by pinning their ears back and going after Robert.
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Kilmer72 wrote:
riggofan wrote:Yeah its really not, but I guess we're just going to keep saying it all season.


IMO our Oline is only slightly better than last year. We get Lauvao and he was what we expected. Terrible against the run which makes us more one dimensional. His pass blocking skills are ok. Chester is still Chester and Kory gets pushed back when facing a really good defense. Maybe the stats say all of them are doing an adequate job. I just notice what happens when facing a challenging defense. The Pukes haven't had very many sacks this year but they got 3 against us. Seems to me, when teams can and want to, they usually win by pinning their ears back and going after Robert.


Apparently not, because when they're getting after Robert (or Colt or Kirk) our QBs have still had time to find Roberts, Jackson, Garcon and Reed. I'm just telling you guys, your perception of how the offensive line is playing does not match up with the amount of offense they've generated this season.

Speaking of the Cowboys, yeah they had 3 sacks against us. We had FIVE sacks against their highly regarded, three first round pick offensive line.

Teams are not winning by killing our QBs. They're winning, because our defense can't stop ****.

Anyway, I think this is just a criticism people have long gotten into the habit of parroting. We've drafted a number of guys for the offensive line, and we need to get those players contributing. O-line is really not our biggest weakness and shouldn't be a big priority to address this offseason.
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I know we have a talented offense (skills) and we can agree to disagree. SJ and I aren't the only ones that see a different story. Hell, CT saw it as well during the game. Comments were written. He commented on how bad our nose tackle was performing but he also mentioned how it seamed the Oline still sucks. I see when the line fails despite the other flaws on the rest of the team. If our oline played at a level I wish they could, then no doubt they would be the best. Now I would also say that it would help if Helu was blocking, and as sad as that is, he is our best. The run blocking? I am not even sure why we are less than what we were last year. Much less. Lauvao comes to mind there.
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riggofan wrote:Yeah its really not, but I guess we're just going to keep saying it all season.


The way I see it, RGIII and our OL have something in common --- they are both playing mediocre football this year.

I haven't been to the forum in a while but from what I can gather, the RGIII supporters will continually cite our OL as the problem every monday after a loss. They are also a sensitive bunch --- because the vast majority of them will take this post as meaning that I'm an anti-RGIII guy.... which isn't the case.
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riggofan wrote:Yeah its really not, but I guess we're just going to keep saying it all season.


The way I see it, RGIII and our OL have something in common --- they are both playing mediocre football this year.

I haven't been to the forum in a while but from what I can gather, the RGIII supporters will continually cite our OL as the problem every monday after a loss. They are also a sensitive bunch --- because the vast majority of them will take this post as meaning that I'm an anti-RGIII guy.... which isn't the case.


I agree that blind supporters of RGIII tend to over do it (welcome to the world!). I think the only problem with your post is the equivocating statement that RGIII is playing mediocre football this year just like the O-line. It isn't wrong, just inaccurate. Clearly your statement assumes we all recognize that the O line has played 9 games and Griffin has played 2 (Leaving aside whether his game against the Vikings was mediocre or not) AND despite this fact, it is still the case their respective mediocrity is equal. Who the hell knows, but my point is your statement is either intentionally baiting or not fully baked. Either way, it is perfectly constructed to elicit the kind of oversensitive reaction from RGIII supporters you are looking for. That's cool and all, but don't act like it would just be the fault of oversensitive RGIII supporters for taking your statement as being at least tinged with anti-RGIIIism.

On a message board with outright lunatic claims that RGIII is a bust, death warmed over, and done, reaction to even the tinge of antiRGIIIism is probably gonna get blasted because that nerve is already raw.
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