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Gets the start against the Vikes! Per NFLN.
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Hmmm. I'd give Griffin a couple more weeks.
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Soo I have the nfl app and got the little newsflash... I dont think there is anything more to this report then there was last week....
rg feels ready.
its up to coach.
and coach will make the call at the last possible moment, as to not show his cards.

Common sense says get robert to the bye to "heal more." However there is nothing common about this kids ability to overcome adversity and get his body in shape to return to the game after an injury.
I cant decide, so im glad its on coach. I definitely want to see my boy at it again tho!!
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I'd rather him come back after the bye, but per an article on CSN the players are saying he's looked ready for the last two weeks. Perhaps that's accurate. Still, I'm concerned about his eagerness putting him out there before he's fully healed.

Hopefully he's been watching film and learning while he's been out. He could do himself (and the team) well if he does some of the small things that Colt did the other night -- looking to pass when scrambling, throwing it away, SLIDING!!!

I have to admit that I'll be nervous for him. DON'T HURT YOURSELF!
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oj wrote:You dance with who brung you to the prom.


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oj wrote:You dance with who brung you to the prom.


sometimes ... after the dance, you get lucky and leave with the prettiest girl on the floor

I'd rather they wait and let McCoy play - we can win this game with McCoy, if they all play as well as they did against the pukes
Griffin is the better QB - he will make the offense even better


IF Griffin is cleared to play medically I just don't see how Gruden can do what many of us want and wait till the Bucs game
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Vikings are currently ranked 4th on defense. And I believe one of their LB's has 8 sacks on the year already, and that their pass rush is top notch. Have fun Bob.
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StorminMormon86 wrote:Vikings are currently ranked 4th on defense. And I believe one of their LB's has 8 sacks on the year already, and that their pass rush is top notch. Have fun Bob.

Boy, that sure doesn't sound like you want him to succeed.
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oj wrote:You dance with who brung you to the prom.


So we dance with the schedule makers? If the vikings game is the prom, the schedule brought us here.

Please, please let's not rehash the blown up position of start cousins in place of griffin, but replacing Cousins with McCoy. That doesn't even pass the laugh out loud test.
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oj wrote:You dance with who brung you to the prom.


sometimes ... after the dance, you get lucky and leave with the prettiest girl on the floor


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StorminMormon86 wrote:Vikings are currently ranked 4th on defense. And I believe one of their LB's has 8 sacks on the year already, and that their pass rush is top notch. Have fun Bob.


Sheesh.

Of course, no game in the NFL is easy, ask ttit how Monday night went for them. You lace em up and go play.
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welch wrote:Hmmm. I'd give Griffin a couple more weeks.


Why? Have you examined his ankle? Have you watched him practice?

No offense intended, because I know your opinion is shared by a lot of people around the DMV. I just don't completely get it.

Colt McCoy has had FAR less work with the first team offense than Griffin has. Seriously how many days of practice did McCoy actually have with the first team before the Dallas game. Four days? Five days? Griffin had the entire offseason, training camp, preseason and first two weeks of this season. He practiced last week and this week.

I have no idea how he's going to do against the Vikings, but if he's healthy we need to see him play. We have an opportunity to see him play eight more games this season. Just like with Cousins, its a perfect chance to find out if he can run this offense consistently.
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Loved this opinion piece from Rich Tandler. A lot of the hand wringers would do well to read it:

Starting Griffin this Sunday is the right call
The decision to start Griffin and end his absence from the lineup after he suffered from a dislocated angle in Week 2, has been widely reported and is expected to be confirmed by Jay Gruden at some point.

Some decisions are hard. The one to start Robert Griffin III against the Vikings on Sunday is easy.

This is assuming, of course, that the Redskins’ quarterback is indeed fully cleared to go medically, that the risk of re-injuring the ankle is low, and that he has knocked off as much of the rust that he accumulated during his seven-week layoff as he can in practice. Jay Gruden has stated numerous times that Griffin would not play until those criteria have been met so we have to assume that they have been.

Some fans and members of the media disagree with the decision to play Griffin this week. They say that the Redskins should hold him out until after the bye week and play him on November 16 against the Bucs. The line of thinking here is that he needs the “extra rest” and “extra practice” that the bye will provide. You know, to make “sure” that he’s ready.

But the NFL doesn’t work that way. When you’re ready to play, you play. In fact, we have indications that Griffin already got his “extra” rest time.

“I’m not going to lie, he looked ready two weeks ago,” said fullback Darrel Young after Wednesday’s practice. “…He’ll be ready for it.”

“I think from a physical standpoint, he might have been able to play last week, I don’t know,” said Gruden.

According to Tarik El-Bashir, Trent Williams praised the coaching staff for not rushing Griffin back, considering how good he has looked in practice.

In other words, it appears that the time where one could say that Griffin was being rushed back has passed. Maybe he could have played against the Titans but doing so would have been irresponsible. There was talk that he might play against the Cowboys but would have been risky. The proper precautions have been taken and it’s time to remove the bubble wrap and let him play.

Fan and media reaction to injuries is all over the board and consistently inconsistent. Many have been outright laughing at tight end Jordan Reed and cornerback Tracy Porter for taking, in their judgment, too long to come back from their hamstring injuries. Apparently you are “soft” when people who have no information on the medical reports and examinations think you’re waiting too long to start playing again but when those with the same lack of information think you’re coming back sooner than they think you should, you’re “reckless” and “egotistical”.

I have to wonder what happens when these folks have to miss some work time due to being sick. If they are feeling fine and ready to resume their duties do they take an extra day off just because? And how do their bosses feel if they want to do that? In most cases, when they’re able to go back, they go back.

And the world of the NFL isn’t like the regular world. There are only 16 workdays in a year and you can’t make up the work at a later time. That’s why players play when they are ready.

Finally, can we dispense with the notion that the Redskins don’t “need” Griffin, who is their best quarterback, to beat the Vikings? They have lost three times as many games as they have won over the last year and a half. There isn’t a single team in the NFL they should feel confident of beating.

Sure Colt McCoy did a nice job in helping the Redskins beat the Cowboys. But his track record, which includes career marks of a 59.9completion percentage, an average of 6.5 yards per pass attempt, and a passer rating of 77.1, is what it is. With Vikings head coach Mike Zimmer in possession of six quarters of film on McCoy, the better course of action is to quit while you’re ahead with him.

There is no guarantee that the Redskins will win on Sunday with Griffin but there were no assurances that McCoy would either. When it’s time, it’s time. Let’s see what Griffin can do.


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StorminMormon86 wrote:Vikings are currently ranked 4th on defense. And I believe one of their LB's has 8 sacks on the year already, and that their pass rush is top notch. Have fun Bob.


get real :shock:

these are the rankings:

Redskins offense (PRIMARILY with Cousins & McCoy) is 16th rushing and 3rd passing

Vikes defense is 20th against the run and 8th against the pass

Our scoring offense is 18th

Vikes scoring defense is 17th

If Griffin is healthy he has to be a HUGE boost to the Redskins offense - even if he's a little rusty

UNLIKE you - I believe he and the offense will have fun ... :twisted:
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I don't entirely trust an NFL team's decision on when a player is ready. Example (1): Griffin playing on the bad knee at the end of the 2012 season; compounded by decision to return him to the Seattle playoff game. Example (2): Romo had back surgery last year and looked to be badly hurt against the Redskins. Hauled to medical location. Jerry Jones goes to Romo, then goes to coach. Romo returns. Did Jones consider that another hit might cripple Romo?
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Sure, but why is the decision any more trustworthy after the bye week than it is today? Without having examined RGIII yourself or watching him practice, you're just assigning some arbitrary date when YOU think he should play based on pretty much nothing at all.
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welch wrote:I don't entirely trust an NFL team's decision on when a player is ready. Example (1): Griffin playing on the bad knee at the end of the 2012 season; compounded by decision to return him to the Seattle playoff game. Example (2): Romo had back surgery last year and looked to be badly hurt against the Redskins. Hauled to medical location. Jerry Jones goes to Romo, then goes to coach. Romo returns. Did Jones consider that another hit might cripple Romo?


Jer doesn't care as he gets what he wants. I would think more precaution would be had just for Romo as a person. He just had back surgery, took a big lick in his back, and squirmed on the ground for a while. I don't think I would encourage him to do something that could potentially be life altering.
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Cappster wrote:
welch wrote:I don't entirely trust an NFL team's decision on when a player is ready. Example (1): Griffin playing on the bad knee at the end of the 2012 season; compounded by decision to return him to the Seattle playoff game. Example (2): Romo had back surgery last year and looked to be badly hurt against the Redskins. Hauled to medical location. Jerry Jones goes to Romo, then goes to coach. Romo returns. Did Jones consider that another hit might cripple Romo?


Jer doesn't care as he gets what he wants. I would think more precaution would be had just for Romo as a person. He just had back surgery, took a big lick in his back, and squirmed on the ground for a while. I don't think I would encourage him to do something that could potentially be life altering.


You're sure right on that one. That whole thing was slimy.
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Cappster wrote:
welch wrote:I don't entirely trust an NFL team's decision on when a player is ready. Example (1): Griffin playing on the bad knee at the end of the 2012 season; compounded by decision to return him to the Seattle playoff game. Example (2): Romo had back surgery last year and looked to be badly hurt against the Redskins. Hauled to medical location. Jerry Jones goes to Romo, then goes to coach. Romo returns. Did Jones consider that another hit might cripple Romo?


Jer doesn't care as he gets what he wants. I would think more precaution would be had just for Romo as a person. He just had back surgery, took a big lick in his back, and squirmed on the ground for a while. I don't think I would encourage him to do something that could potentially be life altering.


Don't risk Griffin's ankle the way Jones risked Romo's back. A week or two won't help the Redskins make the playoffs this season, but another injury to Griffin might hurt Griffin and the team next season.

(An odd thing: the Cowboys' backup QB looked more effective than Romo did after Romo was tossed back into the game. Jones might have helped the Redskins win.)
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OK guys - for those that are still concerned that somehow Griffin needs time to get healthy - pls read this article

http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins

and then there's this from that same article
The Redskins have a bye next week, but Gruden said they don't want to wait just to give Griffin another week. Besides, he said, they only practice once during the bye and then have five days off per the collective bargaining agreement.

"There are no cons to playing him now if he's healthy, which we think he is," Gruden said. "Physically we think he's ready and we want to make sure he's comfortable in the pocket with all the throws and all the reads, the plays we've added, some new concepts we've added....There's no benefit to if he's healthy to sitting him and waiting for the bye. It's not like his leg will get stronger. His leg is fine, so what the heck."
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welch wrote:Don't risk Griffin's ankle the way Jones risked Romo's back. A week or two won't help the Redskins make the playoffs this season, but another injury to Griffin might hurt Griffin and the team next season.


By that logic why play him at all this season?
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StorminMormon86 wrote:Vikings are currently ranked 4th on defense. And I believe one of their LB's has 8 sacks on the year already, and that their pass rush is top notch. Have fun Bob.

Boy, that sure doesn't sound like you want him to succeed.


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riggofan wrote:
welch wrote:Don't risk Griffin's ankle the way Jones risked Romo's back. A week or two won't help the Redskins make the playoffs this season, but another injury to Griffin might hurt Griffin and the team next season.


By that logic why play him at all this season?


I wouldn't.

But he is gonna play so I hope nothing happens.

You think his ankle is as strong as it was right before he hurt it?

Nevermind ... no basis.

You think he's had more practice than McCoy the past 6 weeks? Me neither.
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