Whos afraid of Griffin?

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/whos- ... iffin-iii/

I could decide where to post this.. the article was a good read and I wanted to share it with out it getting buried in crud right away. Enjoy.

Thoughts? Comments?

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

To soon??
Lol
I thought it was a damn good article-
Haterzz

[FLWSkin]

Me too. He did his job on Sunday. A lot of others can't say the same.

[EA7649]

That was a great read every redskins fan and hater should read it.

This isn't in the article, but I can relate him to LeBron. Sure he's not at the dominance of LeBron now. But he is the center of attention and scrutinized for almost everything. "King James" has been noticed since he stepped on a basketball court.

He played okay the first game, could have been better in the red zone. But there were other bigger factors for the loss.

Thanks for the share!

[StorminMormon86]

I've read the article and I agree with the central thesis of it. I cannot stand the unjust criticism of the guy. The prima donna talk, the not saying the right things in pressers, not being smart enough, etc. That stuff makes me sick. But what equally makes me sick is the blind homerism with some of these fans. He did not have a good game on Sunday.

[FLWSkin]

He completed 75% percent of his passes and was under pressure all day and still put us in positions to win that others fumbled away. For god's sake does he need to play defense and special teams too before people realize he is not the sole source of our problems?

[StorminMormon86]

He completed 75% percent of his passes and was under pressure all day and still put us in positions to win that others fumbled away. For god's sake does he need to play defense and special teams too before people realize he is not the sole source of our problems?

Again you're overreacting. That loss is NOT in any way, shape, or form, on Griffn. AT ALL. He did enough to manage the game and not make it worse than it could have been. But Jesus, we scored 6 points on offense. The Paul fumble was not on him, but he did take an unnecessary sack that put us out of FG range, and had a hand in that Morris fumble in the red zone...so how is that contributing to having a good game? I will not blame Griffin for that loss, but I won't act like he did all he could and played a good game but the rest of the team blew it.

[fabe]

Very compelling read. Thank you for sharing.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Glad some of you enjoyed it. More people need to read it- thats why I shared it.

StorminMormon- that was Becks nicname? Are you predisposed to root AGAINAST the starter? Not that I think u hate Griff, just think you have trouble accepting him playing well but not great.

Last year was up and down. He was decent. Middle of the pack on most stats, not as fun as the year before.. but not as terrible as some like to imagine.

Like wise, he played a lot better then people will give him credit for on Sunday. He executed the game plan to a T, very accurately short pass or not. If the whole team knows where the ball is gowing- then maybe the blockers get some heat on those screens or reverses?

Did he play lights out or amazing? Nope. Has anyone suggested as much? Nope.
Was hisbplay enough to win? Yes. Was he good at managing the game plan? Yes.
^by those accounts YES he did play good.

[StorminMormon86]

StorminMormon- that was Becks nicname? Are you predisposed to root AGAINAST the starter? Not that I think u hate Griff, just think you have trouble accepting him playing well but not great.

I've explained this years ago, and now I must admit that I hate the handle I made when I signed up for this message board. But what's the point in changing it after over 1,000 posts. Basically, I've never ever been a Grossman fan. Going into the 2011 season, I did NOT want to rely on Grossman to take the reigns at quarterback. Thanks to the local hype machine, I began to drink the Beck Kool-Aid. I ignored other more knowledgeable people who were witnessing how horrible he was in practice, and thought Beck might be the answer at QB, based solely off of hype alone. Hence the handle I chose. In retrospect, it's stupid and I regret it, but what are you gonna do?

Was hisbplay enough to win? Yes. Was he good at managing the game plan? Yes.
^by those accounts YES he did play good.

I agree that he was good at managing the game plan. But I respectfully disagree that he played well enough to win. And I don't want a guy who we gave up what we did to get him to play as a game manager. Not saying he always will, but he does need to improve.

[SkinsJock]

EVERYBODY has indicated that Griffin needs to improve in all facets of the game - that includes Jay G., Sean M. Robert and the media

some of us think he will and some seem determined that he will not

we will soon see ...

[riggofan]

But what equally makes me sick is the blind homerism with some of these fans. He did not have a good game on Sunday.

Being objective about how RGIII played on Sunday is not "blind homerism". And, no, he didn't have an especially good game on Sunday, but he wasn't bad either and he was probably better than half the QBs who played last weekend.

[markshark84]

Last year was up and down. He was decent. Middle of the pack on most stats, not as fun as the year before.. but not as terrible as some like to imagine.

I wouldn't consider RGIII's stats "middle" of the pack last year.
As far as "good" stats, RGIII was:
- 22nd in rating,
- 25th in completion % (down from 5th in the year prior),
- 19th in yards (18th in attempts, though),
- 23rd in TDs,
- 40th in QB record,
- 29th in QBR,
- 25th in game winning drives,
- 31st in comebacks lead by QB

As far as "bad" stats, RGIII was:
- 15th in sacks (he was 16th in 2012 behind the same OL),
- 3rd in fumbles,
- 10th in sacks/yards lost
- 15th in INTs (again, but 18th in attempts)

There are 32 teams in the NFL. I consider 11-21 to be "middle". The only "middle" stats RGIII landed in were on the "bad" side. He was at the bottom of the pack in all "good" stats outside of yards and YPA in which he tied Fitzpatrick and Keenum at 7 per.

Last year was not a "decent" year. He was hurt and it doesn't mean he can't or won't improve, but we can't fool ourselves into thinking it was.

Again, I envy your optimism, but the numbers don't support it.

The simple fact is that we don't have a team good enough to have a "game manager" QB and expect to win. Our D will give up at least 22+ ppg and our special teams is still weak (they lost us 8 points against HOU). We need an offense that will put up 25+ ppg. A game manager type won't do that. If RGIII is merely a "game manager" (and I'm not saying he is just yet, but he 100% was against HOU --- although I'm not quite convinced that was him or the playcalling that handcuffed him), we will have to move on.

[riggofan]

People can interpret the stats however they want. All of this griping about RGIII boils down to one of two things. You're either willing to see what RGIII can do this year as a healthy QB going into his third year, or you're apparently ready to give up on the guy we traded away three first round picks to acquire.

For all of the complaining about Dan Snyder's dumb moves, fans are just as impatient, reactionary and impetuous.

[SkinsJock]

People can interpret the stats however they want. All of this griping about RGIII boils down to one of two things. You're either willing to see what RGIII can do this year as a healthy QB going into his third year, or you're apparently ready to give up on the guy we traded away three first round picks to acquire.

For all of the complaining about Dan Snyder's dumb moves, fans are just as impatient, reactionary and impetuous.

we have a lot of fans here who know less than Snyder does about the NFL and there is an even larger number of fans here who would be a lot worse than Snyder as an owner of an NFL franchise

Griffin is not playing as well as he can and he will have to step up or he will not be our QB - I think he will become a really good NFL QB

[Mirttinur]

I couldn't agree with this article more wrt Griffin being much less controversial than he appears. The DC media has spun Griffin like a Dreidel. He seems like a great guy who everyone on the team likes yet all anyone wants to talk about with him is finding subtext in every word he speaks and pretending the locker room is against him.

[markshark84]

People can interpret the stats however they want. All of this griping about RGIII boils down to one of two things. You're either willing to see what RGIII can do this year as a healthy QB going into his third year, or you're apparently ready to give up on the guy we traded away three first round picks to acquire.

For all of the complaining about Dan Snyder's dumb moves, fans are just as impatient, reactionary and impetuous.

Stats are stats and I think those were pretty clear.

I don't believe you are referring to me only becuase I have expressed that I still have the belief RGIII can be a good QB --- after all, he was in 2012!!! That being said (and you more or less state this also), this is the year he would have to show that. He was below average in 2013 (albeit playing at less than 100%) and if he has a similar year with the weapons he currently has on offense, a transition should be considered depending on where we draft. I don't think this approach is unreasonable or impatient. And who cares what we gave up to get him. That is irrelevant.

Also, I consider the loyal redskin fans to be some of the MOST patient in all of sports. Over the past 15 years, we have won 1 single playoff game. We watched as one of the worst FOs in football made stupid move after stupid move, turning our once proud franchise into the laughing stock of the NFL --- and it took a near fan uprising to end it.

As far as the media scrutiny --- I am not sure who said it, but I don't know any outlet that is saying he is dumb. RGIII is a VERY smart person and I think most know this fact. I also think the media paint him in a decent picture; I think the fans are the ones that make the accusations -- although I could be wrong as I literally don't read media opinion articles (I prefer to get facts and form my own opinion).

[riggofan]

People can interpret the stats however they want. All of this griping about RGIII boils down to one of two things. You're either willing to see what RGIII can do this year as a healthy QB going into his third year, or you're apparently ready to give up on the guy we traded away three first round picks to acquire.

For all of the complaining about Dan Snyder's dumb moves, fans are just as impatient, reactionary and impetuous.

Stats are stats and I think those were pretty clear.


I don't believe you are referring to me only becuase I have expressed that I still have the belief RGIII can be a good QB --- after all, he was in 2012!!! That being said (and you more or less state this also), this is the year he would have to show that.

Nah I wasn't referring to you. And I agree he needs to show us this year that he can be a good QB. If he's not significantly better this year than he was last year, we have a real problem.

I was mostly talking about that particular class of clown we have around here calling RGIII a "bust" one game into the season.

[StorminMormon86]

He's over on Extreme Skins doing the same exact thing.

[FLWSkin]

Atlanta Skins Fan or Old Fan?

[markshark84]

People can interpret the stats however they want. All of this griping about RGIII boils down to one of two things. You're either willing to see what RGIII can do this year as a healthy QB going into his third year, or you're apparently ready to give up on the guy we traded away three first round picks to acquire.

For all of the complaining about Dan Snyder's dumb moves, fans are just as impatient, reactionary and impetuous.

Stats are stats and I think those were pretty clear.


I don't believe you are referring to me only becuase I have expressed that I still have the belief RGIII can be a good QB --- after all, he was in 2012!!! That being said (and you more or less state this also), this is the year he would have to show that.

Nah I wasn't referring to you. And I agree he needs to show us this year that he can be a good QB. If he's not significantly better this year than he was last year, we have a real problem.

I was mostly talking about that particular class of clown we have around here calling RGIII a "bust" one game into the season.

Yeah, it's a little premature for all that --- but honestly if his play continues similarly to what it was this plast weekend for 5 or 6 consecutive games, I'm going to start leaning towards the thumbs down (but with hopes it will shift up).

[FLWSkin]

Really? Even though he completed 75% of his passes and moved the offense most of the day in spite of horrid offensive line play? Honestly, at this point he just needs to move on because apparently no matter what he does it isn't going to be good enough for people here.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I dont want to get into it- but you cant nitpick stats and fool me into something that didnt happen. Griff was decent last year middlenof the pack any way you spin it. There has to be a ranking of at least 40 qbs NOT just the 32# you were playing. I can use your exact stats to paint a different picture if you like?
Whats the point tho? You have your mind set...

Winning cures all. The TEAM needs to win. Griffin needs to win with the team. Bottom line. He did enough to win on Sunday but we all failed. As a qb he shoulders that- and has. Again we more from him and the offense and the play calling to win, much less bounce back after 2 fumbles and a blocked punt for 7pts against us.

We all can agree- just win baby! Had griff put up those EXACT numbers but we ran in for two scores instead of fumbling inside the ten- Redskins nation is happy and supporting their qb again for being the only nfceast qb w out an int or 2 or 3!!

Frankly- can I call you frank?- im surprised people arent upbin arms over Pual and killing our biggest play of the game!!

[hanburgerheel]

I think Griffin did as well as anyone could with that putrid offensive line. You could put Tom Peyton Brady-Manning Namath behind that porous O-line and they'd get creamed, too. I'm amazed that nothing was done to improve that vital aspect of the team. I don't think Griffin will make it as an NFL QB at all, but he did a decent job Sunday, given what he had to work with and the Houston defense being what it was.

[riggofan]

I think Griffin did as well as anyone could with that putrid offensive line. You could put Tom Peyton Brady-Manning Namath behind that porous O-line and they'd get creamed, too. I'm amazed that nothing was done to improve that vital aspect of the team.

The line can be better, but not sure what you mean that nothing was done to improve the o-line. They spent a third round pick on Morgan Moses and a third on Spencer Long. Signed Shawn Lauvao and moved Lichtensteiger out of the guard position where he struggled so bad. I know these aren't necessarily immediate improvements, but what is it exactly you think they should have done?

Personally I kind of think the o-line was a lot like Griffin last week. Not great, not terrible. If I were handing out grades, they'd both get a C or C-.