Snyder is the cancer

[Chris Luva Luva]

It doesn't matter who is coaching this team in the short or long term. This franchise is DOA until the day Snyder either sells the team or dies. It's done.

For the past few years, I've refused to attend a game. I don't purchase any Redskins merchandise. The next step, I'll stop watching the games and spend my time doing more enjoyable things. This franchise will never return to glory under this owernship. Pick any coach that's been here since Snyders arrival, they're simply symptoms. Snyder is the cancer, and until he's cut out of the body, his tentacles will continue to spread.

I thought things had changed. I thought he had learned his lesson. I was wrong. He has improved but he can only change but so much, that's true of all men, myself included.

[Kilmer72]

It doesn't matter who is coaching this team in the short or long term. This franchise is DOA until the day Snyder either sells the team or dies. It's done.

For the past few years, I've refused to attend a game. I don't purchase any Redskins merchandise. The next step, I'll stop watching the games and spend my time doing more enjoyable things. This franchise will never return to glory under this owernship. Pick any coach that's been here since Snyders arrival, they're simply symptoms. Snyder is the cancer, and until he's cut out of the body, his tentacles will continue to spread.

I thought things had changed. I thought he had learned his lesson. I was wrong. He has improved but he can only change but so much, that's true of all men, myself included.

Shanahan wasn't man enough. I agree, he could have been underminded. We have a great prospect in Robert. I believe that many coaches will be licking their chops to coach him.

[Chris Luva Luva]

I believe that many coaches will be licking their chops to coach him.

And it won't matter. Because the root problem is still there. That's the point of my post. I guess it doesn't leave much room for discussion. Snyder is the only constant.

I had issues with Norv.
I had issues with Spurrier.
I had issues with Zorn.
I had issues with Gibbs 2.0.
I had issues with Marty.

With each change at HC, we expected change. We didn't get it....
We have a "GM" now, we expected change. We didn't get it...
We bring in CoachX, what makes him any different? Tony Dungy said that he would NEVER want to work for Snyder. Ever. The caliber of coach we need, we can't even get, because of Snyder. I'm not advocating for Tony specifically, but just that upper echelon of coaching.

[Irn-Bru]

It doesn't matter who is coaching this team in the short or long term. This franchise is DOA until the day Snyder either sells the team or dies. It's done.

For the past few years, I've refused to attend a game. I don't purchase any Redskins merchandise. The next step, I'll stop watching the games and spend my time doing more enjoyable things. This franchise will never return to glory under this owernship. Pick any coach that's been here since Snyders arrival, they're simply symptoms. Snyder is the cancer, and until he's cut out of the body, his tentacles will continue to spread.

I thought things had changed. I thought he had learned his lesson. I was wrong. He has improved but he can only change but so much, that's true of all men, myself included.

I'm with you 100% except for the part about not watching the games. I don't know if I could bring myself to that.

I was really convinced that Snyder had learned his lessons, but I was wrong. I see now that things never really improved. Like Gibbs, Shanahan was able to make the situation look less dire than it actually was.

Ugh. Here we go again.

[markshark84]

It doesn't matter who is coaching this team in the short or long term. This franchise is DOA until the day Snyder either sells the team or dies. It's done.

For the past few years, I've refused to attend a game. I don't purchase any Redskins merchandise. The next step, I'll stop watching the games and spend my time doing more enjoyable things. This franchise will never return to glory under this owernship. Pick any coach that's been here since Snyders arrival, they're simply symptoms. Snyder is the cancer, and until he's cut out of the body, his tentacles will continue to spread.

I thought things had changed. I thought he had learned his lesson. I was wrong. He has improved but he can only change but so much, that's true of all men, myself included.

Shanahan wasn't man enough. I agree, he could have been underminded. We have a great prospect in Robert. I believe that many coaches will be licking their chops to coach him.

Not man enough.........

Look at the body-bag list of coaches burned thru by Danny.....3 of whom are HOFers. Any high quality coach will see how ALL HC-Owner relationships end with Danny and walk away. Coaches with options will choose the option of least resistance --- and the fire-happy Danny being in your face is the total opposite.

And after this season, I don't see a great attractiveness to coach this team. RGIII had a horrible year and appears to have regresseed, our D needs a total overhaul, and we don't have a first round pick. The only benefit is that Danny will ALWAYS throw tons of cash at you --- and what the idiot Danny doesn't realize is that type of "persuasion" attracts the wrong type of candidate......

So if MS wasn't "man enough", what does that say about Turner, Schott, or Gibbs?

I have been saying that Danny is the same old Danny for a long time on this board ---- and to much disagreement. I haven't seen a difference in the way he carries himself or his decisionmaking. And I truly believe the only reason we haven't been making our typically stupid Haynesworth-type signings is because Danny was hit with the cap penalty. He is still the same pompous a--hole. And Danny won't change until he is truly humbled. This hasn't happened and may never.

[Deadskins]

I'll bet Mara is laughing his ass off.

[Kilmer72]

Maybe Irn and Chris you are right. You have to admit though that Shanahan quit, threw in the towel, gave up etc.... Not good. He is nit picking BS because he knows he has failed and tried to save face on his exit, tried to get paid for a year in advance that he doesn't deserve, and last but not least thieving his way out. Even if all the blame is all on Snyder, Shanahans exit is non professional.

[Irn-Bru]

Maybe Irn and Chris you are right. You have to admit though that Shanahan quit, threw in the towel, gave up etc....

No, I don't admit that. Take a look at what the players said after the game. I posted this in another thread, but it's worth reposting here. Moss said:

“We didn’t play good enough. It ain’t about preparation,” Moss said. “Coach been doing one of the best jobs I’ve ever been around when it comes to coaches. He’s been taking a lot off us. This time of year, you don’t want to be pounding. He’s doing a lot. For him to say that, I appreciate that. But at the end of the day, we’ve got to go out there and play. It’s not about what coach has gone out there and done. He’s doing the right thing by his players. Any player that’s played in this league would want a coach like Coach Shanahan.

[riggofan]

Maybe Irn and Chris you are right. You have to admit though that Shanahan quit, threw in the towel, gave up etc.... Not good. He is nit picking BS because he knows he has failed and tried to save face on his exit, tried to get paid for a year in advance that he doesn't deserve, and last but not least thieving his way out. Even if all the blame is all on Snyder, Shanahans exit is non professional.

Yeah I'm with you on this. Not a Snyder fan, but I think Shanahan owed it to everybody including the players and fans to try to finish what he started. He has clearly thrown in the towel as you pointed out.

[Irn-Bru]

Look at the body-bag list of coaches burned thru by Danny.....3 of whom are HOFers. Any high quality coach will see how ALL HC-Owner relationships end with Danny and walk away. Coaches with options will choose the option of least resistance --- and the fire-happy Danny being in your face is the total opposite.

And after this season, I don't see a great attractiveness to coach this team. RGIII had a horrible year and appears to have regresseed, our D needs a total overhaul, and we don't have a first round pick. The only benefit is that Danny will ALWAYS throw tons of cash at you --- and what the idiot Danny doesn't realize is that type of "persuasion" attracts the wrong type of candidate......

Yep. I'm really afraid that we're going to have a repeat of the offseason that ended up with Zorn as head coach. We were so incompetent in our coaching search that we couldn't attract a single viable candidate.

We only got Shanahan because Snyder idiolized him and promised him he could control everything, and now look how that turned out. No good coach in their right mind is going to want to come here.

[Deadskins]

No good coach in their right mind is going to want to come here.

I'm afraid you are right on that.

[StorminMormon86]

Is Zorny still available for next season? Who else would want to come back here?

[Kilmer72]

No good coach in their right mind is going to want to come here.

I'm afraid you are right on that.

We shall see. I am betting on money motivating someone. If Gibbs was younger I think it works. If Marty didn't want to play GM it works. There are a few excuses or reasons.
I don't doubt Snyders recruiting abilities. He can get who he wants. It is up to that individual to make it work. Get away from the kitchen if you don't like the heat. Last but not least - Snyder please stay away from players, coaches and decision making except hiring your GM.(Go through Bruce trust him) I actually believe he has except for befriending Robert. Give me a break. If he is is deciding on Mcnab or Robert or anything then that is enough to make someone want to leave. If you want to leave please do not quit before the season ends.

[riggofan]

Yep. I'm really afraid that we're going to have a repeat of the offseason that ended up with Zorn as head coach. We were so incompetent in our coaching search that we couldn't attract a single viable candidate.

Shudder.

Well one factor that year was that Snyder wasn't expecting to lose Gibbs, right? At least this year, we'll have a few weeks before the season ends for him to start making some plans.

[StorminMormon86]

I'm of the firm belief that money talks, and despite Snyder's reputation, he has the money to convince someone noteworthy to come here.

[riggofan]

I'm of the firm belief that money talks, and despite Snyder's reputation, he has the money to convince someone noteworthy to come here.

You just summed up my biggest fear in about a dozen words. he has the money to convince someone noteworthy to come here. We don't need someone noteworthy, we need someone capable.

[SkinsJock]

I am also VERY disappointed that Snyder did what it took to bring in Mike even hiring a GM in Bruce and agreeing to stop interfering and then he goes and interferes anyway - he's an assh*le

one thing for sure - the next HC will know coming in that Snyder is going to be a part of the program

he will be paid well but he knows that his job is going to be next to impossible because of this STUPID IGNORANT owner

[riggofan]

So, I know Snyder is a cancer. And Shanahan is a terrible coach who lucked his way into two super bowl rings. Oh and Keith Burns sucks.

But did anybody see Bacarri Rambo's "tackle" on Dwayne Bowe's touchdown yesterday?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-high ... -reception

I'm not sure I've ever seen a player run five yards to meet a WR, turn away from him and try to tackle him with his back before.

Situation sucks, but players quit yesterday.

[SkinsJock]

So, I know Snyder is a cancer. And Shanahan is a terrible coach who lucked his way into two super bowl rings. Oh and Keith Burns sucks.

But did anybody see Bacarri Rambo's "tackle" on Dwayne Bowe's touchdown yesterday?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-high ... -reception

I'm not sure I've ever seen a player run five yards to meet a WR, turn away from him and try to tackle him with his back before.

Situation sucks, but players quit yesterday.

thanks riggofan - it needs to be clear

[riggofan]

So, I know Snyder is a cancer. And Shanahan is a terrible coach who lucked his way into two super bowl rings. Oh and Keith Burns sucks.

But did anybody see Bacarri Rambo's "tackle" on Dwayne Bowe's touchdown yesterday?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-high ... -reception

I'm not sure I've ever seen a player run five yards to meet a WR, turn away from him and try to tackle him with his back before.

Situation sucks, but players quit yesterday.

thanks riggofan - it needs to be clear

It seems like that has gotten lost (understandably) because of all the Shanahan noise yesterday. But yeah, I think some of the players did a huge disservice to those fans who went out there yesterday. Meanwhile, the playoff eliminated Minnesota Vikings were up the highway playing with some pride, giving the playoff bound Baltimore Ravens one hell of a game.

[Deadskins]

So, I know Snyder is a cancer. And Shanahan is a terrible coach who lucked his way into two super bowl rings. Oh and Keith Burns sucks.

But did anybody see Bacarri Rambo's "tackle" on Dwayne Bowe's touchdown yesterday?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-high ... -reception

I'm not sure I've ever seen a player run five yards to meet a WR, turn away from him and try to tackle him with his back before.

Situation sucks, but players quit yesterday.

thanks riggofan - it needs to be clear

It seems like that has gotten lost (understandably) because of all the Shanahan noise yesterday. But yeah, I think some of the players did a huge disservice to those fans who went out there yesterday. Meanwhile, the playoff eliminated Minnesota Vikings were up the highway playing with some pride, giving the playoff bound Baltimore Ravens one hell of a game.

+1

[gushogs]

Maybe Irn and Chris you are right. You have to admit though that Shanahan quit, threw in the towel, gave up etc.... Not good. He is nit picking BS because he knows he has failed and tried to save face on his exit, tried to get paid for a year in advance that he doesn't deserve, and last but not least thieving his way out. Even if all the blame is all on Snyder, Shanahans exit is non professional.

Shanny quit last year after starting 3-6. When he trew the towel, I was one who wanted him out right there. The players on pure guts and behind RG3/London/Sanatana's leadership, got the team going all the way to the playoffs. Shanny kept Griffin in when injured, because he was one the leaders of the team that proved Sanny wrong and then we all know what happenned. I also think that Shanny knew RG3 wasn't ready to play at the start of the season, but got him in anyway, with a bunch of guys that could not keep up.

I am one of the Snyder haters since day one, but I think he learned his lesson. Hired a GM, has a "proven, stable" coach, hurts when the team loses and is not afraid to spend the money. I don't blame him for beeing friend with players. Every owner of any kind of company has friends in the staff. It may be a manager, a secretary or a driver and that you cann't change. You have to be able to work with that. That is called authority.

This team is a mess and to think that at the end of the season we'll start over again on the rebuildind crap that's been going on for 21 yrs makes me sick.

HaiL,

[markshark84]

Maybe Irn and Chris you are right. You have to admit though that Shanahan quit, threw in the towel, gave up etc.... Not good. He is nit picking BS because he knows he has failed and tried to save face on his exit, tried to get paid for a year in advance that he doesn't deserve, and last but not least thieving his way out. Even if all the blame is all on Snyder, Shanahans exit is non professional.

Shanny quit last year after starting 3-6. When he trew the towel, I was one who wanted him out right there. The players on pure guts and behind RG3/London/Sanatana's leadership, got the team going all the way to the playoffs. Shanny kept Griffin in when injured, because he was one the leaders of the team that proved Sanny wrong and then we all know what happenned. I also think that Shanny knew RG3 wasn't ready to play at the start of the season, but got him in anyway, with a bunch of guys that could not keep up.

I am one of the Snyder haters since day one, but I think he learned his lesson. Hired a GM, has a "proven, stable" coach, hurts when the team loses and is not afraid to spend the money. I don't blame him for beeing friend with players. Every owner of any kind of company has friends in the staff. It may be a manager, a secretary or a driver and that you cann't change. You have to be able to work with that. That is called authority.

This team is a mess and to think that at the end of the season we'll start over again on the rebuildind crap that's been going on for 21 yrs makes me sick.

HaiL,

I don't think Danny boy learned his lesson. Either that or he's just stupid when it comes to football -- because he basically did the same thing in hiring MS that he did in signing players back in the day: he took an over-the-hill coach in the twilight of his career with no incentive to produce and paid him TONS of cash.

In the NFL, what separates the bad from the good franchises is their ability to identify talent BEFORE others. This franchise needs a young, HUNGRY coach that has something to prove and the talent to back it up....... not some HC that has already won, is looking for a paycheck, and has nothing left to prove.

As far as the RGIII not being ready thing ---- I think EVERYONE knew RGIII wasn't ready. It was obvious after seeing him play week 1. I also think the hostility MS holds towards Snyder has more to do with Snyder's role when RGIII got hurt and starting him week 1 more than playing him in the playoffs or his "star treatment".

[hanburgerheel]

I agree with some of the sentiments above me in the last two posts. Gibbs & Shanahan were not driven to win. They had nothing to prove (it was proven) and no incentive to prove it. They only had a slight pressure of "I don't want to ruin what I've already proven" and that's not what the Redskins need. The same goes for Spurrier. Steve Spurrier had a long trail of success behind him. He had never been an NFL coach, but he didn't really need it or want it. He's still got a shiny legacy and always will. The Redskins job will be forgotten or glossed-over in the history of the game.

Hiring past successes and men who have essentially proven their worth and have nothing more to prove is not going to get you the results you want. Take Art Briles, for example. He's got some good credibility with what he's done at Baylor, but he's not achieved the pinnacle yet, I don't think. If you want to try and integrate a college coach, don't go for someone who has banked their career IN college and no longer need anything else. Leave Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Steve SPurrier where they will flourish...in college football. Chip Kelly is a great example of an ideal choice to bring college football savvy and innovative football playing from college to pro. He's not running Woody Hayes and Bear Bryant schemes. Dick Vermeil was another example of moving a college coach at the right place and right time.

I wouldn't personally be all that excited if Bill Cowher or John Gruden showed up on our sidelines. To me, those guys already have their legacy and fame. They have their nod of approval from the world. They may or may not feel compelled to earn a reputation that they already have earned before. When Joe Gibbs FIRST came to Washington, he wanted that nod of approval and succeeded and got it. Snyder needs to find that guy and stick with him for 4-5 years before he sticks with these retread Already-Famous guys, in my opinion.

[markshark84]

Maybe Irn and Chris you are right. You have to admit though that Shanahan quit, threw in the towel, gave up etc.... Not good. He is nit picking BS because he knows he has failed and tried to save face on his exit, tried to get paid for a year in advance that he doesn't deserve, and last but not least thieving his way out. Even if all the blame is all on Snyder, Shanahans exit is non professional.

I don't blame him for beeing friend with players. Every owner of any kind of company has friends in the staff. It may be a manager, a secretary or a driver and that you cann't change. You have to be able to work with that. That is called authority.

Missed this in my first post:

Hiring friends into administrative positions and PLAYING FAVORITES are two VERY VERY different things.

In sports, the best GMs rarely have close relationships with their players. Most say it makes it difficult to properly evaluate a player based SOLELY on their ability and more difficult to transition them in the event they are not producing.

And playing favorites shows an INABILITY to properly lead. And depending on the situation, hiring unqualified "friends" may be more an ABUSE of authority.