Jim Haslett and the defense or lack there of.....

DaSkinz Baby · Post by **DaSkinz Baby** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:41 am

I have read about every post from cutting various defensive players but I have not seen one post about Jim Haslett. My question is why? if you actually think back to when he was hired as our defensive coordinator what has he done to warrant him still being here? I ask this because he was fired from New Orleans, then fired from St. Louis and Mike Shanahan actually thought that he was going to succeed here? For this team to be in the 4th year of a regime this defense is pathetic, and yes I understand rookies playing I also understand Tanard Jackson getting banned but every year since Haslett has been here it's been one excuse after the next, if it wasn't us needing time to get the right players to switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 it's been injuries or suspensions. Don't good teams whether the storm and prevail? Is it that much of a reasonable expectation for me to expect the same thing? This years defense is the absolute worse! The lack of ability to perform is simply depressing. I for one don't have the faith that Jim Haslett is going to right this ship. I think it's going to get worse and this years defense will be in the record books more than it is already. So I ask you, how many more loses do we have to give? How many more yards and touchdowns do we have to give before Jim Haslett is fired?

DaSkinz Baby · Post by **DaSkinz Baby** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:45 am

In first two games, Matthew Stafford completed 1 of 8 passes on throws of 15-plus yards. On Sunday he was 7-9 for 22.2 yards/attempt.

Jim Haslett's defense makes any other teams offense better. Time to FIRE HIM!!!

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:37 am

No chance

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:25 pm

Great call. I'm sure if we fire Jim Haslett tomorrow, Bacarri Rambo will immediately go from inexperienced rookie to pro bowl caliber tackling machine. London Fletcher will experience an unexplained and miraculous bout of reverse aging. And Darrelle Revis will demand a trade from the Bucs to the Redskins for the league minimum. Problems solved.

What the hell are we waiting for???

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:39 pm

frankcal20 wrote:No chance

Frank,
Are you saying that there is no chance he gets fired now? Or are you saying there is no chance he gets fired at the end of the season? Or are you saying that I'm your opinion he doesn't deserve to get fired?

For me I'm a little biased because I was vehemently opposed to hiring him four years ago. I saw him as a bad DC who had been bad everywhere he went. His only defense that was any good were the years he was in Pittsburg. Those years while on the surface looked good is you look at the defense the years prior to his time and post his tenure his units were the worst of the first ten years Bill Cowher was there.

Now saying that there is no way you can fire him during the season. He needs to be gone at the end of the season. Just like Danny Smith it is time for him to go. But unlike Danny they need to go out and hire a quality replacement (it doesn't look like Burns is a quality replacement for Smith). And as much as I hate it if there isn't a quality replacement then they should keep Haz. However, I can't see how it could be that hard to find an improvement.

With that said, I give Haz credit for trying to make chicken salad with average tasting chicken (I won't go as far add to call the parts we have on D chicken S).

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:26 pm

Can't say what will happen at the end of the year because a lot will based on what happens the rest of the season but as of now, they won't or can't fire Haslett. Maybe during the bye week but I doubt it.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:37 pm

The ONLY way I see Haslett getting fired is if we are 1-8 or 2-7 after half our season is done. Just don't see how firing Haslett is going to make our bum secondary learn how to cover and or tackle.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:41 pm

StorminMormon86 wrote:The ONLY way I see Haslett getting fired is if we are 1-8 or 2-7 after half our season is done. Just don't see how firing Haslett is going to make our bum secondary learn how to cover and or tackle.

Truth. Look, I've been on here sticking up for Haslett this morning, but I do expect that he has to get the defense to play at least A LITTLE better. That's basically what he did last year, right? Our D was terrible to start last season, but they ended up playing at least well enough down the stretch to keep us in games.

If we're giving up 400+ yards every single game this season, Haslett has to take some responsibility and it may be his job.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:43 pm

No doubt. Our defense HAS to show improvement. I think they did show some improvement against the Lions, but it needs to get better and better every week. I have no issue with Haslett. He should not be held responsible for the level of talent that's out there starting every week. That's Shanahan/Allen.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:43 pm

As of right now, if anyone is deserving of getting fired on the defense it's Raheem Morris. The biggest issue is the dbacks which he is directly responsible for but again, I don't think anyone should get fired at this point in the season. Too early and also playing a lot of young players. They'll learn as they get more reps.

rskin72 · Post by **rskin72** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:14 pm

Well, while I am no coach....either we have some of the worst talent on an NFL roster (defensively), or a major part of the problem is that the DC is not creative enough with what he has when gameplanning for an opponent. Heck, I still remember last season when the Bungles first play was a huge TD, and after the game the opposition claimed they knew what our defense would be/do for a particular offensive set.

Heck, we started out games vs the PAck and the Lions on good notes, defensively....then those teams offenses made adjustments, and we did not seem to counter. Our own players have hinted at the same.

Never been a Haz fan...he is NOT a DC guru. Not sure about Morris as I really do not know how much input he has on the overall D playcalling.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:57 pm

Eh f it, fire them both. Then we'll win 13 in a row.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:48 pm

Both MS & Bruce Allen strike me as conservative. So, if a change is made, it will be after the year and not during.

I think he sucks at adjusments, and he is awful on timing his blitzes. I would not shed a tear if he were axed tomorrow. I just doubt it.

DaSkinz Baby · Post by **DaSkinz Baby** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:52 am

In the past decade Hasletts defense has been ranked:27th, 28th, 28th, 31st 31st 21st 21st 22nd and 28th in points allowed. It's pathetic so many fans here think they know what they are talking about and have the stupidity to say that it's the players and not Haslett. This one stat alone is very telling and if we as employee's had ranking this low, we would not get raises and would be fired.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:16 pm

Haslett looks and sound like a defeated man. An idiot even.

http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/Jim-Haslett-Well-Find-a-Way-Out-of-It/1b08e125-7e4b-46b9-b0a9-fc3723730c70

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:56 pm

I'm mad about the 0-3 start too - getting rid of a coach or a player is not making this team 'better' - these guys need to do their 'jobs' - it's not 1 player or 1 coach, it's the whole team
EVERYONE needs to put more effort into practice and on the field

this is a good team - we need to be patient

we are only 2 games down and the season has 13 games left

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:13 am

IF cutting players or firing coaches, would make the team better, it would happen a lot more often ... good FOs find a way AND they don't over-react every time the team goes through hard times

the problem is not simply just the players, or the coaches - this team is losing games because they are not executing the fundamentals as well as they can

these players and coaches can turn this around and they will

by getting rid of components that have been working together to try and turn things around and win some games we would actually be hurting the process of making the team better

thankfully, many here are just fans that really don't have a clue and the guys in charge are not going to do anything like what 'they' think should be done :twisted:

at the right time the FOs will make the hard choices if they need to be made - that time is not now ... :roll:

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:44 am

FWIW, the defense against the Lions put up 7 points to our offense's 13. The defense is not the only cause for concern.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:14 am

Fire Haslett?

Before the season started I knew the secondary would be a cause for concern. It is playing out just about how I thought it would. Terrible.

The issue here is not coaching or play calling, it's simply a personnel problem. We didn't have a good secondary to start the season and we still don't.

Haslett is a good Def coach. But, the coach can only do so much. Guys aren't tackling, blown assignments, pressure early on the QB then fades away.

I have a feeling our personnel issues will be handled this offseason. Right now though we have to weather this storm, hope the offense can get back on track.

This team has been playing from behind all year so far. Once the offense starts playing to their true potential, less pressure will be put on our defense.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:55 am

I wouldn't fire him right now, but I'd bench him and let London Fletcher make the defensive calls. My problem with Haslett is he's not a great defensive mind. He doesn't adjust well or have good timing. He zero blitzes until it gets torched. Then does something else and gets gashed. He's always on his toes because he doesn't seem to dictate his game plan.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:46 am

ATX_Skins wrote:Fire Haslett?

Before the season started I knew the secondary would be a cause for concern. It is playing out just about how I thought it would. Terrible

Haslett is a good Def coach.

First, what makes you say Haz is s good DC? Is that a gut feeling? It certainly isn't of his past body of work which clearly demonstrates he is average at best and that is really stretching it!

So what makes you believe he is good?

Second, this secondary has all of the same staffers from last year except for Madoodoo Williams who add bad as Rambo has been was worse. So I'm assuming you thought last year's secondary was terrible too! I can't really say it wasn't but I just wanted to see if you agree.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:03 pm

We didn't have any money to get anyone in the FA market. We drafted a CB and two Safeties. Unfortunately one of them got hurt (Thomas). There was hope that Merriweather would've come back in better shape and playing ability. Unfortunately that didn't happen and he's on the PS. I would imaging that we will be quite active in the FA market in regards to dbacks in the offseason.

oneman56 · Post by **oneman56** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:13 pm

frankcal20 wrote:We didn't have any money to get anyone in the FA market. We drafted a CB and two Safeties. Unfortunately one of them got hurt (Thomas). There was hope that Merriweather would've come back in better shape and playing ability. Unfortunately that didn't happen and he's on the PS. I would imaging that we will be quite active in the FA market in regards to dbacks in the offseason.

Who are you referring to? Meriweather has played the past 2 weeks.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:47 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:Fire Haslett?

Before the season started I knew the secondary would be a cause for concern. It is playing out just about how I thought it would. Terrible

Haslett is a good Def coach.

First, what makes you say Haz is s good DC? Is that a gut feeling? It certainly isn't of his past body of work which clearly demonstrates he is average at best and that is really stretching it!

So what makes you believe he is good?

Second, this secondary has all of the same staffers from last year except for Madoodoo Williams who add bad as Rambo has been was worse. So I'm assuming you thought last year's secondary was terrible too! I can't really say it wasn't but I just wanted to see if you agree.

Uh yeah, last year's secondary was terrible too for the same reason. Personnel and lack of cap space to do anything about it.

I actually agree with both of you guys. I agree with ATX_Skins that the big issue is personnel on defense. But I also agree that I don't really know if Jim Haslett is a "good" DC or not.

I think if Haslett is really "good", we should expect to see SOME kind of improvement over the next few games. Make some adjustments, motivate guys more, whatever it takes. If we find by week 8 that we're really just going to be giving up 400-500 yards a game, I would hope to see him gone at the end of the season.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:55 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:Fire Haslett?

Before the season started I knew the secondary would be a cause for concern. It is playing out just about how I thought it would. Terrible

Haslett is a good Def coach.

First, what makes you say Haz is s good DC? Is that a gut feeling? It certainly isn't of his past body of work which clearly demonstrates he is average at best and that is really stretching it!

So what makes you believe he is good?

Second, this secondary has all of the same staffers from last year except for Madoodoo Williams who add bad as Rambo has been was worse. So I'm assuming you thought last year's secondary was terrible too! I can't really say it wasn't but I just wanted to see if you agree.

I do think he is a good coach. And yes, that is a gut feeling. As I mentioned previously, this defense has been playing from behind all year so far. Very unlike last year. We had a good defense last year, I believe we can have a good defense this year as well given changes on offense.

What makes me think he is good is the fact that he is still employed in this organization. If he were no good, I don't think he'd still be here. Not with our current leadership at the helm. I like how we have gotten to the QB early and the schemes we run early, but as I also mentioned before that fades away quickly. We have a few guys coming back this week and I believe that will help also.