Garcon - injury Bust....???

[tribeofjudah]

Come on G.

I hope you come back stronger and better than ever.
I hope you are "who we THOUGHT you were"
I hope you're NOT AN INJURY BUST

Come back and help us WIN some games....come on G

Washington Redskins wide receiver Pierre Garcon practiced for the first time in six weeks Monday and said that he saw a fair amount of action, but remained limited by his problematic right toe.

The receiver said he still has some pain in his toe, and doesn’t know whether he can play Sunday against the Philadelphia Eagles, but still wants to avoid surgery.

“It’s not 100 percent, but when I’m out there, I’m just going all out and giving everything I’ve got,” Garcon said. “I did a lot. Didn’t do everything, didn’t take every play. Coach had us on a limited [snap count], getting back from a long break. I didn’t do as much as the guys that have been around the whole seven weeks

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[Chris Luva Luva]

I already know what this thread is going to turn into. So, let me say something logical before it goes down the drain.

It will be disappointing if this injury is one that he'll have to live with for the rest of his life. It's disheartening that it's something he'll personally have to endure. There's no way that the Redskins could have forseen this. For the 1 quarter that he was healthy, he showed why he was aquired. I hope that, he can play well enough for the remainder of the year. And I hope that surgery will rid him of the pain he's feeling.

The guy is an amazing talent. It's sad that this has happened.

[DarthMonk]

I already know what this thread is going to turn into. So, let me say something logical before it goes down the drain.

um .. ok.

It will be disappointing if this injury is one that he'll have to live with for the rest of his life. It's disheartening that it's something he'll personally have to endure. There's no way that the Redskins could have forseen this.

+1

For the 1 quarter that he was healthy, he showed why he was aquired.

+1

I hope that, he can play well enough for the remainder of the year. And I hope that surgery will rid him of the pain he's feeling.

+1

The guy is an amazing talent. It's sad that this has happened.

He is and it really is. In hindsight, IR was the way to go. I might be fulfilling your "prophecy" at the beginning of your post but it seems a little weak of our staff to not really figure out the injury until recently.

I remember watching him run with that catch and hoping the defender wouldn't dive and cause something fluky. Damn!

DarthMonk

[Irn-Bru]

I have a bad feeling about Garcon. He was about as good as we could have done this FA, but you have to wonder whether we'll end up regretting the acquisition.

(I'm not saying we should have known at the time he'd have been this disappointing, nor am I blaming him for the injury.)

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Even being injured he's the best wr on the roster... On top of being rgiiis favorite target.

[Chris Luva Luva]

I have a bad feeling about Garcon. He was about as good as we could have done this FA, but you have to wonder whether we'll end up regretting the acquisition.

(I'm not saying we should have known at the time he'd have been this disappointing, nor am I blaming him for the injury.)

We may, but I won't hold this against Mike. There's nothing he could have done to foresee this event ocurring.

I might be fulfilling your "prophecy" at the beginning of your post but it seems a little weak of our staff to not really figure out the injury until recently.

No, I too have my concerns about how injuries are handled by this staff but I think it's a grass is greener type deal..., maybe. I'm all for intelligent discussion and differing opinions, it's other crap that I foresee coming. LOL

[riggofan]

He is and it really is. In hindsight, IR was the way to go.

Yeah and this stuff about Garcon wanting to avoid surgery doesn't sit well with me either. Maybe he's just spinning it to let the team know he wants be out there. But as much as it sucks, I'd rather see him on the IR, get the injury taken care of and get back healthy as soon as possible rather than continuing to drag this out and end up missing training camp or more next year.

If he can't go vs. the Eagles this week, they should shut him down and make a decision on surgery.

I understand the "bust" label, but like Chris said it wasn't anything foreseeable. A big disappointment either way.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Yeah and this stuff about Garcon wanting to avoid surgery doesn't sit well with me either.

I think at times we gotta realize that an athletes body is his/her "job". Taking a knife to it could cause irreparable harm... Gotta think about it from their perspective. We think about it from a fan's POV, but this is their career. I'm sure if we had to do something that would potentially destroy our careers and source of income, we'd approach it cautiously, no?

If he can't go vs. the Eagles this week, they should shut him down and make a decision on surgery.

I agree. Or at least come to a conclusion as to what the best course of action will be moving forward.

I understand the "bust" label, but like Chris said it wasn't anything foreseeable. A big disappointment either way.

If he can't go vs. the Eagles this week, they should shut him down and make a decision on surgery.

Definitely.

[riggofan]

I think at times we gotta realize that an athletes body is his/her "job". Taking a knife to it could cause irreparable harm... Gotta think about it from their perspective. We think about it from a fan's POV, but this is their career. I'm sure if we had to do something that would potentially destroy our careers and source of income, we'd approach it cautiously, no?

Totally true, CLL. I'm no doctor and have no idea of the risks involved with that type of surgery. Just looking at it in light of past experience with guys like Brown and Landry. Hopefully its not something that has to drag out like that.

[Chris Luva Luva]

I think at times we gotta realize that an athletes body is his/her "job". Taking a knife to it could cause irreparable harm... Gotta think about it from their perspective. We think about it from a fan's POV, but this is their career. I'm sure if we had to do something that would potentially destroy our careers and source of income, we'd approach it cautiously, no?

Totally true, CLL. I'm no doctor and have no idea of the risks involved with that type of surgery. Just looking at it in light of past experience with guys like Brown and Landry. Hopefully its not something that has to drag out like that.

I hope a conclusion can be reached that is in everyone best interest. But first and foremost, I wish him the best. He's not a selfish guy, he's not here for the money. I feel bad for this guy. I feel bad for the coaches.

If he can endure the pain and not further injury himself. A 70% Garcon is better than a 100% Hankerson.

[langleyparkjoe]

I already know what this thread is going to turn into. So, let me say something logical before it goes down the drain.

It will be disappointing if this injury is one that he'll have to live with for the rest of his life. It's disheartening that it's something he'll personally have to endure. There's no way that the Redskins could have forseen this. For the 1 quarter that he was healthy, he showed why he was aquired. I hope that, he can play well enough for the remainder of the year. And I hope that surgery will rid him of the pain he's feeling.

The guy is an amazing talent. It's sad that this has happened.

Well, no need for me to chime in.. except to say that I'm not gonna chime in by actually doing so. Well said CLL.

[tribeofjudah]

He is and it really is. In hindsight, IR was the way to go.

Yeah and this stuff about Garcon wanting to avoid surgery doesn't sit well with me either. Maybe he's just spinning it to let the team know he wants be out there. But as much as it sucks, I'd rather see him on the IR, get the injury taken care of and get back healthy as soon as possible rather than continuing to drag this out and end up missing training camp or more next year.

If he can't go vs. the Eagles this week, they should shut him down and make a decision on surgery.

I understand the "bust" label, but like Chris said it wasn't anything foreseeable. A big disappointment either way.

What sucks is that this is reminiscent of the LL injury and "NOT WANTING" to have surgery. Is it SPIN or TRUTH...???

The Spin Doctors and decision making on this team regarding injuries, rehab staff, etc.....leads to some head scratching...!!!

[DaSkinz Baby]

It would seem that they can put a man on the moon, and there is nothing that can be done for a sore toe? Seems to me something is very wrong and if the toe hurts that much CUT IT OFF........We have games to win..............................42 million for 1 toe is a good trade off don't you think???

[Chris Luva Luva]

It would seem that they can put a man on the moon, and there is nothing that can be done for a sore toe? Seems to me something is very wrong and if the toe hurts that much CUT IT OFF........We have games to win..............................42 million for 1 toe is a good trade off don't you think???

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[langleyparkjoe]

It would seem that they can put a man on the moon, and there is nothing that can be done for a sore toe? Seems to me something is very wrong and if the toe hurts that much CUT IT OFF........We have games to win..............................42 million for 1 toe is a good trade off don't you think???

[The Hogster]

Dear Pierre, get the dang surgery.

I'm no physician, but I read about Plantar Plate Tears and based on Garcon's toughness, and his inability to "tolerate the pain" he should probably stop waiting for it to heal and get the surgery. This kind of injury could never heal on it's own. And, some people with it untreated find that their toe becomes deformed as the ligament gives way and totally destabilizes the toe.

Dude said yesterday that he's scared of surgery because he'll be "under anesthesia for a long time" and won't know what's going on. SMH

Dude, you don't know what's going on now which is why it's Week 10 and you're still crying that it hurts.

I doubt this will magically heal before the last 7 weeks. He's gonna either have to play through it or get the surgery.

This is what is torn on Pierre:


The plantar ligament holds the toe in place, basically stabilizing it.
If the ligament ruptures and destabilizes the toe, it can look like this. Deformity occurs because the ligament holding the toe in place is torn off.



Surgery repairs the torn ligament so that the toe heals and remains stable.




When you play football for a living, you can't avoid this surgery just because you don't like being under anesthesia. Get the dang surgery.

See Pierre's interview on his toe here.
http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/Pierre-Garcon-11-12/ea8a5e72-280a-497c-bad5-f4ea5ec70b2d

[langleyparkjoe]

Dude said yesterday that he's scared of surgery because "he'll be under anesthesia" and won't "know what's going on." SMH

Dude, you don't know what's going on now which is why it's Week 10 and you're still crying that it hurts.

You da man Hogster

[The Hogster]

Dude said yesterday that he's scared of surgery because "he'll be under anesthesia" and won't "know what's going on." SMH

Dude, you don't know what's going on now which is why it's Week 10 and you're still crying that it hurts.

You da man Hogster

I'm getting annoyed with these guys. I understand that it's their bodies, and you can't force anyone to get surgery. But, if a physician with 4 years of college, 4 years of med school, 4-8 years of residency, and many years of experience tells you that you need surgery to heal correctly, then why would you refuse, when you majored in pigskin and have no idea what you're talking about. Lavar did this, Laron did this, and now Pierre. You can't "go by feel" with this kind of injury because the only way for it to heal is to rest it. And, the only way to tell if it's healing is to run on it. SMH It might feel good after an offseason of rest. But, come training camp we'll be right back where we are now when he realizes it's still torn or worse ruptured.

If doctors can repair ACLs MCLs PCLs Achilles tendons, and just about everything else. Then let them fix your toe ligament dude. They actually know what they're doing and can look at the ligament to tell whether it's healing or not. I wonder where Adrian Peterson would be if he said, he was just going to let it heal. My fiance delivers babies. Sure, women could do it on their own. But why?

[Chris Luva Luva]

Dude said yesterday that he's scared of surgery because "he'll be under anesthesia" and won't "know what's going on." SMH

Dude, you don't know what's going on now which is why it's Week 10 and you're still crying that it hurts.

You da man Hogster

I'm getting annoyed with these guys. I understand that it's their bodies, and you can't force anyone to get surgery. But, if a physician with 4 years of college, 4 years of med school, 4-8 years of residency, and many years of experience tells you that you need surgery to heal correctly, then why would you refuse, when you majored in pigskin and have no idea what you're talking about. Lavar did this, Laron did this, and now Pierre. You can't "go by feel" with this kind of injury because the only way for it to heal is to rest it. And, the only way to tell if it's healing is to run on it. SMH It might feel good after an offseason of rest. But, come training camp we'll be right back where we are now when he realizes it's still torn or worse ruptured.

If doctors can repair ACLs MCLs PCLs Achilles tendons, and just about everything else. Then let them fix your toe ligament dude. They actually know what they're doing and can look at the ligament to tell whether it's healing or not. I wonder where Adrian Peterson would be if he said, he was just going to let it heal. My fiance delivers babies. Sure, women could do it on their own. But why?

LOL, I didn't read that. Yeah, he's gonna have to man up about that.

[SkinsJock]

IF the reason for not following the Dr's recommendation is "I'm not comfortable with anesthesia... " and the team has allowed this guy to be here and obviously not be able to contribute

that is just wrong on both sides

Mike for allowing it to go on knowing the guy would most likely NOT be able to be completely healed without surgery
and
the player for not doing it



C'MON MAN - get him out of here

the WR's here have a great opportunity and they're not taking advantage of it

[Deadskins]

Someone sneak up behind him with chloroform on a rag...

[tribeofjudah]

IF the reason for not following the Dr's recommendation is "I'm not comfortable with anesthesia... " and the team has allowed this guy to be here and obviously not be able to contribute

that is just wrong on both sides

Mike for allowing it to go on knowing the guy would most likely NOT be able to be completely healed without surgery
and
the player for not doing it



C'MON MAN - get him out of here

the WR's here have a great opportunity and they're not taking advantage of it

We talkin....anesthesia? anesthesia? We talkin bout anesthesia (ala Iverson about practice)

Dude.....anesthesia happens EVERY DAY in dental offices. Same thing Garcon, come ON NOW...!!!

[Irn-Bru]

Now I'm thinking what will happen is this: Garcon toys around with the idea of playing for the next seven weeks, taking maybe 10 snaps without any positive results. Then in the offseason he'll take it real easy, coming into camp in so-so shape, but swearing that his toe feels good. In week 2 of preseason something snaps, he's off to IR, and Garcon finally agrees to have the surgery that it sounds like he should already have had by now . . . and we won't see him take the field until September 2014.

[tribeofjudah]

Now I'm thinking what will happen is this: Garcon toys around with the idea of playing for the next seven weeks, taking maybe 10 snaps without any positive results. Then in the offseason he'll take it real easy, coming into camp in so-so shape, but swearing that his toe feels good. In week 2 of preseason something snaps, he's off to IR, and Garcon finally agrees to have the surgery that it sounds like he should already have had by now . . . and we won't see him take the field until September 2014.

Booo.....and BINGO....!!! So sad how "this" happens in this organization more frequently than we would like.

[DarthMonk]

Now I'm thinking what will happen is this: Garcon toys around with the idea of playing for the next seven weeks, taking maybe 10 snaps without any positive results. Then in the offseason he'll take it real easy, coming into camp in so-so shape, but swearing that his toe feels good. In week 2 of preseason something snaps, he's off to IR, and Garcon finally agrees to have the surgery that it sounds like he should already have had by now . . . and we won't see him take the field until September 2014.

So wrong but so right.

I once broke my wrist. The knife was suggested. I was "afraid." We tried a cast and took another look a week later. He said it was not healing properly, advised surgery, and mentioned I'd not need a cast.

Say wah?

Got the surgery and was playing guitar in TWO DAYS (broken wrist on fretting hand)!!

Get the feakin' surgery, dude!

DarthMonk