Coughlin gets extended - are he or the giants going anywhere

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:23 pm

let me start off by stating that I hate the pukes and the giants

the good news IMHO is that the giants just signed coughlin to an extension

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/1928 ... ith-giants

I'm not a fan of the guy as a man ... AND ... I know that Mike's record is not there yet but IMO he's the best of the 4

1 - MS - Redskins
2 - AR - eagles
3 - TC - giants
4 - JG - pukes

just my opinion - I do agree that Mike needs to make things happen here and I think he get's the time to do it

I'll say that by the end of 2013 season - there is no doubt that we have another great HC in old DC

andyjens89 · Post by **andyjens89** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:05 pm

Shanahan - 157-119 (.569); 8-5 (.615); 2 Super Bowl Championships

Reid - 126-81-1 (.609); 10-9 (.526); 0 Super Bowl Championships

Coughlin - 142-114 (.555); 11-7 (.611); 2 Super Bowl Championships

Garrett - 13-11 (.542); 0-0 (.000); 0 Super Bowl Championships

Those are the numbers :wink:

andyjens89 · Post by **andyjens89** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:08 pm

Oh, and just for giggles:

Gibbs - 154-94 (.621); 17-7 (.708); 3 Super Bowl Championships

The only time he ever had double-digit loss seasons were in 2004 and 2006, obviously bringing his career winning percent down.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:21 pm

Let's not base this convo on past jobs.. so with that said lets look at the NFC East as it really is and let's exclude Garrett.

Between the 3 coaches, Filly/NY/Skins.. shanahan is LAST!

1- Coughlin
2- Reid
3- Shanahan

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:28 pm

langleyparkjoe wrote:Between the 3 coaches, Filly/NY/Skins.. shanahan is LAST!

In their current job, or their careers?

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:54 pm

We've all seen what's happened the past few years - the record is there - that is about to change over the next 32 regular season games

I'm predicting that by the end of 2013 it will be obvious that we have the best HC in the NFC East

There was an old saying that went something like : a good coach would win games with his players OR with your players

I do not believe that Andy, Tom or Jason could do as good a job with these players as Mike has done

this franchise was a mess with no way to make it better - I doubt that Mike would have taken the job if he knew then what he knows now

we shall see :lol:

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:55 pm

sorry - could not delete :oops:

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:13 pm

Coughlin has to be tops in the East. "What have you done for me lately..."

SouthLondonRedskin · Post by **SouthLondonRedskin** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:17 pm

Can you really just go by records alone???

You have to factor the circumstances the coaches find themselves in and the rosters they haveinto the equation.

On the basis that Reid has a 'Dream Team' of superstars, then how is he a better coach than Shanny...???

Would Shanny do a better job than Reid with that Eagle squad...? I believe so. Would Reid get more than 5 wins out of that Redskin team last season with all the injuries and suspensions they had...??? I don't think so.

Shanny also turned Coughlin over twice last year, so tactically maybe he has an edge there. I mean, we didn't beat them the way the cowpats beat us, we outplayed them. Twice. Hopefully we'll see next year that it was no fluke when we've improved and done them twice again even though they will be up for revenge.

And as for that lemon in Texas, forget about it! Shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as MS.

I'd stick with our guy over the other three every day of the week, but I wouldn't mind a good dose of Coughlin's luck to go with it!

C'MON YOU SKINS!!!

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:06 pm

For me it goes in this order:
#1 Cauglin - two SB on his current team, took another to AFC Championship
#2 Shanny - two SB with past team, nothing yet with new team, but building
# 3 Reid - zero SB, but tons of payoff and regular season success. However, I think he is one more bad season from saying frak this
# 4 RHSC - No success at all with a ton of talent.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:16 pm

See that's it - Coughlin's teams did win 2 .... but were they the best teams

Couhlin was very lucky to have 2 incredible plays happen at a very opportune time

last year the giants were 7-6 and really needing a win - here's the really hopeless Redskins - they lose

give me a break - if you're a really good coach you win that game

end of story

let's look at where the giants are in 2013 and where the Redskins are in the standings

I'll be here

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:21 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:For me it goes in this order:
#1 Cauglin - two SB on his current team, took another to AFC Championship
#2 Shanny - two SB with past team, nothing yet with new team, but building
# 3 Reid - zero SB, but tons of payoff and regular season success. However, I think he is one more bad season from saying frak this
# 4 RHSC - No success at all with a ton of talent.

and where do you project the order to be at the end of 2013

I have no problem looking back and seeing what has happened :roll:

who cares - that's done :roll:

my point is - who would you rather have as HC at the end of 2013

I think it's fairly obvious

but then - I'm biased and we do have RGIII :twisted:

there's no doubt about which team will have the best QB at the end od 2013 ....... is there :lol:

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:11 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
my point is - who would you rather have as HC at the end of 2013

I think it's fairly obvious

but then - I'm biased and we do have RGIII

there's no doubt about which team will have the best QB at the end od 2013 ....... is there

Of course i would rather have MS at the end of 2013, because he is the coach now and I don't want any more coaching changes.

However, I would have rather have had TC for the past however long he had been in NY, instead of the half dozen coaches we have had.

I can't believe you said the Giants won those two SB based on two lucky plays. Yes they had two plays that were big time plays (only one I would call lucky), but that doesn't make them lucky wins. They were the better team both times they played the Patriots.

Since I'm not physic a can't say who will be the best QB in the division in 2013 but if you want me to guess I would say it will probably still be Eli. But of course I really hope it is RG3. I know it won't be Vick or Homo.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:47 am

skinsfan#33 wrote:I can't believe you said the Giants won those two SB based on two lucky plays. Yes they had two plays that were big time plays (only one I would call lucky), but that doesn't make them lucky wins. They were the better team both times they played the Patriots.

That's debatable, especially the first time. I think they had a very large amount of luck just to get them to the big game both times, also. Not any one play here or there, though.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:56 am

Deadskins wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:I can't believe you said the Giants won those two SB based on two lucky plays. Yes they had two plays that were big time plays (only one I would call lucky), but that doesn't make them lucky wins. They were the better team both times they played the Patriots.

That's debatable, especially the first time. I think they had a very large amount of luck just to get them to the big game both times, also. Not any one play here or there, though.

Of course it is debatable, especially that first one, but they were the team that won. Sure they had some lucky plays, but they also had many more plays where they simply out played the Pats. Most games where teams are evenly matched the outcome comes down to a part our two.

It wasn't a fluke they beat the Pats, remember they should have or at least could have beaten the Pats the final regular season game, so they were definitely capable of beating them and didn't need to luck box into a win.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:20 am

That was my point. I'm not saying they shouldn't have won the SB game, or that either game hinged on a single play, more that they were lucky to even be in the game in the first place. Although that first one did have the one play where Eli should have been sacked, and then Tyree (sp?) caught the ball against his helmet.
But the Patsies played really poorly both times, and the playoffs fell perfectly for the G-strings both times, giving them the best matchups.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:39 am

I did not mean to imply that the giants were lucky to win based on a lucky play in each game

I do feel that the Patriots were better teams during both seasons - they got outplayed in both games

I do not think the giants were the best team in the NFL for those 2 seasons

there are many Super Bowl winners that just happened to be better or play better on that day - that's fine with me

I also feel that there are many coaches that would have done a better job with the same group of players that Coughlin had

basically this thread is based on my feeling that Coughlin would not handle this franchise as well as Mike will - that's all

like I said - the Redskins wins and losses have not been good but that is about to change and by the end of 2013 there will be no doubt who is the better coach in the NFC East

I'll even predict that Coughlin will not win another Super Bowl - Mike has a better chance of that happening

I just don't like that beady eyed little sucker - never have - I'm really glad he's the giants coach - he's a rodent :lol:

conversely - I don't like the eagles but I do respect Reid as a HC

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:05 am

I was speaking of them coaching the NFC East, nothing from their past teams.

Right now, MS isn't hacking it compared to the other two.

Yes yes, of course he hasn't been here long enough to get his players and this may be the first year we see his full plan.. that's not my point.

My point is from the time they touched down in the NFC East.... 1- coughlin, 2- reed, 3- shanahan

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:12 am

Right now, coughlin, reid, shanny, and whoever is coaching here in Texas.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:28 am

ATX_Skins wrote:Right now, coughlin, reid, shanny, and whoever is coaching here in Texas.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:25 pm

that's what I said - the past record is the past - nothing changes it

and .... who cares, it's done - 3 cheers for the idiot rodent in NY :roll:

Coughlin just got a 2 year extension that I will agree he deserves .... but

I like the fact that a guy I do not think is a good coach is going to be there for a couple of years

he will get to experience ( & help through his not being a good HC :wink:

) the rise of the B&G :lol:

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:36 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
I just don't like that beady eyed little sucker - never have - I'm really glad he's the giants coach - he's a rodent

conversely - I don't like the eagles but I do respect Reid as a HC

It is funny I didn't want Shanny at first either because he lood like a rat with a fake tan. I'm over that now (still think he looks like a 1st with a fake tan, but respect him as a coach and GM), but one thing big blue's vermin looking coach has is a proven franchise QB. We have a guy that should become a franchise QB, key word is should.

The blue rat also has an owner that can arbitrarily punish two of his division rivals w/o any legitimate reason, even if they didn't do anything wrong! That is a serious advantage.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:37 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
I just don't like that beady eyed little sucker - never have - I'm really glad he's the giants coach - he's a rodent

conversely - I don't like the eagles but I do respect Reid as a HC

It is funny I didn't want Shanny at first either because he lood like a rat with a fake tan. I'm over that now (still think he looks like a 1st with a fake tan, but respect him as a coach and GM), but one thing big blue's vermin looking coach has is a proven franchise QB. We have a guy that should become a franchise QB, key word is should.

The blue rat also has an owner that can arbitrarily punish two of his division rivals w/o any legitimate reason, even if they didn't do anything wrong! That is a serious advantage.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:39 pm

^^ I'll admit to being biased about anything to do with the trash in blue

it took forever for me to even grudgingly admit that Eli could play - I still have trouble agreeing that he's a good QB - he is :roll:

I cannot wait to have the best QB in the NFC East and that should be the case by December 2013

and

while I still don't like OR trust the man - Mike Shanahan should be clearly the best HC in the NFC East

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:45 pm

*good qb. Yes. Great amazing elite? Non of the above. His receivers have carried him most if not all of their winning seasons. That same pass that salsa Cruz cought is dropped or ob by a large majority of receivers. I personally thought it was bobbling around and not a catch.

Oh and... Id take shanny and co over any other coaching staff in the east. I hope he proves why sooner then later but for what he was handed to what we now have speaks enough for the guy