Impact of the Cap Case Dismissal

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Wed May 23, 2012 7:08 am

Not as bad as we might have feared?

http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... ophe-.html

1niksder is the one with most insight around here on this issue, but it does look as though the sky is NOT about to fall in. The work done by the front office (yes Jock, the front office!) to reduce dead cap money has been huge. The drafting of so many players in the last two drafts in particular has left us well placed (assuming that a decent number of this year's picks make the roster of course) We've been able to achieve as much as anybody in the offseason so far, and there are options available if we need to create more space.

So, let's just stick two fingers up to the NFL, and start winning some football games.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:01 am

I dont see the impact being disruptive. If we went into this year with our current squad, I'd be happy.

Next year, Fred Davis may be the only person who commands a big contract. Hall, Moss and Cooley may restructure or be cut. We may be limited in FA, but I'm sure they'll draft well again...

It'll be alright. Big spending hasn't won us anything before, so a lack of funds at worst won't change the result we've been getting. However, we're doing things different and better and it's those alterations that I believe will make the difference.

cleg · Post by **cleg** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:51 am

I agree with CLL. Time to put the past behind and deal with the mistakes. I think since Shanny and Allen have come to town things are moving in the right direction. Big spending never worked so build through the draft and smart FA like the last couple years. I am convinced this team has turned the corner and will be a force to deal with shortly. After 20 years in the wilderness we have found the path to salvation and it is rightous.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed May 23, 2012 11:05 am

In life, you get dealt an unfair at times and you gotta suck it up. It happens to us all. What separates people is how they absorb the hit and move past it.

If they want to make the league pay for it, cause Goodell to hand that Lombardi over to us. That'll be a greater satisfaction than winning some money back.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Wed May 23, 2012 11:49 am

It's certainly clear that, for the Redskins, the damage was well managed, and free agency was profitable, despite Mara's sabotage. However, the team was forced to scale back on the scope of it's shopping...

None the less, I'm sure that Mara is some frustrated that the DC team did not suffer greatly from this corrupt theft of team resources. Dallas does appear to have been pretty well hurt, though, suffering some losses, and having to use future cap to offset. Well played by the skins FO.

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Wed May 23, 2012 11:57 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:If they want to make the league pay for it, cause Goodell to hand that Lombardi over to us. That'll be a greater satisfaction than winning some money back.

It is a heartwarming image: Goodell looking grimfaced, compelled to hand over the Lombardi trophy to Dan Snyder. If I was Dan, I'd refuse to take it from Goodell, ask him to place it on the floor, and then take a dump on it.

But then I am a bitter minded and vindictive individual.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed May 23, 2012 12:07 pm

UK Skins Fan wrote:But then I am a bitter minded and vindictive individual.

Then we are similar.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Wed May 23, 2012 12:22 pm

I agree with all of the comments and the original article. None of it changes the fact that the team got royally hosed just hours before the start of free agency. We have no choice but to move on, but I don't see any reason we should think of this as a positive.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Wed May 23, 2012 2:32 pm

riggofan wrote:I agree with all of the comments and the original article. None of it changes the fact that the team got royally hosed just hours before the start of free agency. We have no choice but to move on, but I don't see any reason we should think of this as a positive.

No one will dispute that the team got royally screwed... but, you MUST view the fact that this FO was able to continue to march, and make effective decisions in the face of this as a huge positive. Cerrato would have totally screwed it up...

OTOH, I can only imagine what the team would have done in FA with another 16 million to play with...

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Wed May 23, 2012 4:21 pm

UK Skins Fan wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:If they want to make the league pay for it, cause Goodell to hand that Lombardi over to us. That'll be a greater satisfaction than winning some money back.
It is a heartwarming image: Goodell looking grimfaced, compelled to hand over the Lombardi trophy to Dan Snyder. If I was Dan, I'd refuse to take it from Goodell, ask him to place it on the floor, and then take a dump on it.

But then I am a bitter minded and vindictive individual.

No, he should take a dump n Roger

rskin72 · Post by **rskin72** » Wed May 23, 2012 4:28 pm

Maybe one day soon Allen or Shanahan will discuss this event, and the actual impact on the team/FA this season. Also I would be interested in the conversation back when Allen decided to make those moves in 2010 that led to this issue. Am pretty sure that the moves were not only sent to the league office, but also discussed with the owner, who supposedly was part of that secret handshake with other owners concerning the salary cap in the uncapped season. What, if anything, did Snyder say back then? Who decided to roll the dice?

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Wed May 23, 2012 4:59 pm

Countertrey wrote:
riggofan wrote:I agree with all of the comments and the original article. None of it changes the fact that the team got royally hosed just hours before the start of free agency. We have no choice but to move on, but I don't see any reason we should think of this as a positive.
No one will dispute that the team got royally screwed... but, you MUST view the fact that this FO was able to continue to march, and make effective decisions in the face of this as a huge positive. Cerrato would have totally screwed it up...

OTOH, I can only imagine what the team would have done in FA with another 16 million to play with...

This. (sorry southlondon)

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Wed May 23, 2012 5:05 pm

rskin72 wrote:Maybe one day soon Allen or Shanahan will discuss this event, and the actual impact on the team/FA this season. Also I would be interested in the conversation back when Allen decided to make those moves in 2010 that led to this issue. Am pretty sure that the moves were not only sent to the league office, but also discussed with the owner, who supposedly was part of that secret handshake with other owners concerning the salary cap in the uncapped season. What, if anything, did Snyder say back then? Who decided to roll the dice?

How about as part of the 2013 or 2014 Redskin superbowl winning retrospectives on NFL Films?

SouthLondonRedskin · Post by **SouthLondonRedskin** » Wed May 23, 2012 7:10 pm

emoses14 wrote:
Countertrey wrote:
riggofan wrote:I agree with all of the comments and the original article. None of it changes the fact that the team got royally hosed just hours before the start of free agency. We have no choice but to move on, but I don't see any reason we should think of this as a positive.
No one will dispute that the team got royally screwed... but, you MUST view the fact that this FO was able to continue to march, and make effective decisions in the face of this as a huge positive. Cerrato would have totally screwed it up...

OTOH, I can only imagine what the team would have done in FA with another 16 million to play with...
This. (sorry southlondon)

Eh? Wasup??

Did I miss something...?

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Wed May 23, 2012 8:33 pm

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:
emoses14 wrote:
Countertrey wrote: No one will dispute that the team got royally screwed... but, you MUST view the fact that this FO was able to continue to march, and make effective decisions in the face of this as a huge positive. Cerrato would have totally screwed it up...

OTOH, I can only imagine what the team would have done in FA with another 16 million to play with...
This. (sorry southlondon)
Eh? Wasup??

Did I miss something...?

^ This

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:02 pm

I think the cap penalties may have been a blessing in disguise. I think it may have forced our F.O. to focus that much more. In the draft I think we should come out having a solid Oline. While I disagree on the drafting of Cousins. Overall I thought it was a solid draft. Oh and I almost forgot. We now have our future QB in RG3!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyways I think our team is in great shape. The future is bright

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:05 pm

HEROHAMO wrote:I think the cap penalties may have been a blessing in disguise. I think it may have forced our F.O. to focus that much more. In the draft I think we should come out having a solid Oline. While I disagree on the drafting of Cousins. Overall I thought it was a solid draft. Oh and I almost forgot. We now have our future QB in RG3!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyways I think our team is in great shape. The future is bright

There have been years where we've had to make maneuvers to get under the cap, and had losing seasons. Maybe the reverse occurs here. On the bright side, for one--next year we will still be well under the estimated 102 Million Dollar cap that would apply to us (with the reduction). Secondly, we're going to be in great shape after another draft, and the following year of Free Agency where our cap position should be even better.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Thu May 24, 2012 1:41 am

Most definatley. Just imagine if we had these cap penalties and Cerratto was running the show? I cant even begin to think of what the team would look like. Cerratto most likely would have signed a very old free agent and over paid him.

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Thu May 24, 2012 6:19 am

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:
emoses14 wrote:
Countertrey wrote: No one will dispute that the team got royally screwed... but, you MUST view the fact that this FO was able to continue to march, and make effective decisions in the face of this as a huge positive. Cerrato would have totally screwed it up...

OTOH, I can only imagine what the team would have done in FA with another 16 million to play with...
This. (sorry southlondon)
Eh? Wasup??

Did I miss something...?

As per the other thread, they've got the wrong damn person SLR!

It's ok, I've only been here for years, so I'm not in the slightest bit offended, lol. To have more than one UK based fan is just too much for these guys to handle

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu May 24, 2012 8:26 am

UK Skins Fan wrote:To have more than one UK based fan is just too much for these guys to handle

More than one? Oh yeah, I had forgotten about Manchester Redskin.

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Thu May 24, 2012 9:50 am

UK Skins Fan wrote:
SouthLondonRedskin wrote:
emoses14 wrote: This. (sorry southlondon)

Eh? Wasup??

Did I miss something...?
As per the other thread, they've got the wrong damn person SLR!

It's ok, I've only been here for years, so I'm not in the slightest bit offended, lol. To have more than one UK based fan is just too much for these guys to handle

My bad.

All you other side of the ponders look the same to me!

SouthLondonRedskin · Post by **SouthLondonRedskin** » Thu May 24, 2012 12:18 pm

emoses14 wrote:My bad.

All you other side of the ponders look the same to me!

Oh do we!

Well you bloody ignorant Canadians make me sick!!!!

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun May 27, 2012 8:14 pm

The Hogster wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:I think the cap penalties may have been a blessing in disguise. I think it may have forced our F.O. to focus that much more. In the draft I think we should come out having a solid Oline. While I disagree on the drafting of Cousins. Overall I thought it was a solid draft. Oh and I almost forgot. We now have our future QB in RG3!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyways I think our team is in great shape. The future is bright
There have been years where we've had to make maneuvers to get under the cap, and had losing seasons. Maybe the reverse occurs here. On the bright side, for one--next year we will still be well under the estimated 102 Million Dollar cap that would apply to us (with the reduction). Secondly, we're going to be in great shape after another draft, and the following year of Free Agency where our cap position should be even better.

Actually they are already roughly $12M over that number....

$\:D/$ Just like old times $\:D/$

The old times weren't good times

They could cut Moss, Hall, and Cooley after this year and be $2,259,000 under the cap going into the new season.

rskin72 · Post by **rskin72** » Sun May 27, 2012 11:48 pm

Depressing cap news 1niksder. Looks more to me like potentially 15mil over....and nothing done long term w davis, and i think orakpo is up as well for a new contract. Amazing how much trent williams is getting.

Think that salary chart makes the strongest case yet concerning just how much longer the three players u mentioned will be wearing burgundy and gold. Almost makes you start to think about the possibility of trades maybe for draft picks......especially if competition shows other players at comparable skill levels, but with far less of a price tag.

Was at a bbq today talking a bit about the Skins and this season.....kinda soured my mood reading that....of course, at is why we have Bruce Allen to figure a path ahead for us.

SouthLondonRedskin · Post by **SouthLondonRedskin** » Mon May 28, 2012 4:01 am

1niksder wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:I think the cap penalties may have been a blessing in disguise. I think it may have forced our F.O. to focus that much more. In the draft I think we should come out having a solid Oline. While I disagree on the drafting of Cousins. Overall I thought it was a solid draft. Oh and I almost forgot. We now have our future QB in RG3!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyways I think our team is in great shape. The future is bright
There have been years where we've had to make maneuvers to get under the cap, and had losing seasons. Maybe the reverse occurs here. On the bright side, for one--next year we will still be well under the estimated 102 Million Dollar cap that would apply to us (with the reduction). Secondly, we're going to be in great shape after another draft, and the following year of Free Agency where our cap position should be even better.
Actually they are already roughly $12M over that number....

$\:D/$ Just like old times $\:D/$

The old times weren't good times

They could cut Moss, Hall, and Cooley after this year and be $2,259,000 under the cap going into the new season.

Realistically speaking, I think Moss is in his final year here anyhow. He'll be 32 or 33 next season I believe, Hankerson and Armstrong (if he's still here) will be that much older, Garcon and Morgan will have established themselves, the need for Moss shrinks dramatically.

Cooley has to have an effective season and show his injury woes are behind him. Not only remain fit but offer quality support to Davis. He has the Redsins in his heart, if he stays fit and is effective he will stay in my opinion, but only because he'll be OK to restructure his contract.

Hall is at make or break time. Again. With a new DBs coach and some competition here at last he HAS to show he is the team's number 1 CB to justify his money.

If Chase is fit and does well I think he breaks into the team at some point this season, through injury or poor form and either Wilson or Hall would have to give way. If Chase looks as good as we hope and Wilson remains steady then Hall could be out on the basis of his contract alone unless he has a pro bowl year (or close to it). And even then they could trade him.

In my opinion we wont see those three players in the B&G in 2013. If the team continues to develop and young players step up then all three will be deemed expendable, but the cap issue will force their hands obviously.