Trent Williams and Fred Davis test positive

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:56 am

Two players involved in Yahoo report Saturday about 11 players facing discipline for testing positive are TE Fred Davis, OT Trent Williams.

Per Adam Schefter's twitter

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:08 pm

positive for what?

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:22 pm

Hopefully just cold medicine.

NYFINESTSKINSFAN · Post by **NYFINESTSKINSFAN** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:24 pm

maybe hep c or tb, who knows. What a quack!

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:43 pm

Recreational drug use

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:40 pm

Is it weed or HGH? The article I read stated that it was HGH... If it's weed? #kanyeshrug It'll be legal eventually anyway.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:08 pm

Probably drinking the Wrecks Kool-Aid.

gregory smith · Post by **gregory smith** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:21 pm

I think Trent Williams is a world class underachiever. He is inconsistent, lazy, out of shape, commits stupid penalties. He makes me sick. We are stuck with him, I suppose, but he is a major disappointment. I would throw him in on the trade offer to move up for Luck, that is if we don't end up in position to draft him outright. Then go buy an offensive line in free agency.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:36 pm

gregory smith wrote:I think Trent Williams is a world class underachiever. He is inconsistent, lazy, out of shape, commits stupid penalties. He makes me sick. We are stuck with him, I suppose, but he is a major disappointment. I would throw him in on the trade offer to move up for Luck, that is if we don't end up in position to draft him outright. Then go buy an offensive line in free agency.

If you pissed into a cup right now, you would test positive.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:51 pm

Idiots... it's unfortunate that common sense isn't mandated to accompany athletic talent.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:54 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Is it weed or HGH? The article I read stated that it was HGH... If it's weed? #kanyeshrug It'll be legal eventually anyway.

At the moment, it is both illegal and banned by the league. They are idiots, and need a good bitch slapping.

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:01 pm

gregory smith wrote:I think Trent Williams is a world class underachiever. He is inconsistent, lazy, out of shape, commits stupid penalties. He makes me sick. We are stuck with him, I suppose, but he is a major disappointment. I would throw him in on the trade offer to move up for Luck, that is if we don't end up in position to draft him outright. Then go buy an offensive line in free agency.

You could be right. I think he is really a RT not LT. If they drafted someone better for the left I think he would dominate. Not sure he is underachieving.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:16 pm

Countertrey wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Is it weed or HGH? The article I read stated that it was HGH... If it's weed? #kanyeshrug It'll be legal eventually anyway.

At the moment, it is both illegal and banned by the league. They are idiots, and need a good bitch slapping.

It's banned by the league, but it's not illegal.

Here's one you can get a prescription for made by Novo Nordisk. Here's another made by Pfizer. You can find a bunch others, made by Lilly, Genentech, Sandoz, etc.

Yes, HGH is indicated for children, and usage of it in adults is considered off-label (so a pharma company can't promote that use, but a doc certainly can prescribe it for that), and HGH is considered a controlled substance, but HGH is not expressly illegal like say cocaine is.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:17 pm

I hope it's just weed. I'd much rather that they get caught for some dumb fun than it turn out they were abusing something that the NFL deems is an unfair competitive advantage.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:32 pm

PulpExposure wrote:
Countertrey wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Is it weed or HGH? The article I read stated that it was HGH... If it's weed? #kanyeshrug It'll be legal eventually anyway.

At the moment, it is both illegal and banned by the league. They are idiots, and need a good bitch slapping.

It's banned by the league, but it's not illegal.

Here's one you can get a prescription for made by Novo Nordisk. Here's another made by Pfizer. You can find a bunch others, made by Lilly, Genentech, Sandoz, etc.

Yes, HGH is indicated for children, and usage of it in adults is considered off-label (so a pharma company can't promote that use, but a doc certainly can prescribe it for that), and HGH is considered a controlled substance, but HGH is not expressly illegal like say cocaine is.

First, he suggested two substances.
Except in a few states (MD, VA, DC are not among them) weed is illegal.

LEGALLY, HGH products are only available by prescription. There is a reason that the mechanisms of providing these products are underground... it's unlikely that either had a prescription... and to my knowledge, there is not yet a league and union accepted test for HGH.
Anabolic steroids are also "technically" legal... as long as they are prescribed by a licensed provider, AND administered according to instructions provided by that provider. Otherwise, they are illegal, as well as being banned by the league.

I doubt that they had obtained any of the above products legally.
It's not necessary to offer any further excuses for them... they are, in fact, idiots, REGARDLESS the circumstances around how they obtained any of the above substances. I hope the league nails them hard.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:38 pm

Countertrey wrote:First, he suggested two substances.

And I fail at reading comprehension. Duh. Sorry.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:48 pm

Trent Williams is a dolt.

Paralis · Post by **Paralis** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:53 pm

It's not HGH, as a) the NFL doesn't currently test for it; b) it would violate the policy on PEDs, not the substance abuse policy.

But yeah, total idiots. Only upside here is re: Davis. First violation of the substance abuse policy is probation, and second is four games. Officially these things are supposed to be kept confidential, particularly the first strike. So there's some potential that this helps in contract negotiations by depressing his market value.

Unless of course it's not his first strike, in which case... ugh.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:07 am

I gather the 'details' are not clear yet

we do not need ANY players that make stupid choices that can potentially hurt the team in ANY way

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:08 am

Has anyone confirmed if it was weed or roids or something else?

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:18 am

Maybe Trent Williams was high when he missed that email on player workouts.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:52 am

Look at what we've been reduced to. The two best offensive players on the team get slapped with substance violations and we're all like "Oh man, I hope it's just weed and not something more serious!"

It's marijuana they test positive for then I'd still be angry about it. Regardless of what you think its harmful effects are, or if it should be legal, it shows a severe lack of maturity. These aren't 60 year old hippies battling glaucoma they're professional athletes.

If Davis or Williams were testing positive for pot they need to get read the riot act and benched for the rest of the season. Grow the hell up.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:53 am

SkinsJock wrote:I gather the 'details' are not clear yet

we do not need ANY players that make stupid choices that can potentially hurt the team in ANY way

Good luck fielding an NFL roster.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:18 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:I gather the 'details' are not clear yet

we do not need ANY players that make stupid choices that can potentially hurt the team in ANY way

Good luck fielding an NFL roster.

Point taken, but I don't think you shouldn't strive for the ideal. Yeah, you're gonna have some immature jocks in the NFL but you need to avoid signing idiots and try to attract veteran leadership to keep the rest in line.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:38 am

Ummmm....

So before you guys go jumping off of a ledge, has this even been shown to be a legit case yet?