2-14 = Andrew Luck Our Future QB
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Hey RedskinsRule - I have a suggestion for you - BEFORE THE NEXT HOME GAME
pm LPJ and give him your seat #
OR - better yet (you most likely don't want to pay to go to the game)
arrange to go have a discussion with him pre-game about how great it's going to be to lose 14 games and have a shot at getting Andrew Luck
please get in touch with LPJ - it'll change your life - GUARANTEED
pm LPJ and give him your seat #
OR - better yet (you most likely don't want to pay to go to the game)
arrange to go have a discussion with him pre-game about how great it's going to be to lose 14 games and have a shot at getting Andrew Luck
please get in touch with LPJ - it'll change your life - GUARANTEED
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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Who wouldn't want Andrew Luck?
That's not the point. Fact is, many of us see the Redskins pointed in the right direction for the first time since Joe Gibbs retired (the first time) and the thought of losing 14 games in a season is too much to bear.
Not only is it ridiculously implausible but it wouldn't just mean getting Luck. It would mean Mike Shanahan would be fired and we'd be back at square one. No Redskins fan could possibly want that.
That's not the point. Fact is, many of us see the Redskins pointed in the right direction for the first time since Joe Gibbs retired (the first time) and the thought of losing 14 games in a season is too much to bear.
Not only is it ridiculously implausible but it wouldn't just mean getting Luck. It would mean Mike Shanahan would be fired and we'd be back at square one. No Redskins fan could possibly want that.
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2-14 would require us sucking an order of magnitude more than last year. If we are that bad, Luck would be no help. He would be wasted without a strong supporting cast. Fortunately, we are getting better, not worse. If the Shanallaplan calls for Luck, it will be via trading draft picks. How awesome would it be if the Fat Albert and McTraded picks rolled into part of that package?
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(BTW . . . we have RGIII now)
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(BTW . . . we have RGIII now)
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Re: 2-14
RedskinsRule56 wrote:Andrew Luck here we come!
@ 2-14 we would still have more wins than Cincy and maybe a few other teams.
You can't play for draft position in the NFL. It's as stupid as the subject of this thread
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I don't care what he claims to be - this guy is NOT a fan of the Redskins - NO WAY
I also agree that most would love to get a QB like Andrew Luck but I really cannot see the logic in thinking about or considering that until after the season
I have faith that the FO sees the need for a really good QB and I'm fairly sure that neither Beck or Grossman are going to fill that need
We will find a way to resolve that at the right time
that will most likely happen next year
I also agree that most would love to get a QB like Andrew Luck but I really cannot see the logic in thinking about or considering that until after the season
I have faith that the FO sees the need for a really good QB and I'm fairly sure that neither Beck or Grossman are going to fill that need
We will find a way to resolve that at the right time
that will most likely happen next year
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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I am a diehard Redskins fan. Do not ever question my fanhood. In 2-3 years everyone will be thrilled that in 2011 John Beck led us to 2-14 and landing Andrew Luck. What is one more miserable year for this franchise? Our franchise will have a lot more success for the next 10-15 years building around Andrew Luck then around Matt Barkley or Landry Jones. The next 10-15 years is more important to me then 1 season.
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RedskinsRule56 wrote:Do not ever question my fanhood
No one is "questioning" your fanhood, it's clear you don't have any. It's not a question.
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Why are you fans unable to see the best interest for future success for the Redskins franchise is to land Andrew Luck? Kazoo Skins you do not know me so do not tell me I am not a fan.
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Based on history, this franchise doesn't need a pro bowl QB, we won superbowls with average talent at the helm, and in many supporting positions. Execution, timing, and teamwork are what have worked in the past. The original hogs were throwaway nobodies until they got a chance to work together and under good coaching. Any idiot who would throw a season for draft position doesn't know Murphy's Law. How about finishing 2-14 and reading the next day how Andy L. Lost his right thumb in a weird Margarita blender accident, or decided to forsake football altogether and join the peace corps? Or ending 2-14 and losing out on Luck to 1-15 Seattle?or getting him and having him be a bust?
Ridiculous idea.
Ridiculous idea.
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(BTW . . . we have RGIII now)
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HarleyHog we won SB's before the Free Agency Era. That is a dumb argument. Look at the SB winning QB's since 1993. I do not need to go over this list again.
Favre
Elway (2)
Aikman (3)
Brees
Rodgers
Roethlisberger (2)
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Trent Dilfer
Kurt Warner
Steve Young
Brady(3)
Notice the trend?
Favre
Elway (2)
Aikman (3)
Brees
Rodgers
Roethlisberger (2)
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Trent Dilfer
Kurt Warner
Steve Young
Brady(3)
Notice the trend?
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If the Bungals get the first pick Luck if he wanted to could pull an Eli Manning and demand to be traded before ever playing for them or if he signs with them once his contract is up he can leave via free agency. The Bungals could try to franchise Luck but it's Andrews decision on whether or not he accepts it.
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RedskinsRule56 wrote:If the Bungals get the first pick Luck if he wanted to could pull an Eli Manning and demand to be traded before ever playing for them or if he signs with them once his contract is up he can leave via free agency. The Bungals could try to franchise Luck but it's Andrews decision on whether or not he accepts it.
Why wouldn't he do the same thing to a team that's dumb enough to throw a season to draft him
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RedskinsRule56 wrote:I am a diehard Redskins fan. Do not ever question my fanhood.
You are NOT a diehard Redskins fan - that is NOT true
I do not question your fanhood - you are showing us what type of fan you are
you can claim to be a fan of the Redskins - from what you have posted here - you are a BAD Redskins fan
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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RedskinsRule56 wrote:Please explain why it is dumb to tank a season for the next Peyton Manning?
It wouldn't. If you were sure he was going to be Peyton Manning.
Is he? For sure? I mean, didn't everyone think Tim Couch or David Carr were the next big things also? Wasn't there really serious discussion predraft who would be better...Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning (who was "too robotic" in the pocket, if I remember right)?
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Ok Skins Jock lets keep doing things the way we have been doing them since 1993. Let me remind you and everyone else that we have won 2 playoff games since then. Lets keep trotting out crap QB after crap QB and lets see how far that gets us. Look at all the successful franchises they all built through the draft, and through bringing in FA's that fit there scheme. Also they all have franchise QB's of which most came through using a first round draft pick on.
Colts- Peyton Manning 1st overall
Steelers- Big Ben top 15 pick
Patriots- Brady 6th round pick
Packers- Aaron Rodgers 24th overall
Saints- signed Brees via Free Agency
Giants- Eli Manning 1st overall
Eagles- Dog Killer- top 5 pick
Ravens- Joe Flacco- 1st round pick
Chargers- Phillip Rivers- 4th overall
Falcons- Matt Ryan- 1st overall
-perennial contender and playoff teams
lets look at up and coming franchises
STL- 1st overall pick Bradford
TB - top 15 pick Freeman
Detroit- first overall pick Stafford
Houston- traded for Schaub
Point is that nearly every playoff/SB contender and up coming franchises have drafted there QB in the first round.
Now lets look at teams that need a franchise QB and they hope they just drafted one
1. Bungals- Andy Dalton- early 2nd round
2. Jacksonville- Blaine Gabbert- 10th overall- Trade up with Skins
3. Tennessee- Jake Locker- I believe was 8th overall
4. Panthers- Scam Newton 1st overall
5. Vikings- Christian Ponder- 12th overall
all of those teams are desperate that the QB they drafted will be a franchise QB for them. Obviously not all will be as some will bust.
Teams that still need a franchise QB are
Bills
Redskins
Niners
Dolphins
Bungals- Depends how Dalton plays as a rookie and what he shows
Raiders
Seahawks
Cardinals???- Kolb? we shall see- However the Cardinals better hope he is a beast because of the massive contract he received they are stuck with him. (Kolb is making more money then Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers)
What do all those teams have in common? They all are likely to suck, and will miss playoffs. Arizona is the only team on that list that I give a chance to make the playoffs and that is largely based upon them playing in the weakest division in the NFL and the Rams having an extremely difficult schedule.
I will take this even further for everyone currently the top 5 rated QB prospects for the 2012 draft according to most experts are
1. Andrew Luck
2. Landry Jones
3. Matt Barkley
4. Nick Foles
5. Kirk Cousins
The Redskins will definitely be drafting a QB in the first round in the 2012 draft unless by some miracle John Beck is legit. Let's be realistic everyone John Beck is not legit. Ozzie Newsome and Bill Parcells 2 of the best personnel evaluators in the NFL both agreed that Beck is not only not a franchise QB but not even worthy of being on there roster as a 2nd or even 3rd stringer.
Didn't you guys all learn with our first round QB Busts--- Heath Shuler, Jason Campbell, Patrick Ramsey-- These 3 clowns contributing to setting our franchise back for many years.
Out of those 5 a few are likely to bust given the history of QB's busting. I can tell you right now as an MSU alum Kirk Cousins is not an NFL QB. He is a career backup at best Imo.
Andrew Luck is the most likely QB on that list not to bust and I feel nearly a lock to be amazing and the next great QB in the NFL. Jones and Barkley have a much higher chance of busting and or not being as good as Luck. Also since it is nearly a given that some of those likely first round QB's will bust that ofcourse will set back a franchise 2-4 years or if you are SF with Alex Smith 5 years now and counting.
One final alternative is that we win 4-6 games which puts us out of position for Andrew Luck and we offer atleast 2 First round drafts to the team with the first pick in order to land him. Remember when we thankfully got outbid by the Jets to land Sanchez? Now keep in mind several teams are going to be DYING and DESPERATE For Luck it might be the largest bidding war ever in the NFL Draft if the team that ends up with the first pick is willing to listen. I do not want this to be our only option to landing Luck as there is no guarantee we would we land Luck as well as if we did it would cost us at minimum 2 first round picks.
Colts- Peyton Manning 1st overall
Steelers- Big Ben top 15 pick
Patriots- Brady 6th round pick
Packers- Aaron Rodgers 24th overall
Saints- signed Brees via Free Agency
Giants- Eli Manning 1st overall
Eagles- Dog Killer- top 5 pick
Ravens- Joe Flacco- 1st round pick
Chargers- Phillip Rivers- 4th overall
Falcons- Matt Ryan- 1st overall
-perennial contender and playoff teams
lets look at up and coming franchises
STL- 1st overall pick Bradford
TB - top 15 pick Freeman
Detroit- first overall pick Stafford
Houston- traded for Schaub
Point is that nearly every playoff/SB contender and up coming franchises have drafted there QB in the first round.
Now lets look at teams that need a franchise QB and they hope they just drafted one
1. Bungals- Andy Dalton- early 2nd round
2. Jacksonville- Blaine Gabbert- 10th overall- Trade up with Skins
3. Tennessee- Jake Locker- I believe was 8th overall
4. Panthers- Scam Newton 1st overall
5. Vikings- Christian Ponder- 12th overall
all of those teams are desperate that the QB they drafted will be a franchise QB for them. Obviously not all will be as some will bust.
Teams that still need a franchise QB are
Bills
Redskins
Niners
Dolphins
Bungals- Depends how Dalton plays as a rookie and what he shows
Raiders
Seahawks
Cardinals???- Kolb? we shall see- However the Cardinals better hope he is a beast because of the massive contract he received they are stuck with him. (Kolb is making more money then Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers)
What do all those teams have in common? They all are likely to suck, and will miss playoffs. Arizona is the only team on that list that I give a chance to make the playoffs and that is largely based upon them playing in the weakest division in the NFL and the Rams having an extremely difficult schedule.
I will take this even further for everyone currently the top 5 rated QB prospects for the 2012 draft according to most experts are
1. Andrew Luck
2. Landry Jones
3. Matt Barkley
4. Nick Foles
5. Kirk Cousins
The Redskins will definitely be drafting a QB in the first round in the 2012 draft unless by some miracle John Beck is legit. Let's be realistic everyone John Beck is not legit. Ozzie Newsome and Bill Parcells 2 of the best personnel evaluators in the NFL both agreed that Beck is not only not a franchise QB but not even worthy of being on there roster as a 2nd or even 3rd stringer.
Didn't you guys all learn with our first round QB Busts--- Heath Shuler, Jason Campbell, Patrick Ramsey-- These 3 clowns contributing to setting our franchise back for many years.
Out of those 5 a few are likely to bust given the history of QB's busting. I can tell you right now as an MSU alum Kirk Cousins is not an NFL QB. He is a career backup at best Imo.
Andrew Luck is the most likely QB on that list not to bust and I feel nearly a lock to be amazing and the next great QB in the NFL. Jones and Barkley have a much higher chance of busting and or not being as good as Luck. Also since it is nearly a given that some of those likely first round QB's will bust that ofcourse will set back a franchise 2-4 years or if you are SF with Alex Smith 5 years now and counting.
One final alternative is that we win 4-6 games which puts us out of position for Andrew Luck and we offer atleast 2 First round drafts to the team with the first pick in order to land him. Remember when we thankfully got outbid by the Jets to land Sanchez? Now keep in mind several teams are going to be DYING and DESPERATE For Luck it might be the largest bidding war ever in the NFL Draft if the team that ends up with the first pick is willing to listen. I do not want this to be our only option to landing Luck as there is no guarantee we would we land Luck as well as if we did it would cost us at minimum 2 first round picks.
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