Season Win Total Prediction?

[Skinsfan55]

I was listening to Colin Cowherd's radio show today. Say what you will, but he's always entertaining and I find him insightful. He was talking about the odds in Las Vegas being given to different team's over/under in regards to total wins in 2011. The Redskins came up being given a 6.5 and he laughed. "No way the Redskins win 6 or 7 games" he said. He claimed the Redskins would be playing in a division where all their competition improved and could be playoff contenders.

He's not the only one saying this, Rotoworld has has the Skins as "favorites" for the Suck for Luck sweepstakes. A lot of people think we're going to be a bad team this year. Now we're all fans here, so we are going to be biased but I think we'll win 6 or 7 with a chance of surprising some people with a .500 season, is this unrealistic? What are your predictions?

[tribeofjudah]

Cowherd is entertaining and witty...BUT I hate when he clowns the Redskins. True fans protect the B&G.

[CanesSkins26]

I was listening to Colin Cowherd's radio show today. Say what you will, but he's always entertaining and I find him insightful. He was talking about the odds in Las Vegas being given to different team's over/under in regards to total wins in 2011. The Redskins came up being given a 6.5 and he laughed. "No way the Redskins win 6 or 7 games" he said. He claimed the Redskins would be playing in a division where all their competition improved and could be playoff contenders.

He's not the only one saying this, Rotoworld has has the Skins as "favorites" for the Suck for Luck sweepstakes. A lot of people think we're going to be a bad team this year. Now we're all fans here, so we are going to be biased but I think we'll win 6 or 7 with a chance of surprising some people with a .500 season, is this unrealistic? What are your predictions?

At this point I don't think it's possible to make any sort of realistic prediction given the qb situation. Bottom line is we don't really know what we have with Beck. If he proves to be decent, who knows. If he sucks and we have to go with Rex, 6 wins would be lucky.

[skinsfan#33]

Colon Cowturd is almost as obnoxious as Jim "as fly as a white guy" Rome.

How can anyone who rationally looks at all of the improvements the Skins have made on top of how much easier their schedule should be and not expect them to improve on last season.

The Egirls are one injury away from being sub 500.
The Cowturds have done nothing to improve and they worse than us last year.
The Gnats have holes sgml over the place.

I pick the Skins to go 3-3 in the division, 3-1 against the NFC west, 2-4 against everyone else.
So I guess I have them at 8-8.

[CanesSkins26]

How can anyone who rationally looks at all of the improvements the Skins have made on top of how much easier their schedule should be and not expect them to improve on last season.

Because we have two qb's vying for the starting job that have started a combined total of 4 games over the last three seasons. We all know Beck's story and not playing since 2007. But Rex himself has only started more than 3 games twice during his 8 year career. It's a qb driven league and unless Beck surprises a lot of people it's going to be very difficult to win games.

[aswas71788]

I will just be happy with improvement. The Redskins should win more than last year just on the strength (or lack off) their schedule. I think 8 - 8 or 9 - 7 is probable. You should ask Rex Grossman. He says on profootballtalk.com that the Redskins are going to win the NFC East. Now that is confidence or stupidity. We shall see at the end of the year.

[Scottskins]

skinsfan, I think you are looking thru rose colored glasses at the rest of the beast. The Eagles will win games no matter who gets injured, the cowboys have a lot of talent, as usual, it's a matter of them putting it together(although their defense will suck again) and the Giants are still the Giants. I expect at least 9-7 out of them. We will have a much better defense this year, but offensively, obviously the QB is a huge concern, receivers should be ok if not above average(but with who throwing to them...), Torain /Hightower should be above average(depending on the OLine) and the Oline should be improved and maybe even good. The highest I see us finishing is 8-8 and that is if our QB play is average, which I don't think will happen.

Like aswas, I just hope we see a good improvement on the defense, and offensive line. I just don't think we can win many games in this division with all the ooffense we will face. Of course, I hope I'm wrong and everything you said comes true!

[yupchagee]

I will just be happy with improvement. The Redskins should win more than last year just on the strength (or lack off) their schedule. I think 8 - 8 or 9 - 7 is probable. You should ask Rex Grossman. He says on profootballtalk.com that the Redskins are going to win the NFC East. Now that is confidence or stupidity. We shall see at the end of the year.

Anyone who DOESN'T predict success for his team shouldn't be on the team.

[andyjens89]

16-0! Man, I love kool-aid!

[InsaneBoost]

He's such a nerd, but seriously, Dallas and NY got better? ROFL. Anyways, I think we could see 6-9 wins depending on how everyone plays and what not. Still a little too soon being we don't know the roster, but heh, we'll see.

As long as his bum-ass Eagles choke I'll be happy, love hearing his excuses.

[SkinsJock]

We are not very good offensively and mainly because we do not have a good QB and some concerns with the O line

the good news is that the lockout is going to screw up a lot of teams and I think we'll win at least 6, maybe 8

PLUS we have one of the better coaches in the NFL

[Red_One43]

16-0! Man, I love kool-aid!

You've just made Don Shula and Mecury Morris' hit list. Keep your head low.

[NYFINESTSKINSFAN]

Does anyone here think that the Skins regressed this season? I don't think so. There is no way the Skins got worse as a team. We were 6-10 last season and of the 10 games we lost 6 of them were decided by less than a TD. I think this team has without a doubt progressed and to think the Skins will be a .500 or even possibly + .500 team is more possible than impossible. I think we had a pretty good draft and an excellent FA to fill in the holes. Does that make us playoff contenders, not just yet, we are still a work in progress and will take one or two more drafts with some goods moves in between to get there.

The only real concern I have just as it seems to be with everyone else is our QB situation, but as long as we can get average QB play this season either out of Beck or Grossman , I think we can be a .500 team.

How far out of the realm is it for Beck or Grossman to be average QB's this season? We don't know much about Beck, but Shanny insists he is our guy, though we know some about Grossman who started 3 games and of those we lost at Dallas 30-33 and we lost to the Giants 14-17, who kicked the crap out of us when McNabb was behind center. In Grossman's 4 games he played in and 3 he started, he threw 884 yards with 7 TD's and 4 INT's and a QB rating of 81.2. (which was better than McNabb) I would say those are average stats.

This season either Beck or Grossman will have a better supporting cast around them with a much improved defense. Average QB play will give us at least a .500 season and that is at least what you can expect from our QB's

So to put it straight Colin Cowherd's prediction lacks intellectual honesty or not much thought.

I wouldn't get yourself hung up on his lack of thought prediction.

[Red_One43]

Does anyone here think that the Skins regressed this season? I don't think so. There is no way the Skins got worse as a team. We were 6-10 last season and of the 10 games we lost 6 of them were decided by less than a TD. I think this team has without a doubt progressed and to think the Skins will be a .500 or even possibly + .500 team is more possible than impossible. I think we had a pretty good draft and an excellent FA to fill in the holes.

2010 Redskins Losses

6 of 10 losses by 4 points or less
14 point loss vs the Rams - Redskins winning by 2 with 12 to go in 3rd
12 point loss vs Lions - Redskins winning by 5 with 7 minutes left in game

Texans L 27–30 (OT) 1–1 FedEx Field 3 point OT loss
Rams L 16–30 1–2 Edward Jones Dome 14 Point loss
Colts L 24–27 3–3 FedEx Field 3 point loss
Lions L 25–37 4–4 Ford Field 12 point loss
Eagles L 28–59 4–5 FedEx Field BLOWOUT!!!
Vikings L 13–17 5–6 FedEx Field 3 point loss
Giants L 7–31 5–7 New Meadowlands blowout
Buccaneers L 16–17 5–8 FedEx Field 1 Point loss
Cowboys L 30–33 5–9 Cowboys Stadium 3 Point loss
Giants L 14-17 6-10 FedEx Field 3 point loss

[KazooSkinsFan]

How can anyone who rationally looks at all of the improvements the Skins have made on top of how much easier their schedule should be and not expect them to improve on last season.

Because we have two qb's vying for the starting job that have started a combined total of 4 games over the last three seasons. We all know Beck's story and not playing since 2007. But Rex himself has only started more than 3 games twice during his 8 year career. It's a qb driven league and unless Beck surprises a lot of people it's going to be very difficult to win games.

OK, so QB may not improve, but that's still not worse then last year. I give McNabb credit for having no running game, no protection and only one receiver and one tight end to throw to, but even I only give him credit for "under the circumstances." Is this worse? I don't see it. As for the rest of the team, compared to last year:

O-line: Williams not a rookie, Jamaal not first year back from a two year injury and modest improvement in the interior, we're better

Running back: With Hightower playing versus Portis on the bench we're better

Receiver: Gaffney, Hankerson, no lossed, better

D-line: An actual 3-4 D line, better

Linebacker: With Kerrigan and no losses, better

Secondary: Even if you liked Rogers, it's at least a wash at corner. I didn't and I think we improved. But either way with an actual starting caliber free safety it's a plus.

I still pick 6-8 wins this year. I'd be happy to go 8-8. But we're clearly headed in the right direction. ESPN trashing the Skins in my view doesn't make sense.

[riggofan]

I can't stand Cowherd. Worst host on ESPN with the most annoying voice. But anyway... These hosts are stupid. We won 6 games last season with a terrible roster. I'm not saying we're going to win 10 games, but its not INSANE to think we can win 6 or 7 again this year.

I would say any of these games: Cardinals, Rams, Bills, 49ers, Dolphins, Seahawks and Vikings are winnable. Those are all teams with ??s themselves. We'll win a couple of the divisional games.

I kind of expect 8-8 this year myself.

[Red_One43]

How can anyone who rationally looks at all of the improvements the Skins have made on top of how much easier their schedule should be and not expect them to improve on last season.

Because we have two qb's vying for the starting job that have started a combined total of 4 games over the last three seasons. We all know Beck's story and not playing since 2007. But Rex himself has only started more than 3 games twice during his 8 year career. It's a qb driven league and unless Beck surprises a lot of people it's going to be very difficult to win games.

OK, so QB may not improve, but that's still not worse then last year. I give McNabb credit for having no running game, no protection and only one receiver and one tight end to throw to, but even I only give him credit for "under the circumstances." Is this worse? I don't see it. As for the rest of the team, compared to last year:

O-line: Williams not a rookie, Jamaal not first year back from a two year injury and modest improvement in the interior, we're better

Running back: With Hightower playing versus Portis on the bench we're better

Receiver: Gaffney, Hankerson, no lossed, better

D-line: An actual 3-4 D line, better

Linebacker: With Kerrigan and no losses, better

Secondary: Even if you liked Rogers, it's at least a wash at corner. I didn't and I think we improved. But either way with an actual starting caliber free safety it's a plus.

I still pick 6-8 wins this year. I'd be happy to go 8-8. But we're clearly headed in the right direction. ESPN trashing the Skins in my view doesn't make sense.

I agree with what your analysis, but I wouldn't give Carlos fans a wash at corner. Wilson can catch the ball. He has 3 TD returns in the last four years. This guy is a game changer.

[SkinsJock]

Thanks Kaz - not a bad breakdown

I understand the "doom & gloom" from some here but while we don't have a good QB and did not add the future great QB we did get a little better offensively

we'll be younger and better on defense

I don't think in terms of what we did last year - we are not playing the same teams we played last year and we don't have a lot of the guys on this team that were here last year

we will win 6 to 8 games and show the progress that we should from having a decent FO and HC

I still disagree that we will be picking in the top 10 - there are going to be some very bad teams out there this season and a lot more injuries

[CanesSkins26]

How can anyone who rationally looks at all of the improvements the Skins have made on top of how much easier their schedule should be and not expect them to improve on last season.

Because we have two qb's vying for the starting job that have started a combined total of 4 games over the last three seasons. We all know Beck's story and not playing since 2007. But Rex himself has only started more than 3 games twice during his 8 year career. It's a qb driven league and unless Beck surprises a lot of people it's going to be very difficult to win games.

OK, so QB may not improve, but that's still not worse then last year. I give McNabb credit for having no running game, no protection and only one receiver and one tight end to throw to, but even I only give him credit for "under the circumstances." Is this worse? I don't see it. As for the rest of the team, compared to last year:

O-line: Williams not a rookie, Jamaal not first year back from a two year injury and modest improvement in the interior, we're better

Running back: With Hightower playing versus Portis on the bench we're better

Receiver: Gaffney, Hankerson, no lossed, better

D-line: An actual 3-4 D line, better

Linebacker: With Kerrigan and no losses, better

Secondary: Even if you liked Rogers, it's at least a wash at corner. I didn't and I think we improved. But either way with an actual starting caliber free safety it's a plus.

I still pick 6-8 wins this year. I'd be happy to go 8-8. But we're clearly headed in the right direction. ESPN trashing the Skins in my view doesn't make sense.

I agree with your analysis except for qb. McNabb last year had 14 tds, 15 ints, 3377 yards, completed 58 percent of his passes, and had a rating of 77.1.

With Beck we have no idea what we have. He could do better than McNabb, but he also could do much worse.

As for Rex, he has a track record. A career qb rating of 70.9, below what McNabb posted last year. In his 8 seasons Grossman has only topped a 77.1 qb rating once, and that was in four games last year. In the two seasons that he has played in more than a handful of games, 2006 and 2007, his qb rating was 73.9 and 66.4, respectively. His completion percentages in those two seasons: 54.6 and 54.2; McNabb's was 58.3 last year and he was ripped constantly for his lack of accuracy. So if Rex starts for us this season we could easily see a regression in qb play from last year.

[spudstr04]

I don't care about wins and losses, I just want a competitive football team that's not the laughing stock of the NFL, like last year.

I would love a shot at the playoffs and I think 8-8 or 9-7 might give us that chance, but realistically, I am going to say more like 6-10 again.

[KazooSkinsFan]

How can anyone who rationally looks at all of the improvements the Skins have made on top of how much easier their schedule should be and not expect them to improve on last season.

Because we have two qb's vying for the starting job that have started a combined total of 4 games over the last three seasons. We all know Beck's story and not playing since 2007. But Rex himself has only started more than 3 games twice during his 8 year career. It's a qb driven league and unless Beck surprises a lot of people it's going to be very difficult to win games.

OK, so QB may not improve, but that's still not worse then last year. I give McNabb credit for having no running game, no protection and only one receiver and one tight end to throw to, but even I only give him credit for "under the circumstances." Is this worse? I don't see it. As for the rest of the team, compared to last year:

O-line: Williams not a rookie, Jamaal not first year back from a two year injury and modest improvement in the interior, we're better

Running back: With Hightower playing versus Portis on the bench we're better

Receiver: Gaffney, Hankerson, no lossed, better

D-line: An actual 3-4 D line, better

Linebacker: With Kerrigan and no losses, better

Secondary: Even if you liked Rogers, it's at least a wash at corner. I didn't and I think we improved. But either way with an actual starting caliber free safety it's a plus.

I still pick 6-8 wins this year. I'd be happy to go 8-8. But we're clearly headed in the right direction. ESPN trashing the Skins in my view doesn't make sense.

I agree with your analysis except for qb. McNabb last year had 14 tds, 15 ints, 3377 yards, completed 58 percent of his passes, and had a rating of 77.1.

With Beck we have no idea what we have. He could do better than McNabb, but he also could do much worse.

As for Rex, he has a track record. A career qb rating of 70.9, below what McNabb posted last year. In his 8 seasons Grossman has only topped a 77.1 qb rating once, and that was in four games last year. In the two seasons that he has played in more than a handful of games, 2006 and 2007, his qb rating was 73.9 and 66.4, respectively. His completion percentages in those two seasons: 54.6 and 54.2; McNabb's was 58.3 last year and he was ripped constantly for his lack of accuracy. So if Rex starts for us this season we could easily see a regression in qb play from last year.

QB's definitely the risk. Our O was pretty bad though last year and even though I don't think McNabb was the problem he wasn't very effective. If we won 6 games last year with a bunch of other close calls and improved in every area other area, I don't see how QB play could drop us to one of the worst teams in the NFL as ESPN is predicting. I am not saying that was your position, I never saw you say that.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I don't care about wins and losses, I just want a competitive football team that's not the laughing stock of the NFL, like last year.

I would love a shot at the playoffs and I think 8-8 or 9-7 might give us that chance, but realistically, I am going to say more like 6-10 again.

I didn't read the publicans you did. The ones I saw were crediting us for our not quitting on the season.

[CanesSkins26]

How can anyone who rationally looks at all of the improvements the Skins have made on top of how much easier their schedule should be and not expect them to improve on last season.

Because we have two qb's vying for the starting job that have started a combined total of 4 games over the last three seasons. We all know Beck's story and not playing since 2007. But Rex himself has only started more than 3 games twice during his 8 year career. It's a qb driven league and unless Beck surprises a lot of people it's going to be very difficult to win games.

OK, so QB may not improve, but that's still not worse then last year. I give McNabb credit for having no running game, no protection and only one receiver and one tight end to throw to, but even I only give him credit for "under the circumstances." Is this worse? I don't see it. As for the rest of the team, compared to last year:

O-line: Williams not a rookie, Jamaal not first year back from a two year injury and modest improvement in the interior, we're better

Running back: With Hightower playing versus Portis on the bench we're better

Receiver: Gaffney, Hankerson, no lossed, better

D-line: An actual 3-4 D line, better

Linebacker: With Kerrigan and no losses, better

Secondary: Even if you liked Rogers, it's at least a wash at corner. I didn't and I think we improved. But either way with an actual starting caliber free safety it's a plus.

I still pick 6-8 wins this year. I'd be happy to go 8-8. But we're clearly headed in the right direction. ESPN trashing the Skins in my view doesn't make sense.

I agree with your analysis except for qb. McNabb last year had 14 tds, 15 ints, 3377 yards, completed 58 percent of his passes, and had a rating of 77.1.

With Beck we have no idea what we have. He could do better than McNabb, but he also could do much worse.

As for Rex, he has a track record. A career qb rating of 70.9, below what McNabb posted last year. In his 8 seasons Grossman has only topped a 77.1 qb rating once, and that was in four games last year. In the two seasons that he has played in more than a handful of games, 2006 and 2007, his qb rating was 73.9 and 66.4, respectively. His completion percentages in those two seasons: 54.6 and 54.2; McNabb's was 58.3 last year and he was ripped constantly for his lack of accuracy. So if Rex starts for us this season we could easily see a regression in qb play from last year.

QB's definitely the risk. Our O was pretty bad though last year and even though I don't think McNabb was the problem he wasn't very effective. If we won 6 games last year with a bunch of other close calls and improved in every area other area, I don't see how QB play could drop us to one of the worst teams in the NFL as ESPN is predicting. I am not saying that was your position, I never saw you say that.

I agree that we won't be as bad as ESPN is predicating. And as much as I joke about the Suck and Luck strategy, I don't think that we'll be in the running for his services. I'm thinking a similar record to last year, maybe 6-10 or 7-9. With our qb issues I think that .500 will be tough, but I do think that we'll see improvement in most areas of the team, which is all I really care about this year. I don't think that we really got better as the season went on last year, except maybe on the oline towards the end, so for me I don't care so much about our record this year as much as I care about seeing progress in our play.

[1niksder]

+1

[cleg]

13-3 Baby and we shock the world. Jamaal said 12 wins is unacceptable and Sexy Rexy says they will win the division. 13-3 and all the way to the NFC Championship game.