Mistakes Can Haunt Us, I know

[gambit187]

Just a simple ? from a guy that has watched his team make mistakes.

Dont you guys see alot of mistakes that are messing up your team. I see them I know you all cannt be so blind as to not see them.

1. Trotter, by releasing him you will take the hit next year. Also Mitchell who is 32 will be 33 will compete for the starting MLB job. With who a draftee or FA. So basically you are letting go of a younger MLB that you all hyped up , for an older MLB.

2. Jessie Armstead, although he was good, he is gone. So what and where does that leave the progression of Antonio Pierce, Still on the bench and soon he will be a free agent and you wont know what he has. So you sign another so called big name LB to play the position and pay him big money.

3. Matt Bowen all though he may be are hard hitter, he makes bad judgements when it comes to taking angles for coverage and tackles. Bowen you guys gave up a pick....that could have been used for a pr/kr. IMO Andre Lott could have been groomed for this spot but he went to Tennesee and was in Spurriers Dog house hummm wonder why.

4. Bruce Smith, was a waste of time, Snyders love for him keep possible younger DE's from progessing.

5. Still paying for Big Daddy, and gave up pics of DT Haley, Hosley, Dalton and Chase last year and only one of them is the roster now.

6. Taylor Jacobs, hopefully Coach Gibbs can work him into a good reciever. If not then he was a wasted pick for Spurrier, Mike Doss would have been a better pick-up.

7. Trung Candidate, gave away an O-line man and a 3rd round pick, his Draft compensation could have been used for someone that could have progressed down the road like a Safety or MLB or project DE.

7. Portis all though he may turn out to be a good back,you guys gave up a 2rd pick. No way in hell

8. Brunell , too old for all that money and you guys gave up a high 3rd pick.

9. Chad Morton , you guys gave up a 5th round pick.

So to kinda recap in 2003 you guys had a 3 picks last year and 2 this year. Where the hell is this team going. Am I the only one taking CRAZY PILLS or what. Whats that i hear Coach Gibbs coming to right the ship, GOOD LUCK COACH.

[Magoo]

Nice list.

Next you can practice your a-b-c's for us.

You failed to mention the positive moves this off-season - too numerous to spell out while I'm sneaking away from work to check the board.

As far as the point you're making - that the Skins are Bozos and the future is bleak - keep on taking those crazy pills. Win or lose - the pride is back in DC - the Skins are the WASHINGTON REDSKINS again - and that just kills ya' doesn't it?

[bwdjr]

Don't hate on the skins just because your team doesn't have a qualified QB. Brunell can still run circles around DINCY Carter. You must not have seen Gibbs in action in his previous tenure. Plain and simple, "HE IS THE MAN". He can take another coaches 2nd string and make him a very productive player. Don't you remember guys like Nick Giaquento, Darryl Grant, Neil Olkelwitz, Jason Buck. None of these guys were superstars but we used what they did best and fit them into our system. Just because your cowgirls are scared to make moves don't hate on us. You can't compare Gibbs with any other coach. He is on his own level. Just ask Bill Parcels, Jimmy Johnson etc. If Tom Landry was still around he would definitely tell you this. Gibbs sent him to his retirement or don't you remember his begging Danny White to call timeout before we CRUSHED them on 4th and short.

[gambit187]

Brunell has 2 maybe 3 years left, While Quincy Carter is young and can only get better with coaching and Drew Henson is in the wings

Ok what have you really done this year on defense, Daniels and Hamilton, but underachivers and overpaid. Giving them big bucks is really gonna make them play up to there potential. All the corners you guys bought in are on there last leg and coming back from injuries they can not even participate in mini-camp..and once they do get together in june or august they still have to go thru a period of getting to know each other and geling.

New Linebacker Washington will be a good fit, but letting trotter go and having Mitchell come back in as MLB may be ok, but he will need to be replaced soon. probally with another free agent that wont pan out and that Synder will overpay.

[PROBOWL TOM]

cowboys needs. #1 slimfast for the tuna.#2 new face lift for Jerry.he looks like ----! #3 a qb who has a brain.# a runningback .Now when you address those needs then you can play match maker for the skins.

[gambit187]

cowboys needs. #1 slimfast for the tuna.#2 new face lift for Jerry.he looks like ----! #3 a qb who has a brain.# a runningback .Now when you address those needs then you can play match maker for the skins.

1. LOL you so stupid ......y are u talking about a coach that is HEALTHY. 2. An owner that is a Billonaire and has 3 superbowl trophies. 3. A Qb who took his team to 10-6 and is getting better. 4 RB well u got me on that one....but season dont start till September and we have about 11 million and 5draft picks to address that need.

So stick to facts , but you cannt cause you are a blind individual blinded by the love for your team......and thats ok.

[surferskin]

gambit, shouldn't you wrote this post on the smack talk board bro...you can't expect a cowgirl fan to post some topic saying how the skin's are lame and expect it not to get ugly after awhile...there's not much reason to even respond because every point you've made are all just lame cowpuke opinions. weak gambit, very weak

[gambit187]

gambit, shouldn't you wrote this post on the smack talk board bro...you can't expect a cowgirl fan to post some topic saying how the skin's are lame and expect it not to get ugly after awhile...there's not much reason to even respond because every point you've made are all just lame cowpuke opinions. weak gambit, very weak

I didnt really say the skins were lame.......humm maybe thats what you thought in the back of your mind after reading my post. All i was doing was stating some facts that were kinda similar to the Cowboys...that kinda led to problems. I was not looking for smack talk but an honest debate.

[skins75]

I have to agree that Gambits post although biased is not in an offensive nature. He unlike Smizzy knows how to bash us without making it so obvious.

[admin]

gambit... calling someone stupid sounds like a personal attack to me... don't make me give you a week off to think about it. You'll drown in boredom.

Your calling people blind and walking around like your own crap don't stink... but let's face it... you're just sick of having no Cowboy news.... and unsure of what the future holds.

Wrap it up in whatever you like... I see your blatant 'lashing out' as a sign of fear.

Gibbs fear.

Good luck with that.

[gambit187]

gambit... calling someone stupid sounds like a personal attack to me... don't make me give you a week off to think about it. You'll drown in boredom.

Your calling people blind and walking around like your own crap don't stink... but let's face it... you're just sick of having no Cowboy news.... and unsure of what the future holds.

Wrap it up in whatever you like... I see your blatant 'lashing out' as a sign of fear.

Gibbs fear.

Good luck with that.

Well Mr. Admin, if you notice i said LOL....you so stupid...it was in a joking manner......LOL....means LAUGHING OUT LOUD....

Also all i am doing is stating facts. Also what was the title of my thread. MISTAKES CAN HAUNT YOU, I KNOW. I am sure you guys and I could point out some of the Cowboys past mistake, but this is not the a cowboy board....LOL

[BossHog]

Well Mr. Admin, if you notice i said LOL....you so stupid...it was in a joking manner......LOL....means LAUGHING OUT LOUD....

I know what LOL means, but thanks for the patronization. I don't care if you dance on your head while you're saying it too... insulting the poster WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. You think throwing up a LOL to mask the insult is going to help, then think again... please keep your commemts to the post and not the posters.

Also all i am doing is stating facts. Also what was the title of my thread. MISTAKES CAN HAUNT YOU, I KNOW. I am sure you guys and I could point out some of the Cowboys past mistake, but this is not the a cowboy board....LOL

... and if the Cowboys board would allow CONVERSATIONS we would, but as such, we can't. And actually, we can talk about whatever we want here dude... including the Cowboys shortcomings. We don't dictate here. We're not afraid of others' opinons.

Even if they're misinformed, spiteful or meant only to agitate.

[PROBOWL TOM]

hey calling the TUNA a picture of health is funny.Gibbs will bring out the best in this team.A rookie qb sounds like a 3 year work in progess to me.We will have at least one ring to go with our other 3 by the time HENSON is up to speed or one LA hit to end his playing days .I wonder witch will happen first.

[Doughboy]

gambit, shouldn't you wrote this post on the smack talk board bro...you can't expect a cowgirl fan to post some topic saying how the skin's are lame and expect it not to get ugly after awhile...there's not much reason to even respond because every point you've made are all just lame cowpuke opinions. weak gambit, very weak

I didnt really say the skins were lame.......humm maybe thats what you thought in the back of your mind after reading my post. All i was doing was stating some facts that were kinda similar to the Cowboys...that kinda led to problems. I was not looking for smack talk but an honest debate.

The problem is that you're mixing "facts" with opinions.
1. If they release Trotter before Jun 1st, we won't be taking a cap hit next year. And Mitchell deserves a shot at the MLB position because everytime he's filled in the last couple of years, he's done a better job than Trotter. Trotter had tons of potential, but ya got to keep to your assignments.
2. I liked Jesse and when he was released I was hoping Antonio would be given a chance, but I'm going to have to trust Williams. He's built great defences every where he's been.
3. Andre Lott from Tennessee and that's why Spurrier did'nt like him ?? Never thought about it like that. Could kinda see it coming from spurrier though ...
4.Bruce's first couple of years here were great. The last couple .. I think Danny just kept him around so that when Bruce broke the record he could market the merchandise and make more money.
5. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah.
6. We still don't know what we really have in Jacobs thanks to that freak injury he had in Pre-season.
7. Trung was a 4th round draft pick. (we used our 3rd on Derrick Dockery) And good riddance to Loverne. Simply put, he sucked.
8. We'll find out won't we.
9. Chad was, nd still is, worth it.

[gambit187]

hey calling the TUNA a picture of health is funny.Gibbs will bring out the best in this team.A rookie qb sounds like a 3 year work in progess to me.We will have at least one ring to go with our other 3 by the time HENSON is up to speed or one LA hit to end his playing days .I wonder witch will happen first.

We will see when Henson joins a long line of QB's to beat the skins. I am a QC fan but I am looking forward to the day #11 walks on the field and becomes a great one.

[gambit187]

gambit, shouldn't you wrote this post on the smack talk board bro...you can't expect a cowgirl fan to post some topic saying how the skin's are lame and expect it not to get ugly after awhile...there's not much reason to even respond because every point you've made are all just lame cowpuke opinions. weak gambit, very weak

I didnt really say the skins were lame.......humm maybe thats what you thought in the back of your mind after reading my post. All i was doing was stating some facts that were kinda similar to the Cowboys...that kinda led to problems. I was not looking for smack talk but an honest debate.

The problem is that you're mixing "facts" with opinions.
1. If they release Trotter before Jun 1st, we won't be taking a cap hit next year. And Mitchell deserves a shot at the MLB position because everytime he's filled in the last couple of years, he's done a better job than Trotter. Trotter had tons of potential, but ya got to keep to your assignments.
2. I liked Jesse and when he was released I was hoping Antonio would be given a chance, but I'm going to have to trust Williams. He's built great defences every where he's been.
3. Andre Lott from Tennessee and that's why Spurrier did'nt like him ?? Never thought about it like that. Could kinda see it coming from spurrier though ...
4.Bruce's first couple of years here were great. The last couple .. I think Danny just kept him around so that when Bruce broke the record he could market the merchandise and make more money.
5. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah.
6. We still don't know what we really have in Jacobs thanks to that freak injury he had in Pre-season.
7. Trung was a 4th round draft pick. (we used our 3rd on Derrick Dockery) And good riddance to Loverne. Simply put, he sucked.
8. We'll find out won't we.
9. Chad was, nd still is, worth it.

Now this is what i was looking for a debate, and clear thinking.

Do I smell a bunchof guys that can dish it but not take it. Thats why i have been here so long cause i can take it. OH and dish it.

[jDub]

[quote="gambit187We will see when Henson joins a long line of QB's to beat the skins. I am a QC fan but I am looking forward to the day #11 walks on the field and becomes a great one.[/quote]

i can't wait for patrick either

[LetsRollBurgundyNGold]

In some respects, gambit has a valid point that some concern could be harbored for the recent spate of moves and whether that will hamstring the team for the future. My rebuttal is simply this:

(First, one correction, I'm pretty sure Trung was obtained with a fourth round pick last season...)

Although not an excuse, the situation that Joe Gibbs is stepping into is far from ideal. He was coming up three picks short in the draft this year for moves that were made last season, and the results were negligible (Dalton and Chase gone, Bowen here for now.) With that, Joe took care of step one, getting the coaching apparatus in place to implement a solid, proven scheme.

So, Joe's in the hole and has to do some digging out to progress. Tough decisions have been made in that regard, giving up a second and third rounder. But what is gained in return? A superstar upgrade at RB, and a solid vet at QB. Worst case scenario at QB, Brunell gets hurt and Ramsey is in (which is a whole lot better than last year's situation when Ramsey went out. Rob Johnson? Tim Hasselbeck, who actually did ok?)

Now, regarding Trotter and Johnson, I'm not sure what's gonna happen to either, but in Trotter's case his production hasn't matched his salary at all unfortunately. Getting a trade done will get Joe another draft pick to work with and more cap space, while allowing the buried depth spoke of earlier a chance to get reps on the field and prove their worth (with the thinking probably being 'they can't do much worse', they did it when Trotter was injured). With Johnson, there's still some figuring to be done.

All that to say, don't expect a repeat of the draft situation next season. The Burgundy and Gold will have a majority of their picks more than likely. Just as a team gets an extra mini-camp with a new coach, the 'customization' of a team more conducive to the new scheme being put in place is what's happening this season. The unfortunate thing is it's been done so frequently over the past four years for this team is skews the overall picture. You can't put last season's moves on Gibbs tho, he's just the guy brought in to fix the stupidness...we shall see if he does (Of course, I think he will as long as Lil Dan stays out of the way and just signs the checks and does the marketing...)

[trey53]

Yes...there are those who thrive on debate and getting under people's skin it seems. I would like to point out that you can put any team under a microscope and point out mistakes that have been made, etc. What it really boils down to though is whether a team wins or not. If they do, then everyone thinks all the moves were golden...if not then everything gets analyzed down to the nitty gritty. That being said, even you, cowboy supporter that you are, have to admit that Snyder did the right thing by hiring Gibbs. The man is a proven winner and is making over the team as he thinks he needs to. I am sure that you had some gripes about what Parcells was doing (or not doing) with personnel last year. Much as we do with some of the moves Gibbs has made. But you can't argue with HOF coaches. BTW, the Skins have escaped (albeit with some sacrifices) before when Salary Cap Hell was imminent. They may very well do so again...unless you think you can predict the future. But the most important thing to remember is that no matter who is on the team, they will be well coached. Reference 10-6 cowboys record...of course the easy wins over the Skins and giants won't come so easy this year...if at all. Here's to a revival of THE Rivalry!

[rickysanders83]

Hey bosshog, ban this gambit clown. Who needs jokers like that on this board? People that write "man u stupid" like they're chatting on some teen yahoo chatroom...ugh

[gambit187]

Ok here we go, lets talke about my squad since u guys think i am bias

1. Two #1's for Galloway Killed us.
2. Ismaial was money wasted
3. Emmitt got long in the tooth before we even started trying to find his replacement, which should have come from them 2 #1's we gave to seattle who got Alexander and robinson.
4. Darren Woodsen all though he is an excellant all the field leader and still is OK, is getting old...a replacement needs to come soon.
5. We need another starting CB. Newman is our version of Bailey. But we have a super athelete in Pete Hunter that came on strong last year.

6. Our oline is decent but the right side needs help, and we have serveral players returning off of injury that might help. We have excellent depth they just need to gel.

7. WR we have no speed except for "no hands" Randell Williams. but we good playmakers in Glenn, Bryant and Meshawn.

8. Finally QB.....all i can say is they all are inexperienced....but QC under Tuna and Sean Payton went 10-6....and can you all here that A WOLVERINE IS COMING ....SNIKT....

[trey53]

Appreciate your candor on your own team. QC did well last year...but I do want to point out that four of those wins came via the grossly failed Spurrier experiment and the "Which way did he go, George?" giants. Henson...MAY be the real deal...may be Hutchinson part deux. I'll wait to call that one after the rust gets knocked off. (hopefully by Arrington! )

[gambit187]

Hey bosshog, ban this gambit clown. Who needs jokers like that on this board? People that write "man u stupid" like they're chatting on some teen yahoo chatroom...ugh

Allright now you fakerickysanders wanna be, my comment was made to someone that said tuna needs a slimfast and jerry jones needs a facelift, i said lol you stupid in response to them just like i do to any friend when they say something funny but true. I think everyone on here that knows me , knows that i joked about jerry jones facelift several times. Also the person i directed it at, had enough common sense to know that i was laughing along with them. UNLIKE OTHERS ON HERE.

Also you need to take notes,...cause a player like me contributes more to this board then a joker like you that plays the background and only comes out for his 8th post when you wanna stand on your soap box.

[PROBOWL TOM]

is this thehogs.net or cowpaddies.com

[surferskin]

no, i agree that gambit needs to stay cuz when the season rolls around and the skin's are stomp'n the qb'less cowboys it will be much more fun to rub it in.