We need a quarterback!

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:42 am

I'm convinced, more than ever that the Redskins need to draft a quarterback. Now, more than ever the quarterback position is they key to winning consistently. The Patriots, Colts, Steelers, Falcons, Packers, Saints, Ravens... those teams are either always in it or have bright futures because they have star quarterbacks.

How bad is the QB situation in Washington? Well the last franchise QB this organization drafted was Sammy Baugh 74 freaking years ago.

You absolutely CANNOT win without a quarterback so any other position is pretty much irrelevant. We have a golden opportunity with one of the all time great quarterback gurus to draft a guy and mold him into a star. Mike Shanahan took Brian Griese, Jake Plummer and Jay Cutler and made them Pro Bowl players. We need to get our hands on a QB and mold him! No more aging vets!

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:48 am

There is no QB in the draft that's ready to go now. So what's the solution for next year? Keep in mind it's most likely going to be a short offseason as well. I would expect DMac to be our QB or at worst if we can't make a trade or Rex will be our starter. Not going to throw a kid out there right now or we'll be playing for the #1 pick like Carolina did last year.

CajunSkin · Post by **CajunSkin** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:15 am

Im convinced Mcnuggs will be the qb next year, no rookie qb is coming out is game ready. However I'm not against Ponder or Kaepernick coming in and sitting a yr or two behind mcnabb or even grossman for the 2013 season. Im strongly against picking a WR or a QB with the number 10 spot.

You also forgot to mention that teams such as The Patriots, Colts, Steelers, Falcons, Packers, Saints, Ravens All have Great Pass protection with maybe the Packers the consideration, and the WRs are wonderful contributors.

Bottom Line this team is in pretty bad shape a QB is not the answer and we have more pressing needs.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:25 am

I'd agree that there doesn't seem to be a future great QB but if this FO thinks that there is one they'll grab him

The MOST important player is the QB - no matter what, this franchise has to get one and build everything around him - the franchise needs to be completely rebuilt anyway - no big deal - This franchise will not get anywhere OR have a chance at seeing consistently good football until there is a really good QB playing in B&G

this offensive line is going to take some time to rebuild but it will be better sooner if they have a really good QB under center

skins2357 · Post by **skins2357** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:49 am

Im on the fence, we have sooo many needs taht I would almost rather try to solidify the base of the team before adding our QB of the future (of course I say this bc I still hold out hope for Luck in 2012)

Still, if we took a QB in the 2nd I would be fine with that. Im thinking sexy rexy will be our guy next year, with our rookie QB sitting at 3 on the depth chart. He'll sit for a year and take over the following year. Thats only my opinion though, and last time I checked my opinion doesnt count!

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:11 pm

It's nonsense to say no QB is game ready or that there's no future stars in the class. No one knew that Tom Brady, Trent Green, Roger Staubach, Rich Gannon, Matt Hasselbeck or Joe Montana would be stars but they (in some cases after a long wait) went to great situations, were coached in a system that fit their skillset and became awesome.

The Redskins need to look long and hard at the quarterbacks in the draft and get one, first round, second round whatever but not getting a QB who can play would be unacceptable.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:25 pm

I'm not sure that any of these QBs offers a huge upside but if Mike thinks that any of them can be a good QB then he will grab him because the position is so critical - that being said, if he thinks that none of them is really exciting then he's going to wait and get the future great QB as soon as he can

The current QB situation is interesting - I think that Kyle and Mike will keep McNabb if they cannot trade him - I think they must see that he's got more upside than Rex - I think that was evident in the last few games - there is no question that McNabb was a disapointment but I don't think that they got much from him - he should have done better than that and we need someone solid for about a year - ALSO, I think that McNabb is a better mentor than Rex - we are going to need a QB and if we move McNabb then I think we find someone else, not Rex

I think that we are looking at a year or more before any of these guys that are coming out are ready anyway and if we don't get started on this position soon we are just delaying the process too much

It seems like Mike likes Locker - Mike will not have to play him because it's going to take time to get him ready PLUS he'll want to have some time to get this disaster of an offensive line back in gear again - I know they were starting to play better towards the end of the year but that line needs to get a lot younger and a lot deeper

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:37 pm

Also, I think it's a fallacy that you have to sit a young QB so they can learn. Think about your job? How much would you actually learn by sitting there and watching someone else do it? In baseball you either start a rookie or keep them in the minors so they can PLAY because they don't want to stunt a player's growth and learning comes from gaining experience.

A quarterback sitting behind Grossman for a year will have the exact same amount of experience under his belt a year from now.

If Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan showed us anything it's that starting a rookie QB right away can only help.

skins2357 · Post by **skins2357** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:37 pm

SkinsJock wrote:I'm not sure that any of these QBs offers a huge upside but if Mike thinks that any of them can be a good QB then he will grab him because the position is so critical - that being said, if he thinks that none of them is really exciting then he's going to wait and get the future great QB as soon as he can

The current QB situation is interesting - I think that Kyle and Mike will keep McNabb if they cannot trade him - I think they must see that he's got more upside than Rex - I think that was evident in the last few games - there is no question that McNabb was a disapointment but I don't think that they got much from him - he should have done better than that and we need someone solid for about a year - ALSO, I think that McNabb is a better mentor than Rex - we are going to need a QB and if we move McNabb then I think we find someone else, not Rex

I think that we are looking at a year or more before any of these guys that are coming out are ready anyway and if we don't get started on this position soon we are just delaying the process too much

It seems like Mike likes Locker - Mike will not have to play him because it's going to take time to get him ready PLUS he'll want to have some time to get this disaster of an offensive line back in gear again - I know they were starting to play better towards the end of the year but that line needs to get a lot younger and a lot deeper

Agree on all counts

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:38 pm

Also, I think it's a fallacy that you have to sit a young QB so they can learn. Think about your job? How much would you actually learn by sitting there and watching someone else do it? In baseball you either start a rookie or keep them in the minors so they can PLAY because they don't want to stunt a player's growth and learning comes from gaining experience.

A quarterback sitting behind Grossman for a year will have the exact same amount of experience under his belt a year from now.

If Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan showed us anything it's that starting a rookie QB right away can only help.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:58 pm

Some QBs need time to get ready and some are a able to play and learn on the job - there are many factors involved

Of the QBs that I think we might end up with (I do think we'll get a QB out of the draft) that QB is not being looked at to start here until both he and the rest of the offense are ready to ensure that QB's success - this position is way to important to make bad decisions about - starting a QB before he's ready is not happening here

I think that given the contract situation with McNabb he is most likely traded out of here

I don't think that Grossman will be the starting QB here this season

I hope that Mike & Bruce will find a way to trade down to a position to still take Locker if he's the guy we want - we need draft picks

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:18 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:Also, I think it's a fallacy that you have to sit a young QB so they can learn. Think about your job? How much would you actually learn by sitting there and watching someone else do it? In baseball you either start a rookie or keep them in the minors so they can PLAY because they don't want to stunt a player's growth and learning comes from gaining experience.

A quarterback sitting behind Grossman for a year will have the exact same amount of experience under his belt a year from now.

I don't disagree with you, but I think the issue is more about is it worth putting a rookie QB behind a bad line with a weak WR corp and no running game to help him out.

I didn't learn to be a programmer by watching other people do it. But I also wasn't asked to learn my job while people threw flaming snakes at me or anything either.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:54 pm

There is no QB in the draft that's ready to go now.

Assuming that's true, so what? Aaron Rogers wasn't ready to go right from the start either. Very few drafted players actually start right away.

The top 3 qb's last year, by qb rating, were Brady, Rivers, and Rodgers...they started zero games as rookies. It's very rare for someone like Manning or Ryan to start a full season's worth of games as a rookie.

So what's the solution for next year?

Does it really matter? We aren't winning anything next year. Re-sign Rex and develop a young qb.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:55 pm

I just don't think that Grossman is the QB that Kyle & Mike want - he does not seem like he adds much even as a stop gap QB

I agree that McNabb is most likely not here but I just don't see Grossman getting the job - I just don't think that's the route these guys will go

I think it's a transition year but not with Rex in the starting QB slot

SKINS#1 · Post by **SKINS#1** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:03 pm

The Redskins have many needs. Do you draft a QB and then fix the rest of the team or do you wait until you have put together a competitive team and then draft a QB? I am not sure but JG proved you could win a SB with an average QB.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:52 pm

Winning a Super Bowl can be accomplished in many different ways - winning a Super Bowl is every teams goal each year but actually winning the final game is not dependant on any single player - HOWEVER if it were, there's a good chance that guy is a QB

The most important position for every franchise that wants to be in a position to be consistently successful is the QB - when you are in the situation that this franchise is in after years of mismanagement, you really need to try finding a good QB as soon as possible - Mike added McNabb because he thought that he was addressing a very important part of the franchise - didn't work BUT I'm pretty sure that Mike does not think that Rex is going to be anything more than a good back-up, if that.

I'm not suggesting that we ONLY look for a QB but IF Mike thinks there's a QB available that can improve the QB position in the future then he's going to get that QB - I don't think he thinks the guy is going to start soon but NOBODY expects that - we have a lot of other pieces we need to improve on offensively at the same time

almost any player available in this draft at the #10 spot is most likely going to be a VERY good player for a long time unless this FO and talent evaluators have no idea of what they're doing - IF that's the case then NO player is going to help

ALL I'm pointing out is that Mike wants to locate a QB that can help this franchise ASAP and IF that QB is one of the QBs in this draft then he will find a way to add him to this franchise - he will not make the same effort for a player at any other position because there are so many of them that can all help improve ANY position

The ONLY thing that might stop Mike taking Locker at #10 might be if another team wants a player that is there and Mike can trade down a few spots and not lose Locker but still add another pick

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:55 pm

Most of the stuff about McNabb being traded and what not is really a moot point right now. There's a good chance that a lot of teams that are "IN NEED" of a QB will draft a QB next weekend. I have to think that if someone moves up into the end of the 1st round and grab a QB, your going to see a run on QBs there. If the Skins are smart, they'll stand pat and pick up some guys who were rated as late 1st rounders in our 2nd round slot. We also may have the opportunity to trade back from that spot and acquire more picks.

There's really only one QB in the draft that I would say that I really like and that's Ponder. Super smart guy, adequate arm strength and a heck of a guy who's a leader. Outside of him, I wouldn't want us to make a trade or move up for a player outside of him at this point because if there is one player that I think could step in at some point next year, it's Ponder. Not game one but mid season.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:36 pm

There's a bunch of players that I like - the fact is they will make the choice and based on what we've seen and heard - they are not going to listen to you or me - probably a good thing

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:23 pm

McNugget is .....GONE after the draft.
Shanny said so himself.....between the lines and under his breath.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:50 pm

CajunSkin wrote:You also forgot to mention that teams such as The Patriots, Colts, Steelers, Falcons, Packers, Saints, Ravens All have Great Pass protection with maybe the Packers the consideration, and the WRs are wonderful contributors.
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Sorry but you aren't totally correct with this statement. The Steelers had one of the worst O-line's in the league over the last few years. In fact, without looking at the stats, I would bet they were in the top ten worst o-line's for sacks givin up EVEN with Ben being so hard to bring down. The Colts aren't far behind, just Manning gets rid of the ball so quick.

Snout · Post by **Snout** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:19 pm

Right now we are a terrible team. Let's build up enough talent to at least be competitive, and then start thinking about a franchise quarterback to get to the next level.

Drafting a quarterback in the first round is too risky considering how many first round QBs fail.

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:44 am

Skinsfan55 wrote:I'm convinced, more than ever that the Redskins need to draft a quarterback. Now, more than ever the quarterback position is they key to winning consistently. The Patriots, Colts, Steelers, Falcons, Packers, Saints, Ravens... those teams are either always in it or have bright futures because they have star quarterbacks.

How bad is the QB situation in Washington? Well the last franchise QB this organization drafted was Sammy Baugh 74 freaking years ago.

You absolutely CANNOT win without a quarterback so any other position is pretty much irrelevant. We have a golden opportunity with one of the all time great quarterback gurus to draft a guy and mold him into a star. Mike Shanahan took Brian Griese, Jake Plummer and Jay Cutler and made them Pro Bowl players. We need to get our hands on a QB and mold him! No more aging vets!

Not quite true. We drafted Trent Green, unfortunately, he wound up being a franchise QB for a different franchise.

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:51 am

Skinsfan55 wrote:Also, I think it's a fallacy that you have to sit a young QB so they can learn. Think about your job? How much would you actually learn by sitting there and watching someone else do it? In baseball you either start a rookie or keep them in the minors so they can PLAY because they don't want to stunt a player's growth and learning comes from gaining experience.

A quarterback sitting behind Grossman for a year will have the exact same amount of experience under his belt a year from now.

If Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan showed us anything it's that starting a rookie QB right away can only help.

Whilst I agree that some qb's can come in and contribute right away, I don't think your analogy is right. You're not talking about throwing somebody in to be an admin assistant or payroll clerk - qb is a position that equates far more to a middle management role, at the very least. You wouldn't expect to have much success by taking on somebody straight out of high school and making them regional sales manager for your multi million dollar business, would you?

There is experience to be gained by a rookie playing in game situations, for sure. But it isn't necessarily worthwhile experience if their head is cluttered with thoughts of the new throwing mechanics that the coaches have been working on with them, instead of trying to read the defence and make the right throw.

I don't disagree that some rookies can come in and play and gain useful experience straight away, but it isn't a fallacy that most would be better served by holding a clipboard and watching an experienced pro for a year.

I'm going to nail my colours to the mast, and say that I hope we pick up Locker in the second round (or late first if we can trade down and get him that way), and let Shanahan work on his accuracy and learning the playbook for a year.

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:51 am

Skinsfan55 wrote:Also, I think it's a fallacy that you have to sit a young QB so they can learn. Think about your job? How much would you actually learn by sitting there and watching someone else do it? In baseball you either start a rookie or keep them in the minors so they can PLAY because they don't want to stunt a player's growth and learning comes from gaining experience.

A quarterback sitting behind Grossman for a year will have the exact same amount of experience under his belt a year from now.

If Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan showed us anything it's that starting a rookie QB right away can only help.

Whilst I agree that some qb's can come in and contribute right away, I don't think your analogy is right. You're not talking about throwing somebody in to be an admin assistant or payroll clerk - qb is a position that equates far more to a middle management role, at the very least. You wouldn't expect to have much success by taking on somebody straight out of high school and making them regional sales manager for your multi million dollar business, would you?

There is experience to be gained by a rookie playing in game situations, for sure. But it isn't necessarily worthwhile experience if their head is cluttered with thoughts of the new throwing mechanics that the coaches have been working on with them, instead of trying to read the defence and make the right throw.

I don't disagree that some rookies can come in and play and gain useful experience straight away, but it isn't a fallacy that most would be better served by holding a clipboard and watching an experienced pro for a year.

I'm going to nail my colours to the mast, and say that I hope we pick up Locker in the second round (or late first if we can trade down and get him that way), and let Shanahan work on his accuracy and learning the playbook for a year.

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:53 am

Ah, the old double post - if a thing's worth saying, then it's worth saying twice...lol

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