Criticism Abounds....Skins are soft....!!!

[tribeofjudah]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 05800.html

Even your girl Sally is chiming in.....

The main thing we learned from the Washington Redskins' loss to the St. Louis Rams is that it's going to take two more drafts to rebuild the team, not just one. The Redskins have now been beaten in consecutive weeks by two of the youngest teams in the league, and they've faded badly in the fourth quarter while doing it. That's not about scheme, or one or two positions on the field, or some weird curse-like malaise. It's about their inability to punch the other team in the mouth.

[CanesSkins26]

I think she's more saying that the team is old and runs out of gas, not that they are soft. And she's right. We do have one of the oldest rosters in the league and not much in the way of young talent.

[tribeofjudah]

This is a "residue" of the Cerrato era.......causing us to be "soft"

Shanny also didn't do enough to address the situation. B Mitch says that Shanny needs to re-evaluate his own ego and start running a better progam (my paraphrase).

[KazooSkinsFan]

I don't read columns of Post sports columnists who hate the Redskins. Which means I only read the one by the Bears fan...

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

I think she's more saying that the team is old and runs out of gas, not that they are soft. And she's right. We do have one of the oldest rosters in the league and not much in the way of young talent.

The biggest deficiency I see, is the team's inability to control time of possession. It's not a one-sided affair. If the offense could run the ball successfully, we could control more clock, and keep our defense fresh.

If our defense could play better as unit, they'd be off the field sooner and give our offense more opps to keep them [the defense] off the field.

The bright side to this team is leadership at key positions, such as QB, on offense, and LB on defense, in addition to the coaches.

I think they're one players-only meeting away from coming together as a team and deciding to play better football and shock the naysayers.

[ATX_Skins]

This last game our D was out of gas during the first 5 minutes.

We are soft, nobody fears our defense. When we had Sean back there (don't like bringing this up but...) every team in the league feared throwing on us. Now teams just throw the playbook at us.

[Wahoo McDaniels]

The bright side to this team is leadership at key positions, such as QB, on offense, and LB on defense, in addition to the coaches.

I think they're one players-only meeting away from coming together as a team and deciding to play better football and shock the naysayers.

You do realize that there's no way McNabb re-signs with the Skins next year. Why would he possibly want to come back to this dumpster when he's gonna have the Vikings knocking down his door.

So regardless of the leadership building, you're going to see many of the leaders leave after this year (add London to the list along with McNabb). So, back to Square 1 again, as is the case with the Skins.

[SkinsJock]

not much to discuss here

[tribeofjudah]

I think she's more saying that the team is old and runs out of gas, not that they are soft. And she's right. We do have one of the oldest rosters in the league and not much in the way of young talent.

The biggest deficiency I see, is the team's inability to control time of possession. It's not a one-sided affair. If the offense could run the ball successfully, we could control more clock, and keep our defense fresh.

If our defense could play better as unit, they'd be off the field sooner and give our offense more opps to keep them [the defense] off the field.

The bright side to this team is leadership at key positions, such as QB, on offense, and LB on defense, in addition to the coaches.

I think they're one players-only meeting away from coming together as a team and deciding to play better football and shock the naysayers.

Awe...Gibbs, holding that Bible again. No offense on the Bible - it's a Favorite book. As MC Hammer once sang: This is has "got to pray, just to make it today"

[MDSKINSFAN]

The bright side to this team is leadership at key positions, such as QB, on offense, and LB on defense, in addition to the coaches.

We do have leadership at those positions, but that leadership will be gone soon. Fletch has a couple good years left in him and McNabb has a few good years left too if he actually does resign here. I hope we have a team that can contend before they have to hang 'em up.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Dmac and Fletch retire here.. Anything else is a dumb statement. I come here for encouragement w some venting and occasional ignorance. That post is the latter. But you aren't jus yer statement. YOU are GREAT!

[crazyhorse1]

not much to discuss here

As one who has insisted that Shanny and Allen were poor personnel people from day one, I offer again the notion. They've simply fielded a lousy team with no OL and no viable WR except Moss. Using Galloway instead of Armstrong or Thomas, simply put, strengthens my conviction. To watch our two OL guards and center is painful, as well as further confirmation.

A lot of you cheered when S and A did nothing in the FA market and drafted only one decent OL, but I cringed. You also did a lot of undue worshiping of S and A, which made me want to puke. Consider the great job they did picking up Larry Johnson.

Further, so far it appears that Shanny's decision to go with the 3-4 is an almost incredibly bad one (since we don't have the right players to play it.) I sense doom. Please don't mention any more that S and A are real football professionals who are headed in the right direction. No, they're not. The 3-4 is supposed to be tough against the pass. What a laugh. Expect to have teams we play to have banner days against our 3-4 all year. Both Carter and Rak are lousy linebackers and the four guys beind them haven't a clue.
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[cowboykillerzRGiii]

You keep orakpo out yer lien mouth B!!!!

[chiefhog44]

not much to discuss here

As one who has insisted that Shanny and Allen were poor personnel people from day one, I offer again the notion. They've simply fielded a lousy team with no OL and no viable WR except Moss. Using Galloway instead of Armstrong or Thomas, simply put, strengthens my conviction. To watch our two OL guards and center is painful, as well as further confirmation.

A lot of you cheered when S and A did nothing in the FA market and drafted only one decent OL, but I cringed. You also did a lot of undue worshiping of S and A, which made me want to puke. Consider the great job they did picking up Larry Johnson.

Further, so far it appears that Shanny's decision to go with the 3-4 is an almost incredibly bad one (since we don't have the right players to play it.) I sense doom. Please don't mention any more that S and A are real football professionals who are headed in the right direction. No, they're not. The 3-4 is supposed to be tough against the pass. What a laugh. Expect to have teams we play to have banner days against our 3-4 all year. Both Carter and Rak are lousy linebackers and the four guys beind them haven't a clue.
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Simmer down. They brought in some backup players who they have cut already. big deal. At least they didn't hang on to them for the entire season. They did a fantastic job drafting Williams, and other than drafting players, how else are you going to bring in starting talent? It doesn't happen.

So I for one am not ready to deem Shanny and Allen a bust for at least a couple years, and expect to see progress along the way. It's the third game dude. Simmer

[KazooSkinsFan]

not much to discuss here

As one who has insisted that Shanny and Allen were poor personnel people from day one, I offer again the notion. They've simply fielded a lousy team with no OL and no viable WR except Moss. Using Galloway instead of Armstrong or Thomas, simply put, strengthens my conviction. To watch our two OL guards and center is painful, as well as further confirmation...
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Yes, you offered it before they'd had a practice, before they'd played a pre-season game and now that they've actually played three games it's got to be just mind numbing to you how dense we are for not recognizing what an abject failure this regime is for not fixing all our problems in one off-season. Very frustrating, I feel you...

[SkinsJock]

As one who has insisted that Shanny and Allen were poor personnel people from day one, I offer again the notion.

we'll see - give them time

a lot of 'respected' NFL people felt that this franchise was heading in the right direction by bringing in Allen and Shanahan - the only caveat was the concern that Snyder would still be involved - the answer I believe is clear - we are heading in the right direction and Snyder is not involved

They've simply fielded a lousy team with no OL and no viable WR except Moss. Using Galloway instead of Armstrong or Thomas, simply put, strengthens my conviction. To watch our two OL guards and center is painful, as well as further confirmation.

typical ch1 - another overstated post - we do have offensive issues but these guys IMO did fairly well - the offensive situation here was woeful - it will take time to rebuild

A lot of you cheered when S and A did nothing in the FA market and drafted only one decent OL, but I cringed. You also did a lot of undue worshiping of S and A, which made me want to puke. Consider the great job they did picking up Larry Johnson.

learning from your mistakes is a good thing - I'm glad we did not mortgage our future

I feel they were handcuffed and tried to find solutions without giving up too much

Further, so far it appears that Shanny's decision to go with the 3-4 is an almost incredibly bad one (since we don't have the right players to play it.) I sense doom. Please don't mention any more that S and A are real football professionals who are headed in the right direction. No, they're not. The 3-4 is supposed to be tough against the pass. What a laugh. Expect to have teams we play to have banner days against our 3-4 all year. Both Carter and Rak are lousy linebackers and the four guys beind them haven't a clue.

when fans make stupid statements like this to try and support their claims, it makes the poster look silly

Orakpo and Carter are not lousy linebackers and aluding to Landry as "not having a clue" is just "crazy" - please do not try and justify your assertion - stupid statements like this are why we get on your case here

we do have a world of trouble here but Allen & Shanahan are trying to rebuild this franchise - I think that many here are more frustrated because they were thinking playoffs and now are looking reality in the eye - when some of us thought that 8-8 or 9-7 would be a great season here, I think that some thought that given the "new" 3-4 defense and how it works on other teams, and the addition of McNabb and other offensive acquisitions, things would be a lot better

our offensive line needs a huge makeover and these guys did pretty good by adding players but there are a number of guys here still, that aren't even good backups

our defense is a nightmare and I understand the frustration - I really do think the 3-4 is a better defense and I hope that Haslett finds a way to utilise what he has better - he has to find a way to turn things around or I believe he will be gone

we are not good but we are getting better - the terrible mess we were in last year is going to take at least another draft and some careful managing to get well again

I think these guys will get the job done and they just need time - it cannot magically happen like some here seem to think

[CanesSkins26]

Orakpo and Carter are not lousy linebackers and aluding to Landry as "not having a clue" is just "crazy" - please do not try and justify your assertion - stupid statements like this are why we get on your case here

Carter is a miserable linebacker. He simply has no clue out there. He's missing tackles, out of position, and is awful in coverage. He is a BAD linebacker.

Orakpo does not look anywhere near as comfortable this year as last. He looks lost in coverage. He is still a beast but he should be playing with his hand on the ground.

we do have a world of trouble here but Allen & Shanahan are trying to rebuild this franchise

Are they trying to rebuild or are they trying to win now? It's hard to tell so far. We haven't brought in much youth, are still the oldest team in the league, and traded more draft picks. I'm not sure that it's very clear yet what it is that they are trying to do.

our offensive line needs a huge makeover and these guys did pretty good by adding players but there are a number of guys here still, that aren't even good backups

Agree. They did about as well as they could with the oline in one offseason.[/quote]

[SkinsJock]

Canes - I agree that Orakpo and Carter are not playing LB very well at all so far this year in this 3-4 scheme

crazyhorse1 claimed that they are both lousy linebackers - they may not be very good LBs but they are not lousy linebackers - in my opinion that is just exaggerating to try to make a point - he knows better

we all know that this 3-4 has not looked at all good or promising - but the guys in charge here made the decision to switch and despite all the evidence to the contrary I don't think they would be staying with the scheme to just prove a point

I have confidence that a lot of things here in all facets are going to improve

let's face it - it could not get much worse than last week - and despite everything I still have hope because at least this year we have guys in charge that know what they are doing - Danny Smith is highly regarded as a ST coach and I don't believe he will allow a level of play from STs like that again

[SkinsJock]

Are they trying to rebuild or are they trying to win now? It's hard to tell so far. We haven't brought in much youth, are still the oldest team in the league, and traded more draft picks. I'm not sure that it's very clear yet what it is that they are trying to do.

I think it's a combination - they have been restrained but they've also added and they had to bring in older players to get some players

I do hope that we'll make a huge effort to get a lot younger but it's going to take time to undo the mess that we have here

[CanesSkins26]

Are they trying to rebuild or are they trying to win now? It's hard to tell so far. We haven't brought in much youth, are still the oldest team in the league, and traded more draft picks. I'm not sure that it's very clear yet what it is that they are trying to do.

I think it's a combination - they have been restrained but they've also added and they had to bring in older players to get some players

I do hope that we'll make a huge effort to get a lot younger but it's going to take time to undo the mess that we have here

I think that this offseason will be very telling. If we see a serious youth movement and a major focus on the draft, that, in my opinion, will be a strong sign of moving in the right direction. If we continue to go with vets and trade more picks then I am going to seriously start doubting the new regime. We NEED to get younger.

[chiefhog44]

Are they trying to rebuild or are they trying to win now? It's hard to tell so far. We haven't brought in much youth, are still the oldest team in the league, and traded more draft picks. I'm not sure that it's very clear yet what it is that they are trying to do.

I think it's a combination - they have been restrained but they've also added and they had to bring in older players to get some players

I do hope that we'll make a huge effort to get a lot younger but it's going to take time to undo the mess that we have here

I think that this offseason will be very telling. If we see a serious youth movement and a major focus on the draft, that, in my opinion, will be a strong sign of moving in the right direction. If we continue to go with vets and trade more picks then I am going to seriously start doubting the new regime. We NEED to get younger.

Congratulations. You have Ifficially been identified as THE first person to talk about the offseason, and it's only three games in. Nice attitude

[CanesSkins26]

I think it's a combination - they have been restrained but they've also added and they had to bring in older players to get some players

I do hope that we'll make a huge effort to get a lot younger but it's going to take time to undo the mess that we have here

I think that this offseason will be very telling. If we see a serious youth movement and a major focus on the draft, that, in my opinion, will be a strong sign of moving in the right direction. If we continue to go with vets and trade more picks then I am going to seriously start doubting the new regime. We NEED to get younger.

Congratulations. You have Ifficially been identified as THE first person to talk about the offseason, and it's only three games in. Nice attitude

[VetSkinsFan]

I think it's a combination - they have been restrained but they've also added and they had to bring in older players to get some players

I do hope that we'll make a huge effort to get a lot younger but it's going to take time to undo the mess that we have here

I think that this offseason will be very telling. If we see a serious youth movement and a major focus on the draft, that, in my opinion, will be a strong sign of moving in the right direction. If we continue to go with vets and trade more picks then I am going to seriously start doubting the new regime. We NEED to get younger.

Congratulations. You have Ifficially been identified as THE first person to talk about the offseason, and it's only three games in. Nice attitude

Actually, he's not. There was a guy about a month ago talking about next draft.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

You do realize that there's no way McNabb re-signs with the Skins next year. Why would he possibly want to come back to this dumpster when he's gonna have the Vikings knocking down his door.

Seriously, do you really think McNabb signs with Minnesota? That would be 2 rebuilding processes in 2 yrs, because there's NO WAY Childress stays after Favre retires.

And, while McNabb, survived the Philly winters, I can't see him moving his family to a place where winters are even more harsh! Not buying McNabb to Minny.

[KazooSkinsFan]

You do realize that there's no way McNabb re-signs with the Skins next year. Why would he possibly want to come back to this dumpster when he's gonna have the Vikings knocking down his door.

Seriously, do you really think McNabb signs with Minnesota? That would be 2 rebuilding processes in 2 yrs, because there's NO WAY Childress stays after Favre retires.

And, while McNabb, survived the Philly winters, I can't see him moving his family to a place where winters are even more harsh! Not buying McNabb to Minny.

McNabb's also a loyal guy. He didn't leave Phillly until they drove him out. I think he's here to stay. Also, some Skins "fans" like to bash on how no player would want to play here, and yet they not only do but most of them actually do want to stay when they could leave. It's more a bash the Skins story then a reality story