Please explain something

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:36 pm

The game is still going on, but I just need an explanation - when you are down by 3 scores, with 4th and goal, why would you not kick a field goal?

could someone please explain this to me?

thanks

RedskinsFreak · Post by **RedskinsFreak** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:38 pm

Because you get too wrapped up in the totality of the deficit (17 points) instead of how you might go about reducing it.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:39 pm

OOOHHHH OOOOOOHHHH I know!!!

Because, even though Sherm Lewis is calling plays, Zorn still calls 4th down...

seriously... that's it.

JCaptMorgan12 · Post by **JCaptMorgan12** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:48 pm

give me a break... when your offense is as pathetic as the skins is, you should go for it... it was a perfect call, and if Rabach didn't snap it into his big butt, Thomas was WIDE OPEN once again... though, we would have to count on JC hitting him...

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:54 pm

lol You guys really think Suisham can kick an onside, hell you saw it for yourself. They might as well go for it and try to save face.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:02 am

Because common sense is not common. Close thread.

FireVinny · Post by **FireVinny** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:13 am

I had no problem with the call... you need touchdowns (2) to win the game and chances were that we wouldn't have a better shot at the end zone than that one. If you're a betting man and had us to beat the spead, then you should be upset. Otherwise, it was the right call to have a shot at winning the game.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:15 am

Again, it's not the play call but the biggest issue of the season. This team can't execute

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:15 am

FireVinny wrote:I had no problem with the call... you need touchdowns (2) to win the game and chances were that we wouldn't have a better shot at the end zone than that one. If you're a betting man and had us to beat the spead, then you should be upset. Otherwise, it was the right call to have a shot at winning the game.

We needed 3 scores to tie the game. It was idiotic to not take the points. We needed a field goal at some point so you take the points when you can get them. Even if we score a td there we still need a td and a fg to tie the game. Just another mistake in the long line of Zorn miscues as head coach. Gruden himself said that it was a mistake not to kick the fg.

FireVinny · Post by **FireVinny** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:28 am

Seriously? That was the mistake in the game? As I think you said on another thread, we were down by 17 with 4:40 left... yes we needed 3 scores, but only if at least 2 of those scores were TDs... otherwise we needed 4! What are the chances that we can get better shots at the end zone than the 4 yard line TWICE in 4:40? IF we were going to win, we needed a TD there.

Here's the real question: how could we have had a better shot: a touchdown on 4th from the 4 plus field goal starting from our own 40 with 1:30 left or a FG from the 4 and a TD starting from our own 40 with 1:30 left. Maybe in reality it's a coin toss, but if you need at least 2 TDs, I pick going for it on 4th every time.

FireVinny · Post by **FireVinny** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:31 am

BTW: if we had been down by 10, I 100% agree with you, kick the field goal. However, we needed at least 2 TDs, so we had to go for the 7.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:09 am

FireVinny wrote:BTW: if we had been down by 10, I 100% agree with you, kick the field goal. However, we needed at least 2 TDs, so we had to go for the 7.

In hindsight, if you woulda kicked it, it would have made it a diff ball game.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:21 am

ok! a little math for some of you - when you are down by 17, you need to score 2 touchdowns and a field goal - NOW, you have an offense that has not been able to score points - you take points whenever you can - this is not about being able to regain an onside kick or trying to make a point for the players sake - it's just basic football :shock:

To say that the decision was justified is the same as saying a team should go for 2 to win the game rather than an extra point to tie it OR the same as saying, I think we should go for the TD when a FG would tie the score :shock:

Anyway - this team has a hard enough time just scoring points - I cannot understand why you would not kick the FG - nobody so far has explained it and will not be able to IMHO :lol:

what a joke this team is - Jake's right someone should just lock this thread - the team is just dysfunctional at this time

Shae · Post by **Shae** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:48 am

Jim Zorn made that situational decision...

The CORRECT call is to kick the FG on the first 4th down.

NC43Hog · Post by **NC43Hog** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:12 pm

It's actually very simple.

If you kick the field goal (and make it), you are down 2 scores.

If you go for it on fourth (and don't make it) you are still down by 3 scores.

It doesn't matter if it's 3 or 7, you need the points.

You play your percentages. It's like chess - you have to be looking at your moves 2, 3, 4 possessions in front on you.