Portis......

skin_to_the_bone · Post by **skin_to_the_bone** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:28 am

I'm going to make a prediction right now. I say Portis wins MVP next year. And here's how Im gonna back it up. Gibbs is all about giving the feature back 25- 30 carries a game. He's bound for at least 100- 150 yards each outing. He may even get 50 yards a game recieving as well ( on average ). This guy is so damn good that teams will over pursue him and then its payday for Coles, MCants, Gardner, Rasby, or Cartright. He is that good, that he already is compared to Marshall Faulk as the "complete offensive package". I don't think I'm being unrealistic at all.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/s ... atsId=5937

He missed 3 games last year and still put up unbelievable numbers! He was on pace to have 1958 yrds rushing and 47 receptions Shannahan's offense is huge on the run too, but the Skins will put this young stud to work big time. If he can stay healthy for the season and get an average of even 25 carries a game he will get around 2200 yrds. Notice: in both seasons he averages 5.5 yrds a carry and he will be only 23 by the start of the season. At 20 carries he would still have 1760. Now throw Gibbs and Bugel in the Mix. He will be an MVP pretty damn soon and I'm gonna put my chips on next year.

Lastly, Manning won the MVP last year and defenses will go nuts studying film trying to stop this guy as they do with every MVP. Portis is so good and with him in a even more productive running system teams will have complete fits. He has the ability to single handedly beat an opponent and he won't need to with this offense. So who thinks that I'm over ephasizing on what his production will be and who thinks that the numbers don't lie. If the guy is healthy and (AT LEAST) stays on his pace, he may just pull off an innaugrial MVP season in DC. $\:D/$ :celebrate:

MO-HOG · Post by **MO-HOG** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:56 am

Only time will tell if everyone is right,but I know one thing and that is if the "counter-tre" is run correctly this guy can run forever.

Davis couldn't hold a candle to portis.
I can't remember when we had this kind of runner.

You guy's are right about him,just can't wait to see him.

Good luck guy's you have a very good forum here.

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:18 am

i dunno. jamal lewis' season wasn't too shabby (almost breaking the single-season rushing record) and he was passed over for mvp. and that offense is nothing without him. if lewis isn't on that team, they would have finished 6-10. if that's not the definition of mvp, i don't know what is.

redskins56 · Post by **redskins56** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:52 am

joebag, very good point...

Back to Portis though, those speculations and expectations are lofty, but definitely attainable. C-Port is a monster, there is no arguing against that, and playing in Gibbs' offense will be the best thing that ever happened to him. I'm just a little leery on whether or not he could take the beating a big back would take.

If he does though, there is no doubting in my mind he could run for 2000 yards... :shock:

-Geepz

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 11:04 am

You know what though? I would be really doggone happy with the numbers he has put up over the last two years and not a yard more ::grin::

even with Davis it wasn't a sure thing and this kid gives ya goose bumps - with his speed and explosiveness the defenses will HAVE to react to him when he takes part in play action... I can just see LBs and safeties sucking in now... ::big evil smile::

skin_to_the_bone · Post by **skin_to_the_bone** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:53 pm

skinsfaninroanoke wrote:You know what though? I would be really doggone happy with the numbers he has put up over the last two years and not a yard more ::grin::

even with Davis it wasn't a sure thing and this kid gives ya goose bumps - with his speed and explosiveness the defenses will HAVE to react to him when he takes part in play action... I can just see LBs and safeties sucking in now... ::big evil smile::

This was the whole beauty of posting this about Portis. I knew that most people would be very optomistic about this guy. He defenitely helps us get over losing Davis (a healthy Davis). He averages 5.5 a carry. That's awesome, that can only mean less 3rd and especially 4th down situations. And as Rich wrote about being happy with his two previous seasons duplicated, I like the sounds of that. Yet, I think he is certainly capable of doing more. As for Jamal Lewis he is another pedigree of a back, and that guy didn't have much of a recieving corps to mix it up. Thats the difference between the two of them. Having Coles, Gardner, and McCants without mentioning any others is enough to drive the best D cooridanators crazy. I'm sure there will be a couple teams that will have his number and stop him kinda like how Vick is own by the Bucs, but the other teams will make up for that. Adding him (Portis)alone should give us a few extra victories alone just by keeping our D off the field and finishing off games we have the 4th quarter lead in. Two years ago we desperately needed a kicker, then it was this and that. Well I think we met our savior in a RB that will continue to blossum as he enters his hayday. I still think a healthy Portis puts him in MVP contention. Like I said before I'd put my chips on him. Portis for MVP 2004. I can hear the chants now.

The better our team gets form here on out highly puts in in a better contention for the division title.

"What a long strange trip its been."

Texas Redskin · Post by **Texas Redskin** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:02 pm

Please everybody pray to the Big Redskin fan in the sky to please, please, please keep Portis healthy and all will be right with the world. If he stays healthy and with Gibbs as our coach, I have no doubt in my mind that we make the play-offs next year and for many more years to come.

skin_to_the_bone · Post by **skin_to_the_bone** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:08 pm

The Redskins Nation asks For A sign that Portis will stay healthy.

skin_to_the_bone · Post by **skin_to_the_bone** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:41 am

joebagadonuts wrote:i dunno. jamal lewis' season wasn't too shabby (almost breaking the single-season rushing record) and he was passed over for mvp. and that offense is nothing without him. if lewis isn't on that team, they would have finished 6-10. if that's not the definition of mvp, i don't know what is.

Thats a great point how Lewis got overlooked but I would say that Peyton Manning completely deserved the title of MVP. Maybe a Co- MVp was more appropiate. I think that Portis would have gave us a huge upside last year, and with all the things done already this year, plus the 5th pick in our laps, and the reunion of Gibbs and the Skins......I could go on, and on ,and on

Portis is defenitely be a candidate if he lives up to his career numbers and take us into the playoffs and beyond.

SoCalSkinFan · Post by **SoCalSkinFan** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:15 am

Portis has the protential to be a MVP this year. He is a scary back. Sorry, but I think that Tomlinson is the best all around back in the NFL. For a back that had such a bad O-line as he did and still ran for over 1600 yards and catch 100 passes, in my book is a awesome accomplishment. If LT had the O-line that Lewis had, he could have ran for 3000 yards. Its a shame that he doesn't get the recognition that other backs get. Under Gibbs, Portis will get alot of work and a ton of yardage. I hope he stays health cause if he does, he will be great.

skin_to_the_bone · Post by **skin_to_the_bone** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:17 am

SoCalSkinFan wrote:Portis has the protential to be a MVP this year. He is a scary back. Sorry, but I think that Tomlinson is the best all around back in the NFL. For a back that had such a bad O-line as he did and still ran for over 1600 yards and catch 100 passes, in my book is a awesome accomplishment. If LT had the O-line that Lewis had, he could have ran for 3000 yards. Its a shame that he doesn't get the recognition that other backs get. Under Gibbs, Portis will get alot of work and a ton of yardage. I hope he stays health cause if he does, he will be great.

Its funny you say that, last year I predicted the Chargers to be the cinderella in the AFC and the Panthers in the NFC. As you can see I was half right. I certainly ddn't expect either of them to go to the Super Bowl though. As for LT I think 3000 is defenitely a figure of speach on your part, but he is the sole reason I thaught they would have been better than they ended up being. Tomlinson is amazing as is Portis respectively. Both were in organizations that are all about "Marty Ball". Now Portis converting to Gibbs' styled offense won't be too difficult for him to learn. I put Portis and LT in the top 5 easily among backs in the league. Tomlinson, I'm sad to say will probably be injured soon if they don't provide him with some type of O-line that is worth mentioning. Portis was spoiled with Denver's line and should feel right at home with Bugel getting our Line back on track. The other problem that LT faces was he didn't win the games for them, that largely due to no supporting cast and Drew Brees pretty much sucked during his sophomore year.I think LT may end up being traded if they don't get things turned around fast in San Diego. Several teams would jump at him in a heartbeat. There wouldn't be a Hershell Walker type trade but close to it. San Diego's best bet is get to get Manning in the Draft. Trade Brees for maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder(some franchise would do it) and then lock those two ( Eli and LT) up for the future, and build around them. Now adays you don't win the MVP when your team is in a downward spiral, with that being said Portis has the advantage over LT as long as the Skins produce and produce BIG.

redskinsranger · Post by **redskinsranger** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 4:06 pm

I personally think Portis will carry us in a way that we've long been deprived of. Really, 26 has the leadership and ability to help us a lot. You all have really, really, good points, nice topic.

skin_to_the_bone · Post by **skin_to_the_bone** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 8:27 pm

redskinsranger wrote:I personally think Portis will carry us in a way that we've long been deprived of. Really, 26 has the leadership and ability to help us a lot. You all have really, really, good points, nice topic.

Thank you for the vote of confidence, Redskinsranger. Portis certianly gives us that punch we have missed so much. In "the Rock" post I submitted last night, I stressed on his youth, abilities, and his salary. Considering what we Paid for Portis and how we got him, its a lot of money tied up into believing he's "the One", but at the same time with salaries driving up in complete escalation, he won't be the highest paid back for long. If we were to keep someone of Trungs caliber behind him in the depth chart, we could have one of the best 1-2 punches out of the backfield. With Trung's contract being an issue, we still would have a great backfield with Betts, Rock, and Morton getting some looks at the spot as well.

Basically what My point is, this is one of our bright spots on the depth chart. Either way we can't lose with having Portis, and any of those 3 behind him. And I think Cartwright will be a great FB when and if Gibbs decides to use him in that capacity.

gambit187 · Post by **gambit187** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 8:30 pm

Portis had 806 years in 6 games against the Chargers, Chiefs, and Raiders

Ranked 27,28 and 30 in Defense...

Thats not the Giants, Eagles or the Cowboys....

skin_to_the_bone · Post by **skin_to_the_bone** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 8:42 pm

gambit187 wrote:Portis had 806 years in 6 games against the Chargers, Chiefs, and Raiders

Ranked 27,28 and 30 in Defense...

Thats not the Giants, Eagles or the Cowboys....

Be patient Gambit, you're Cowboys will get there opprotunity to stuff him from time to time. BUT he won't be shut dwon completely. He's only 22 and getting better. Regaurdless of what he did against who, the man averaged 5.5 a carry in his last year at MIAMI AND HIS FIRST 2 YEARS IN THE PROS! I believe that speaks for itself.

NC43Hog · Post by **NC43Hog** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 8:44 pm

Don't forget he will have Gibbs running the show and Bugel in charge of the Hogs (ok potential Hogs) - that should give him around 80 yards per game alone.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 8:46 pm

The competition might be stunted if Jamal Lewis goes to jail, boys. I'm sure Portis can get MVP type yards behind that line, but it all goes back to how your team does. I got into this with a Texas Rangers fan a year or two ago, about A-Rod. He was all about how A-Rod should be the MVP in MLB every year with the numbers he puts up. My feeling was that a true MVP makes or breaks his team. He agreed. So, I asked him "Where would the Rangers be in their division without A-Rod ? He said, "Dead last."
Then I asked him, "Where did the Rangers finish in their Division with him ?"
He hasn't spoken to me since.
Still, it's true. Your team has to be successful for you to be a true MVP, in any sport.
So, in my mind, this whole argument goes to how well we work together and win together. The only thing between Portis and the MVP are those pesky little 16 games we have to play.

skin_to_the_bone · Post by **skin_to_the_bone** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 9:08 pm

tcwest10 wrote:The competition might be stunted if Jamal Lewis goes to jail, boys. I'm sure Portis can get MVP type yards behind that line, but it all goes back to how your team does. I got into this with a Texas Rangers fan a year or two ago, about A-Rod. He was all about how A-Rod should be the MVP in MLB every year with the numbers he puts up. My feeling was that a true MVP makes or breaks his team. He agreed. So, I asked him "Where would the Rangers be in their division without A-Rod ? He said, "Dead last."
Then I asked him, "Where did the Rangers finish in their Division with him ?"
He hasn't spoken to me since.
Still, it's true. Your team has to be successful for you to be a true MVP, in any sport.
So, in my mind, this whole argument goes to how well we work together and win together. The only thing between Portis and the MVP are those pesky little 16 games we have to play

I've always agreed with that, an MVP has to be out of a successful team. A few years bck it was our secial teams, then our running game, now its our D-line. If this team can gel around Portis we will make huge strides. He alone is our best "Offensive AND Defensive" move we made all year. He will give us the upper hand in time of possession, in most games. If we create turn overs more than we give up and don't make stupid penalties, we won't have to worry about Portis being on a losing Team.

The one thing that Gibbs, Parcells, Fox, Bellicheck and several other coaches have in common is "attention to detail" or "the basics". If we play smart football and let other teams screw up, we win. Seems easier said than done, but its what Gibbs is gonna set straight from day one.