Is war with North Korea inevitable?

Cappster · Post by **Cappster** » Thu May 28, 2009 9:25 am

NK is pushing their thumbs into the eyes of the rest of the world. The keep firing missiles and setting off nuclear weapons with reckless abandon. So do you think war is inevitable with this rogue nation or are sanctions ever going to work?

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu May 28, 2009 11:21 am

I doubt there will be war. That would be the start of WWIII, and nukes would surely get used.

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Thu May 28, 2009 12:12 pm

Personally, I think the key is to get China involved. If anyone is going to be able to pressure them into backing off, it is their big brother to the West.

Or we can say they are being "provocative" and "belligerent" until they build up a full arsenal and their lunatic leader can end civilization as we know it.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Thu May 28, 2009 8:37 pm

JansenFan wrote:Personally, I think the key is to get China involved. If anyone is going to be able to pressure them into backing off, it is their big brother to the West.

Or we can say they are being "provocative" and "belligerent" until they build up a full arsenal and their lunatic leader can end civilization as we know it.

There ARE reasons why these tests took place. They send messages to those who can understand them beyond the threat of nuclear war.

And PRC -was- already involved in giving NK a green light to do this, Just sayin' ... :wink:

thedcnative · Post by **thedcnative** » Thu May 28, 2009 9:04 pm

Yeah, but it sounds like China's changing their tune. They said they're among the "concerned" parties that aren't alright with what's going on in North Korea. I think they're trying to, excuse the pun, push our buttons. They might find that they've digged themselves in a nasty hole.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Thu May 28, 2009 9:25 pm

Yes, a war is very avoidable. I wish we had avoided the last dozen wars that were also avoidable, too.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Thu May 28, 2009 10:44 pm

We should send Hans Blix to threaten to send him an angry letter.

I know that's extreme... but it's how I feel.

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thedcnative · Post by **thedcnative** » Fri May 29, 2009 6:34 am

"Now, North Korea. Is this something you should be doing? I think we might need to give you a timeout. Now, you sit over there and think about what you've done."
-The United Nations.

Cappster · Post by **Cappster** » Fri May 29, 2009 8:13 am

Irn-Bru wrote:Yes, a war is very avoidable. I wish we had avoided the last dozen wars that were also avoidable, too.

WWII was technically not avoidable as Hitler wanted to rule the world. I am not sure if that was 12 wars ago, but we were pressured and then bombed into that one.

I look at the NK situation in two ways.

1. Kimmy is trying to show his Napoleon complex to the rest of the world and that makes me think he has severe mental problems.

2. He is trying to start a war with Western nations knowing that China and possibly Russia has his back.

What is the solution to the problem?

Assassinate him? I don't think that will solve the problem, because one of his minions will step into his place.

Sanctions? Obviously this hasn't stopped him from building nuclear weapons and trying to build a long range missile. He is still a thorn in everyone's side.

War? WWIII would commence which is bad for everyone as nukes would definitely be used resulting in catastrophic loss of life. Not to mention our Army is stretched way too thin as it is.

I don't think there is a clear solution to the problem. We should have taken NK over back in the 50's (and that is according to my grandfather who was a paratrooper in the Korean war and current Democrat). The same can be said of Iraq in the early 90's. Now we have a rogue nation backed by two powerful armies that is begging the U.S. to attack it. Why can't we all just get along?

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Fri May 29, 2009 8:33 am

@ why can't we just all get along?
:idea:

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Fri May 29, 2009 9:13 am

thedcnative wrote:Yeah, but it sounds like China's changing their tune.

So that YOU understand this:

An action of this nature does not take place without AT LEAST notification to and possibly consultations with and even a green light from PRC.

Cappster wrote:1. Kimmy is trying to show his Napoleon complex to the rest of the world and that makes me think he has severe mental problems.

2. He is trying to start a war with Western nations knowing that China and possibly Russia has his back.

Wrong on number 1.

Wrong on number 2.

1. The Tests are about BLACKMAIL (two kinds: economic for NK and policy for PRC).

2. PRC do not have their back in case of war. NK is a useful regional surrogate threat to others on its behalf. There are several policy developments in the REGION taking place which PRC doesnot like and you do not know about. NK is acting as a surrogate of PRC to apply pressure on the West -and-, surprisingly to -YOU-, Japan in particular.

And no, I will not expand on this. Take it or leave it. Just keep it in mind. :idea:

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Fri May 29, 2009 9:28 am

So basically, China is already involved, just not in the way that I had hoped. ;furious;

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Fri May 29, 2009 9:38 am

JansenFan wrote:So basically, China is already involved, just not in the way that I had hoped.

Oh! But they will argue that they CAN definitely be of assistance in the way you see it ... for economic relief to NK and a policy change price of course.

Cappster · Post by **Cappster** » Fri May 29, 2009 10:06 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:
thedcnative wrote:Yeah, but it sounds like China's changing their tune.

So that YOU understand this:

An action of this nature does not take place without AT LEAST notification to and possibly consultations with and even a green light from PRC.

Cappster wrote:1. Kimmy is trying to show his Napoleon complex to the rest of the world and that makes me think he has severe mental problems.

2. He is trying to start a war with Western nations knowing that China and possibly Russia has his back.

Wrong on number 1.

Wrong on number 2.

1. The Tests are about BLACKMAIL (two kinds: economic for NK and policy for PRC).

2. PRC do not have their back in case of war. NK is a useful regional surrogate threat to others on its behalf. There are several policy developments in the REGION taking place which PRC doesnot like and you do not know about. NK is acting as a surrogate of PRC to apply pressure on the West -and-, surprisingly to -YOU-, Japan in particular.

And no, I will not expand on this. Take it or leave it. Just keep it in mind.

Do you work in the intelligence field or something (how else would you know about "developments")? You are basically saying, if I interpret it correctly, is that China is using NK to push its own agenda. The reasons for the tests, economic and policy, usually lead to that magically three letter word that changes the world as we know it.

On one hand we have a totalitarian state in China pushing for its influence and the U.S. which is always pushing for Democracy of some sort. Two big boys on the block that are sizing each other up and waiting for the other to make the first move.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Fri May 29, 2009 12:27 pm

Cappster wrote:The reasons for the tests, economic and policy, usually lead to that magically three letter word that changes the world as we know it.

I agree to disagree. A lot goes on before a situation of survival or last resort arrives. This is a chess match, not a stadium brawl.

Do you remember how often and for how long many people assured us repeatedly that war against the now extinct Soviet Union was unavoidable for the very same reasons you quote in the last paragraph of your message?

That action by NK is looking for a reaction among the American public EXACTLY like the one you are showing. NK does not scare the US military, the overreaction by the average American citizen might indeed scare the politicians in Washington and give in to some of their economic relief and policy demands. Be patient and stay tuned. :idea:

And, as you can tell from all my over 8,000 posts in this board, I am not on the side of the "intelligence field" in this board or anywhere else. Intelligent people do not post their 'intelligent' political views on a public board, right? I am not even intelligent period. There, I admit it. :lol:

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Fri May 29, 2009 6:53 pm

Intelligent people do not post their 'intelligent' political views on a public board, right? I am not even intelligent period.

I would truly like to desribe what you are full of, but the board filters forbid it.

Continue, please. It's nice to read someone who actually has a clue about what Uncle Kimmy is up to... or are you just going to tease?

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:57 am

Can you negotiate with a mad man? Can you talk sense into an ignorant person? Can you change the ways and thoughts of a stubborn man?

It is really really difficult to do if even possible. Unfortunately force is needed sometimes. North Korea with nuclear weapons is bad news. Very bad news.

Think of it this way. All it takes is one moment of stupidity. Just one moment for this Kim character and he could launch a nuke into some neighboring country or even the U.S.A.

Stupid men with Power always equals disaster. History has proven this time and time again. War always seems to be part of that equation as well.

The bottom line is this. We have a mad man with the power to launch nucleur weapons.

We have to either remove the nukes. Or remove the man in power. An assassination sounds like a good plan. Send in special forces and and the 10 best snipers to do the job.