Which issue is the biggest concern for the Skins in 2009?

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Which one is the biggest concern for the Skins in 2009?

The front office
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Coaching Staff
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Offensive Line
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I just noticed I'm at 999 posts, so i thought for #1000 I would try to start a good "big picture" topic to cover a whole gamut of issues. :lol:

1. The front office, who we recognize predominately as Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, minus a real NFL GM, has had a very checkered past. I don't need to recap the whole history, but suffice it to say, they have provided a roller coaster ride of free agent signings, trades, drafts, coaches and approaches. (that rhymes :shock: )

It seems every couple of years, despite any real indication of improvement or movement forward, Snyder re-invents himself (or tries to) as a "behind the scenes" owner or a "hands-on" owner or a "spend-thrifty" owner or a "pro-draft" owner. But in my opinion, except for some of the Gibbs II tenure, Snyder has been the same old "spend first, ask questions later" owner that he was when he first bought the franchise from the Cook family. Yes, he's gotten marginally better at his spending, but every time you think he's grown wiser and might be realizing that none of the best NFL franchises operate with such disdain for draft picks, he goes out and makes a move that is just a total head-scratcher. There is still no GM on staff and he still seems to occasionally make moves that lack common football sense.

2. Zorn and the coaching staff got off to a nice start last year despite some serious obstacles. No one in football predicted they would be 6-2 mid-season and begrudging accolades were coming from all corners of the football world. Then the cookie began to crumble and we the fans are still debating about why and who to blame. I bet Zorn is too. Blache did a solid job and he is one of my favorite coaches. A true throwback, IMO. Buges might be losing his touch a little, but then again, how much is he to blame for the lack of depth and youth? I often wonder, if our kicking and punting games are a huge question mark every year, why is our special teams coach still employed? even though he begged for a 6th round pick to be used on a punter we later cut? :shock:

3. You have some inexperience at the QB position and just enough mediocrity to make it real hard to pull the trigger for or against Jason Campbell. He has class, is big and strong and fairly mobile. He seems to have all the tools you look for, big arm, accuracy is developing especially on deep outs. He is hard to bring down and took a nice step forward last year as a team leader. But, he holds the ball too long at times. He doesn't always show nice touch on some passes although Zorn has him improving that. He gets antsy and shows indecision. While some of that can be blamed on the OL, no great QB ever gets to make every play without pressure (except maybe Troy Aikman, did he ever make a play with someone in his face? :lol:)

4. Then you have a 5 offensive lineman that might have been the best 5 in the NFL, in 2003! :shock: :lol: No, I hate to bash these guys too much. I mean, they have a mostly thankless job and they work their butts off. But as a franchise we are in a predicament at OL. We have some solid starting lineman, but everyone is 30 and older and several have routinely been injured. It is doubtful there is a rookie (at #13) who could walk right into camp and take a starting job easily, but we need to add youth and depth.

5. WR's are a major concern. Do you trade Moss or ARE to try to get a bigger bodied, softer handed Wr in here? Oh yeah, we can't because they both have back-loaded contracts that would force us to take a big cap hit to move them anywhere. Neither is young, niether is #1 WR material. Moss is a nice player who can break a game open with a big play. But the clock is ticking on his speed and unless we can provide a solid #1 WR so Moss can be a true #2, he probably will struggle with consistency as he's matched up with #1 CB's every week. Thomas and Kelly didn't show the maturity or work ethic to make a contribution last season. We all hope they have grown up, can come to camp in superior condition, avoid injuries, study the playbook and AT LEAST become viable #3 and #4 Wr's this year. If either one truly focused their whole off-season to becoming better, that player might become the next #1 WR for the Washington Redskins. So we'll see how they show up in July.

6. Defense did it's job in 2008. They didn't get many sacks or INT's but they did stop opposing offenses. It is becoming a Blache trademark - Defenses that do all the little things, tackle well, stop the run, force offenses to put together long mistake free drives, swarm to the ball. This year, the addition of Haynesworth should be interesting. There are still holes at LDE and SOLB. Even if we fill those with the likes of Blades and Daniels, we will probably be a top5 defense again.

So, all that said, do you think there is one issue that trumps all others? Is it pointless to look for a new QB if we keep the same front office or coaching staff? Would it be pointless to bring an NFL GM to D.C. if Vinny and Snyder stayed? Do you you think all we need is an improved offensive line or receiving corps to make a deep run into the playoffs?

Vince Lombardi said, "Individual commitment to a group effort - that is what makes a team work, a company work, a society work, a civilization work."

So maybe the question for the Redskins is, what is the plan to inspire commitment from every single player on the roster? and if there are any players who cannot be so inspired, what will be done about them?
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Post by NJ-SKINS-FAN »

OL

dont matter who is your qb or wr an oline stinks your team stinks.....

a team can win dispite the FO but a close 2nd to the OL is the coaching staff, but again, if the OL sucks the qb and wr suck and that will handcuff the coaching staff....
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I voted coaching staff, which I believe is the reason our WR/QB play is what it is right now.
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I voted for front office because it all starts at the top.
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Hooligan wrote:I voted coaching staff, which I believe is the reason our WR/QB play is what it is right now.


:hmm: There aren't any votes for coaching staff that I can see.
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NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:OL

dont matter who is your qb or wr an oline stinks your team stinks.....

a team can win dispite the FO but a close 2nd to the OL is the coaching staff, but again, if the OL sucks the qb and wr suck and that will handcuff the coaching staff....


I'm an "OL/DL first" guy too. But if someone said, you can have the starting offensive line from last years pro-bowl OR you can have any Owner/GM combo in the NFL, I think I would take the new owner and GM. Those guys could not only get me the OL I want (in 3 years) but also the coaching, scouting, QB, DL and everything else needed on a regular basis.

(and I only specify Owner and GM because our owner isn't smart enough to hire football people and then get out of their way like many owners do. So, you can't just hire a GM, you have to have an owner who would not micro-manage.)
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This one was tough between the front office and QB, but because the FO is not going to change, I picked QB because JC is more likely to go before the FO.

If I actually were the owner of the team, I would get rid of the FO (and as an owner, I would not run the FO, but be an "owner" that actually has an FO) way before JC.
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OL for me Fleet.. if they can't protect the QB then everything shuts down
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fleetus wrote:
NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:OL

dont matter who is your qb or wr an oline stinks your team stinks.....

a team can win dispite the FO but a close 2nd to the OL is the coaching staff, but again, if the OL sucks the qb and wr suck and that will handcuff the coaching staff....


I'm an "OL/DL first" guy too. But if someone said, you can have the starting offensive line from last years pro-bowl OR you can have any Owner/GM combo in the NFL, I think I would take the new owner and GM. Those guys could not only get me the OL I want (in 3 years) but also the coaching, scouting, QB, DL and everything else needed on a regular basis.

(and I only specify Owner and GM because our owner isn't smart enough to hire football people and then get out of their way like many owners do. So, you can't just hire a GM, you have to have an owner who would not micro-manage.)


i agree with you 100% but they were asking about this year......

we are bad from the very top so it makes it hard to be good in the middle and bottom


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1. OL
2. QB
3. WR

Is there extra credit for not only answering the poll but also ranking the top three?
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I think it's the coaching staff, specifically the offensive side. Even with a weakened line, a good coach can adjust and make it work. I'm just not sure yet if we have one.
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SKINFAN wrote:I think it's the coaching staff, specifically the offensive side. Even with a weakened line, a good coach can adjust and make it work. I'm just not sure yet if we have one.


Yeah, I'll reserve my deepest criticism of the offense until after some games this season. I am giving some benefit of doubt to Zorn and JC because last year was their first together, Zorn's first as a HC and first in Washington, so quite a bit to adjust and adapt to. However, there was not much ingenuity in the offense. This year, since we don't really have a #1 WR and every defense will focus on Portis, I expect to see Moss and Cooley being moved around all over the field, in the slot, bunch formations, motions and shifts etc. We have to create mismatches and we have to force the defense to think about something other than crowding the box against Portis. If I don't see that, then I will definitely move Zorn up to the top of the list of blame.
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Im going to go out on a limb and say that WR is/will be the biggest issue going into the 2009 season.

The Front Office while having problems at least tries to win. This will be a make or break year for Cerrato in my opinion. I just dont see how when the season starts that this will be a big issue though.

As for the Coaching Staff I dont see this as a big issue either. Zorn had trouble adjusting his plays when the offense slowed down in 2008. At the sametime it was his 1st year calling the plays in the NFL and being a head coach. The rest of the coaches I dont feel too worried about.

The Offensive Line had problems last year because of injuries and they couldnt hold up vs top defenses. Hopefully if the Skins draft OL at 13 like I expect and Dockery steps up now that he is back in DC I see the OL playing alot better as a unit in 2009.

The QB situation I almost voted for but it really wont be that big of a issue in 2009 as it will be in 2010. Campbell is the clear cut starter this year. He will be playing for a new contract and should put up his best numbers as a Redskin. If not and he is benched then Colt Brennan will get a shot to see if he can make some plays for us. Either way the QB position for at least this year is somewhat set.

This leaves us with the WR position. This to me is the biggest issue going into 2009. We have enough potenial and players at this position that we dont need anymore. The problem is we might not have 1 WR on our team that is good enough to make plays week in and out for our offense.

Santana Moss hasnt been the same WR since his breakout 2005 season (his first season with the Redskins). I dont think he is a true #1 WR and the fact he is lost in half the games we play in is a serious problem. Antwaan Randle El is nothing more than a slot WR and honestly if it were up to me id find a way to cut him. Devin Thomas has tons of potenial but has shown some problems "growing up". Hopefully he can step in beside Moss and give us some big plays but it is a huge question mark. Malcolm Kelly and his knee problems make me believe that he will be out of the league in a couple years. It was probably one of the worst picks ive ever seen as a Redskin fan. Thrash is a solid ST player and can make some solid catches but hes way past his prime and he shouldnt be on the field at all on offense imo.

While the other four options were all huge issues I think the WR position is the one unit on this team that has some serious issues going into 2009. If Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly doesnt step up we could have a very hard time scoring points this upcoming season.
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SkinsSince96 wrote:Im going to go out on a limb and say that WR is/will be the biggest issue going into the 2009 season.

The Front Office while having problems at least tries to win. This will be a make or break year for Cerrato in my opinion. I just dont see how when the season starts that this will be a big issue though.

As for the Coaching Staff I dont see this as a big issue either. Zorn had trouble adjusting his plays when the offense slowed down in 2008. At the sametime it was his 1st year calling the plays in the NFL and being a head coach. The rest of the coaches I dont feel too worried about.

The Offensive Line had problems last year because of injuries and they couldnt hold up vs top defenses. Hopefully if the Skins draft OL at 13 like I expect and Dockery steps up now that he is back in DC I see the OL playing alot better as a unit in 2009.

The QB situation I almost voted for but it really wont be that big of a issue in 2009 as it will be in 2010. Campbell is the clear cut starter this year. He will be playing for a new contract and should put up his best numbers as a Redskin. If not and he is benched then Colt Brennan will get a shot to see if he can make some plays for us. Either way the QB position for at least this year is somewhat set.

This leaves us with the WR position. This to me is the biggest issue going into 2009. We have enough potenial and players at this position that we dont need anymore. The problem is we might not have 1 WR on our team that is good enough to make plays week in and out for our offense.

Santana Moss hasnt been the same WR since his breakout 2005 season (his first season with the Redskins). I dont think he is a true #1 WR and the fact he is lost in half the games we play in is a serious problem. Antwaan Randle El is nothing more than a slot WR and honestly if it were up to me id find a way to cut him. Devin Thomas has tons of potenial but has shown some problems "growing up". Hopefully he can step in beside Moss and give us some big plays but it is a huge question mark. Malcolm Kelly and his knee problems make me believe that he will be out of the league in a couple years. It was probably one of the worst picks ive ever seen as a Redskin fan. Thrash is a solid ST player and can make some solid catches but hes way past his prime and he shouldnt be on the field at all on offense imo.

While the other four options were all huge issues I think the WR position is the one unit on this team that has some serious issues going into 2009. If Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly doesnt step up we could have a very hard time scoring points this upcoming season.


I think our biggest problem is QB, then OL, then pass rusher, pass rusher, and OL. But I think you fix the OL first, because even a Mark Rypien can have success if the OL is great.

Back to QB. Our line and WR would be fine with say a Peyton or a Brady pulling the trigger or even :puke: a Homo or a McNubb.

How many times did Campbell miss our new TE wide open for a TD or never even look at Thomas running uncovered. he underthrew Moss several time that would have resulted in TD. And his worst play is the quick slant. How can a QB not know how to throw a quick slant. Heck I could throw a better quick slant. Maybe even worse than that are all of the plays he is too afraid to try and we almost never see them.

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skinsfan#33 wrote:I think our biggest problem is QB, then OL, then pass rusher, pass rusher, and OL. But I think you fix the OL first, because even a Mark Rypien can have success if the OL is great.

Back to QB. Our line and WR would be fine with say a Peyton or a Brady pulling the trigger or even :puke: a Homo or a McNubb.

How many times did Campbell miss our new TE wide open for a TD or never even look at Thomas running uncovered. he underthrew Moss several time that would have resulted in TD. And his worst play is the quick slant. How can a QB not know how to throw a quick slant. Heck I could throw a better quick slant. Maybe even worse than that are all of the plays he is too afraid to try and we almost never see them.

With a legit QB this team would be four or five wins better!


I almost voted for QB. Im not sold on Campbell either. At the sametime I realize the odds are he will be our starting QB week 1. Hopefully he can play better in a contract year. If he doesnt we have Brennan who alot of people see potenial in.

As for OL I think as of today thats the Skins biggest need. We need a RT badddd. Im pretty sure Michael Oher or Andre Smith will be a Washington Redskin. If this happens ill feel pretty happy with the OL (Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Oher/Smith). We also will have some nice depth with Jansen, Heyer, amd Rinehart.

WR isnt a need in my opinion. I do thing come opening day it will be the biggest issue with the Skins. We dont have one WR id be scared of if im a opposing defense. Moss has the speed but if you know how to shut him down he isnt a factor. Randle El is a great team guy but isnt a starting WR. Thrash is trash (except on ST). The two rookies from last year are big question marks because of alot of factors plus the fact Zorn for some dumb reason didnt give them more playing time (I know Kelly was banged up alot but late in the season he should of been out there). If Thomas or Kelly cant step up the Skins will fail on offense imo.

I really like Devin Thomas though. He was a beast in 07 for Michigan State. Hopefully he has his head on straight and is ready to step in beside Moss and make some plays. Its still a huge question mark right now when looking ahead to 2009.
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SkinsSince96 wrote:WR isnt a need in my opinion. I do thing come opening day it will be the biggest issue with the Skins. We dont have one WR id be scared of if im a opposing defense.


:hmm: The poll questions asks what is your biggest concern in 2009? So it doesn't make much sense that you admit, on starting day, you think WR's will be "the biggest issue with the Skins", but yet it isn't a need?

I know, the rookies have to play, blah, blah... We've all been saying the same thing for months. But the only reason I wouldn't be pushing to change the WR position immediately, through trades or draft choices, is because we don't have many draft picks to bargain with and I feel we have deeper concerns on O-line. Why would you feel WR is the biggest concern, but not a need?
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fleetus wrote:
SkinsSince96 wrote:WR isnt a need in my opinion. I do thing come opening day it will be the biggest issue with the Skins. We dont have one WR id be scared of if im a opposing defense.


:hmm: The poll questions asks what is your biggest concern in 2009? So it doesn't make much sense that you admit, on starting day, you think WR's will be "the biggest issue with the Skins", but yet it isn't a need?

I know, the rookies have to play, blah, blah... We've all been saying the same thing for months. But the only reason I wouldn't be pushing to change the WR position immediately, through trades or draft choices, is because we don't have many draft picks to bargain with and I feel we have deeper concerns on O-line. Why would you feel WR is the biggest concern, but not a need?


The reason its not a need is because we already have a full WR core and none of them are going anywhere. Its also not a need imo because you cant draft a rookie when we drafted two WRs in the 2nd round last year.

The big issue with the WR core is that we have to go into 2009 with what we had in 2008 imo. If the rookies from last year dont step up we will have some serious problems. At the sametime if we draft a WR with our 1st or 3rd round pick it would be stupid since we dont know what those rookies can do.

So I think the WR problem will be the biggest issue without it being a need right now. I dont think anyone on this board would draft a WR in the 1st or 3rd round with drafting two in the 2nd last year. At the sametime it is one of the weakest units on the team.
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We are handcuffed with two older veterans who in contracts that make them almost immoveable and two rookies who were zero's last year. Agreed. But WR is definitely a need and a concern, IMO.
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I feel that the line is pretty solid at the starting positions.
It could be better but if we had to start the season today, we'd be decent. As far as depth, that's another story.

QB is the biggest issue for me. I don't believe in Jason, he's a huge question mark and I believe he won't be back next year. Obviously the organization feels the same way because they have not backed him up hardly at all. Zorn is the ONLY person that has and that's because he's the OC and has to deal with Jason face-face.
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:Obviously the organization feels the same way because they have not backed him up hardly at all.


Even if they did back him up publicly, can you really believe it?
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fleetus wrote:We are handcuffed with two older veterans who in contracts that make them almost immoveable and two rookies who were zero's last year. Agreed. But WR is definitely a need and a concern, IMO.


It probably is but I just dont feel like it is to the Redskins because they got to see what those two rookies for last year can do on the field. I think Thomas has potenial and Kelly is a bust. I just dont feel like its something the Skins will address and it will lead to problems through 2009.
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I wonder how many would change their vote IF the FO gives away 2 #1 picks for Cutler :twisted:
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So let me illustrate some comparisons and you can consider what you think the results would be:

Tell me which offense would do better this year, without the difficulties players have learning a new system. Just your best guess, if all players involved knew the offensive system fairly well. Portis and Cooley are included in all three options.

1. Campbell, Moss, ARE and the rookies playing behind the 5 starting NFC O-linemen from the Pro Bowl.

2. Kurt Warner, Moss and ARE and the rookies playing behind the Skins current Offensive line.

3. Campbell, L. Fitzgerald, A. Boldin, S. Breaston playing behind the Skins current O-line.

If you are considering injury prone players, then assume an average scrub backup player will take their place.

Now, which of the three options scores more points, creates fewer turnovers, controls the ball best and wins the most games?
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fleetus wrote:2. Kurt Warner, Moss and ARE and the rookies playing behind the Skins current Offensive line.


This option would be the winner and this is why the team is in the pickle it's in now. :lol: They know Jason isn't the answer.
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