New Interest in the Redskins

[aswas71788]

Not sure if this topic has been posted in this light but did not see it anywhere.

This is not a "create a QB controversy" or " dump Campbell" post so please don't go there. There i s no question that Campbell is the starting qb.

The injury to Campbell has really created a new interest in the Redskins offense for me. For me, it provides an opportunity to see if the offensive problems are with the scheme or the players lack of committment, understanding and/or buy-in to the scheme.

It will be interestingg to see the difference in the play calling with Collins as the qb. I am wondering if Thursday was a fluke because the Bears were not prepared for Collins or can Collins really manage Saunders offense as efficiently as he seemed to Thursday?

If a career back-iup quarterback (who understands the offensive scheme as well as Saunders does - 10 years in it) can manage a very complex offensive scheme and product wins, the the Redskin players really need to do some sole searching about their own committments.

Any opinions?

[welch]

Seems to me (with little thought) that it shows that Campbell has some learning ahead. We knew that. Also shows how important the QB spot is.

The game also showed that the OL is hurt badly, and performing heroically given the injuries. Indicates that Joe Gibbs can carry a team just by force of personality. See the video that SC Skins posted under "Tears" of Mark Sclereth talking about his injury, Gibbs, and the 1992 season. During the last months of that season, remember, when many players were playing hurt (Sclereth had a stress-fracture in his leg, I think), Gibbs suffered from insomnia and chronic migraine. Still, he held his team together and they made the playoffs.

There's something special when the Marching Band plays Hail to the Redskins.

[SkinsJock]

I'm with welch on this as i think the players and the scheme are fine. Campbell has been progressing but it seems to me he has not gotten to that stage yet that he recognizes what the defense is going to do BEFORE they do it and what play is going to work. He seems to be taking too much time and he is doing that process too slowly.

Since game 1 this year he has seemed to wait till the WR gets open - he should know what he is going to do almost before the ball is snapped. As soon as he gets the snap the defense will only be confirming what he thought and he then should execute. he is getting better and the injuries to his WRs have meant that they cannot work on their timing as much but he needs to start getting it and soon.

He has an incredible arm and great potential but the really good QBs seem to know what they are going to do and do it - hell, even Collins made our pass blocking look decent at times on Thursday.

I also think that our line has been playing above themselves when you consider all that has happened.

[aswas71788]

You both have good points. It seemed to me that the O-line got better after Collins came in. When I went back and looked at the game again, what was really happening was that Collins was normally getting rid of the ball faster,i.e. the o-line appeared better because the defense did not have as much time to get to the qb. I am assuming that was happening because Collins was more familiar with the offensive scheme and making his throws to a place rather than waiting for the receiver to make his break. Also, there seemed to be more continuity with the receivers. That seemed strange to me. Again I went back, the individual receivers were running selected pass routes rather that having to know all of them. This may also be partly due to the long list of injuries.

We all agree that the familiarity of the system by the quarterback is of utmost importance. Campbells only has 1+ years to Collins 10+ years. I am still interested in watching the play selection. Will there be a change, will it be more agressive? It seemed to be in the last half of Thursdays game.

[Redskin in Canada]

In my view, the equations go as follow for each QB.

1) Jason Campbell: Slower release but faster throws (until the receiver turns).

2) Todd Collins: Faster release but slower throws (when the receiver is still running in full stride).

What are the results of the above combinations?

1) Slower release means greater pressure on the OL.
Faster throws (made until the receiver turns) mean that there is a need for greater accuracy and timing to protect against very fast defenses.

2) Faster release means less pressure on the OL.
Slower throws (made when the receiver still is on full stride) mean an easier ball to catch and fewer opportunities for even quick defenses to react against.

Of course the BEST combination would be a quick release with fast throws to players running in full stride but we are not there yet.

I suspect that Jason does not throw to receivers running in full stride because he fears interceptions or the game is still a bit fast for him. He will gain full confidence with more experience.

[CanesSkins26]

Not sure if this topic has been posted in this light but did not see it anywhere.

This is not a "create a QB controversy" or " dump Campbell" post so please don't go there. There i s no question that Campbell is the starting qb.

The injury to Campbell has really created a new interest in the Redskins offense for me. For me, it provides an opportunity to see if the offensive problems are with the scheme or the players lack of committment, understanding and/or buy-in to the scheme.

It will be interestingg to see the difference in the play calling with Collins as the qb. I am wondering if Thursday was a fluke because the Bears were not prepared for Collins or can Collins really manage Saunders offense as efficiently as he seemed to Thursday?

If a career back-iup quarterback (who understands the offensive scheme as well as Saunders does - 10 years in it) can manage a very complex offensive scheme and product wins, the the Redskin players really need to do some sole searching about their own committments.

Any opinions?

I think it's way too soon to draw any conclusions. Collins had one good half of football. As Sonny said on Redskins Report, lets wait until he's had a week to think about being the starter and how he does once an opposing team actually game plans against him. It's a lot easier to come into the game as a backup when there are less expectations then it is to be a starting qb.

He did make quick decisions but his throws have a way of hanging up in the air and let's see how that plays out in the windy Meadowlands next week. He also isn't very mobile and the Giants have an awesome pass rush so persoanlly I'm not expecting a repeat of Thursday's performance from Collins.

[SkinsFreak]

Many have made good points, but I see another major factor as well.

Collins has years of experience at reading defenses at the line of scrimmage, years of experiences JC doesn't have yet.

A perfect example was the TD pass to Betts at the end of the game last Thursday night. The Bears were in a Tampa 2 zone defense with the safeties split out wide. The Bears LB's had moved up to the line to blitz. This left a huge hole in the defense behind where the LB's would have been and in the secondary.

Collins read this pre-snap and quickly got the ball to Betts over the middle with a short dump pass, leaving Betts with major daylight all the way to the endzone. That was a good read by Collins, but a read made from a lot of experience.

This will come in time for Campbell. I think he's just trying not to make a mistake with the football, even though some mistakes are still happening. He will learn from Collins and will learn from playing experience at reading defenses and going to the right spot with the ball. I think this injury and subsequent time off will be good for Campbell, in that he will learn quite a bit from Collins.

[H4172teh5k1n5]

I think we may be jumping the gun on Collins being the starter. At the beginning of the season, Gibbs said that Brunell would start the game if JC was unable to start. Collins would always be the backup to whoever started the game. I hope that we do start Collins. I think that he will give us the better chance at winning, but has Gibbs decision changed at all since the beginning of the season?