Randy Thomas

[skins2357]

might as well get it going now during the game, how long is he out? Do we trade for someone or is that even possible? If we start 2-0 with a easy schedule we need someoone else in there at LG to push to the playoffs

[SCSkinsFan]

Torn tricep could mean the season and going on IR. We need to find a quality RG soon!

[Redskin in Canada]

might as well get it going now during the game, how long is he out? Do we trade for someone or is that even possible? If we start 2-0 with a easy schedule we need someoone else in there at LG to push to the playoffs

Radio broadcasting said for the rest of the season.

I hope they are wrong. There is nothing official yet. There will be an MRI tomorrow. Fabini cannot fill those big shoes for now.

[Chris Luva Luva]

might as well get it going now during the game, how long is he out? Do we trade for someone or is that even possible? If we start 2-0 with a easy schedule we need someoone else in there at LG to push to the playoffs

Radio broadcasting said for the rest of the season.

I hope they are wrong. There is nothing official yet. There will be an MRI tomorrow. Fabini cannot fill those big shoes for now.

Darn. Randy didnt look too happy on the sidelines. Gibbs was mum.

[Dmkskins86]

Do we think about moving Heyer inside?

[Chris Luva Luva]

Do we think about moving Heyer inside?

No, that's too short sighted. Heyer is a future tackle for us. Let's not stunt his growth and kill his confidence by playing him out of position.

FAbini will have to suffice. We need more backups.

[Gibbs4Life]

You can never have enough good O-Lineman, someone get me Kili Lefotu's number, matter of fact where's ol Tre' Johnson?

[Gnome]

Randy will be missed. But a good QB can make an average line good. Add in two legit RB's and good goes to above average. Throw one of the best line coaches in league history into the mix, and we go to great. Back in the day the Skins won with many different lineman on O and D lines. History will repeat itself. Fabini and Wade will hold their own. And Randy, get well soon.

[por-tiz2skins]

Randy will be missed. But a good QB can make an average line good. Add in two legit RB's and good goes to above average. Throw one of the best line coaches in league history into the mix, and we go to great. Back in the day the Skins won with many different lineman on O and D lines. History will repeat itself. Fabini and Wade will hold their own. And Randy, get well soon.

Wade and Fabani looked good in stopping the blitz but need to now practice more with creating holes for runs.

[ChocolateMilk]

Randy will be missed. But a good QB can make an average line good. Add in two legit RB's and good goes to above average. Throw one of the best line coaches in league history into the mix, and we go to great. Back in the day the Skins won with many different lineman on O and D lines. History will repeat itself. Fabini and Wade will hold their own. And Randy, get well soon.

i hope you're right man

[Paralis]

The big question about this sort of injury is that there are two things commonly called triceps tears. Either it's a ruptured tendon, which means surgery and IR, or it's a grade 3 strain, which means a few months of rehab. I hope it's the latter (because they'll need Thomas in the playoffs more than they'd need Jansen), but either way they need another warm body on the bench, because 7 OL just isn't going to cut it for the year. Then it becomes--who goes? Bodiford? Caldwell? Stoutmire?

I was surprised to see Fabini come in at RG instead of Pucillo, but it seemed to work out okay. Heyer might still be the best bet--there's not a lot of difference between playing guard and tackle, and although Heyer's pretty clearly got the athleticism to play tackle, depth at guard both short and long term is a bigger question mark. Getting him the reps now will help sort out his big technique problem (like basically all rookie OLs, he plays too high), and if it works out, he'll be a natural replacement for Kendall next year.

All in all, a great win--the sloppy play is the sort of thing one can expect to improve with time (playing against the Giants' LBs should take care of ey's quiet start pretty easily).

[Justice Hog]

Then it becomes--who goes? Bodiford? Caldwell? Stoutmire?

If Thomas goes on IR, we shouldn't have to cut anyone when we bring in another OL person, right?

[GSPODS]

there's not a lot of difference between playing guard and tackle

There is a huge difference between playing Guard and playing Tackle. The blocking techniques, the blocking schemes, and the blocking assignments are entirely different. Otherwise, every offensive lineman could play every offensive line position and there would be no need for carrying backup offensive linemen for each position.

[BernieSki]

Bram Weinstein said this morning on the Joe Jacoby show that the doctors said it did not look good. He said that even if it is not a complete tear that he would still be out at least a couple months. He also said that the team was already starting to look around for a veteran guard.

[Fios]

Bram Weinstein said this morning on the Joe Jacoby show that the doctors said it did not look good. He said that even if it is not a complete tear that he would still be out at least a couple months. He also said that the team was already looking starting to look around for a veteran guard.

This is a significant loss

[Chris Luva Luva]

Bram Weinstein said this morning on the Joe Jacoby show that the doctors said it did not look good. He said that even if it is not a complete tear that he would still be out at least a couple months. He also said that the team was already looking starting to look around for a veteran guard.

This is a significant loss

IMO, this is going to put the burden on Jason. He looks like he's up to the challenge.

[skins2357]

If there was not a big difference playing Guard and Tackle, then some guy named Todd Wade would be playing LG for us right now. Moving Heyer inside is ABSOLUTELY out of the question. If a solid Veteran like Wade could not do it why do we think an undrafted rookie could?

It looks like we all agree that Randy is out for awhile and we need a replacement. Whose is out there? Its unlikely to pull in a big name free agent during mid season and since that we would have no room for that person since we signed Kendall to a new deal and Randy is locked up. Not sure what I would do right here if I am the front office. Do you bring in more AVERAGE lineman or spend a 1st day pick and bring in a solid starter (who will be crowding or Guard position next year)?????

[ChocolateMilk]

I think we just have to go with Fabini or Puccilo... i mean they are solid players. Not great, but they'll get the job done.

[Paralis]

If Thomas goes on IR, we shouldn't have to cut anyone when we bring in another OL person, right?

Sure, but only if he goes on IR. The playoffs are 15 weeks away. If Randy's going to miss 10 or 12 weeks, can they afford to play with a 52-man roster to get him back when he'll be needed most? It's basically the same question as with Jansen, only there's no real backup for Thomas.

There is a huge difference between playing Guard and playing Tackle. The blocking techniques, the blocking schemes, and the blocking assignments are entirely different. Otherwise, every offensive lineman could play every offensive line position and there would be no need for carrying backup offensive linemen for each position.

Not really. There already are a lot of cases of G/T players in the league--Jason Fabini, for instance, has played tackle most (all?) of his career and is now our backup guard, Shawn Andrews is a tackle playing guard, and David Diehl is a guard playing tackle. Extra guards line up as tackle-eligible in jumbo packages all the time. The main reason tackles usually don't move inside is that they're rare--there aren't enough people strong enough and fast enough to handle Jason Taylor coming off the edge, so it's a waste for the team and a poor financial decision for the player to try and fit in at a less important position (capwise, if nothing else).

It might not work. Heyer might not be strong enough to hold up against DTs. But somebody's going to have to step in and play guard soon--Thomas is 31 and injury-prone, and Kendall's 34. Heyer's been a great story, but more importantly, a solid player at both tackle positions. I think he deserves the chance to crack the starting lineup instead of being understudy to Samuels for the next three years.

[BernieSki]

This is were Joe Bugel earns his money!

[Countertrey]

This is were Joe Bugel earns his money!

Exactly. This is where he earns his bucks.

[BernieSki]

Possible replacement, Keydrick Vincent .

Full Name: Keydrick Trepell Vincent
Born: April 13, 1978
Bartow, FL
Height: 6-5
Weight: 325 lbs. Age: 29
Pos: OG
Experience: 7 years
College: Mississippi

Released by Baltimore a few weeks ago due to a numbers game.

[Steve Spurrier III]

Not really. There already are a lot of cases of G/T players in the league.

Sure, some players can do it, just like some baseball players can play center and right field -- but a lot can't. They're not interchangeable, and the two positions (really, all four) require different skill sets. It's not so simple that any tackle can play guard.

Some people here underestimate the importance of offensive linemen. Even more than Jansen, I think the Thomas injury is going to really hurt this team.

[GSPODS]

Guard blocking for the most part is either down blocking (attempting to move the defensive tackle out of position) or cut blocking (attempting to get the defensive tackle off his feet). We'll skip the Denver "Chop Blocking" technique.

Tackle blocking is more technique based. Tackles must use proper footwork depending on which side they are playing. Tackles are attempting to prevent a pass rush or to seal off a corner, which means holding a block for a shorter period of time in most cases.

Anyone ever notice that Guards are usually the linemen making downfield blocks? There is a marked difference between the two positions. Even in the Redskins heyday, it was the pulling guard on the 50 Gut play, not the pulling tackle.

[skins2357]

Well I just looked up the choices we have who are unsigned right now. Keydrick Vincent (mentioned earlier) seems to be the best bet at this point. He is a former starter at Guard in Baltimore and there are many teams courting him right now. Interested are the Jets, Dolphins and Bills. Granted none of these teams are really offensive line powerhouses and I would feel a little better if a Denver team was going after him but hey, its slim picking right not. I cant imagine that we are going to trade for anyone right now. Its simply too late into the season in my opinion unless you find a team without a prayer who will take a draft choice ( OAK, ATL, CLE) We shall see how this one plays out