Why didn't we think of this?????

[frankcal20]

Raiders to hire TV draft expert?
Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on May 3rd, 2007

If the television draft gurus are so good, why aren't they working for NFL teams?

The Raiders apparently think the NFL Network's Mike Mayock is more than a talking head, endlessly spouting the worth of upsides and 3-cone drills.

The word I'm getting is Mayock, who worked for ABC Sports, CBS Sports and Fox Sports Net before becoming Mel Kiper Jr.'s chief competition for the league-run NFL Network, is a serious candidate to become a personnel executive with the Raiders.

Mayock is one of a number of possibilities for what is seen as the inevitable replacement of Mike Lombardi.

Lombardi was involved in a much-publicized rift with Art Shell last season, with the former Raiders coach blaming the personnel man for being the source of anonymous quotes given to various media outlets criticizing the Shell regime in general and offensive coordinator Tom Walsh in particular.

Lombardi retained his position after Shell was fired and was even seen on the field at a recent voluntary minicamp practice. He had been banned from the practice field by Shell and was usually taking a jog around the Raiders facility during practice.

Why did Lombardi survive so long?

Because he had information regarding free agency and the Raiders' draft. Now that the Raiders team is virtually set except for a second wave of free agency, Lombardi can be freed to look for another job.

Mayock has been in television since 1996, even working as a reporter for NCAA Tournament basketball coverage from 1997-99, but was a safety at Boston College and was drafted by Pittsburgh Steelers in the 10th round of the 1981 NFL draft. His NFL career consisted of nine games for the New York Giants in 1982 and 1983.

While Lombardi had some administrative duties he assumed at the outset after Bruce Allen left to join the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, chances are Mayock, if he were hired, would concentrate on personnel.

Al Davis has the final say in all personnel matters, with Kiffin having more input than any other Raiders coach by virtue of his recruiting background at USC. Many of the administrative duties once handled by Allen are in the hands of Mark Jackson, Kiffin's hand-picked choice as director of football development.

Another name to keep in mind is Pat Kirwan, also an analyst for the NFL Network and NFLcom. Kirwan has a background in both coaching and personnel with the New York Jets.

Kirwan is close friends with USC coach Pete Carroll and is often seen on the sidelines at USC games, where Kiffin worked as an assistant coach.

The first whiff of Detroit quarterback Josh McCown coming to the Raiders came from a Kirwan report, and he was steadfast in his belief the Raiders would deal for McCown and draft Russell.

In Kirwan's recent story on NFL.com, he notes that Keyshawn Johnson was picked No. 1 overall by the Jets on his watch, and floats the idea that, "I always thought Johnson would finish his career on the West Coast, probably as a Raider."

Lane Kiffin, in a radio interivew on Fox Sports Radio, told host Chris Myers the other day he just happened to be watching a video cut-up of Johnson in action for the Carolina Panthers last season but was vague regarding his level of interest.

The Panthers cut Johnson a day after drafting another USC receiver, Dwayne Jarrett, in the second round.

In 2003, Kirwan, working on behalf of agent David Dunn, helped prepare Cincinnati quarterback Carson Palmer for the NFL draft. Kirwan ranked Palmer as his top prospect on NFL.com, while at the same time accepting the a free from the agent.

The NFL concluded there was no conflict of interest.

http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2007 ... ft-expert/

I'm guessing that this is too "outside the box" thinking for our team. It would probably be a really good idea. Put him in place of Vinny and then we are set. I don't think we would need a GM if we had someone with kahone's like these guys. I love the fact that they tell it like it is, even when it hurts. And for us, it hurts often.

[Irn-Bru]

Actually, I think that, in general, there's a good reason why the talking heads are on TV and not in a draft war room. (Does anyone seriously want Joe Buck to be head coach of the Skins?)

Can't say that I can defend Vinny, though.

[1niksder]

Vinny was working at ESPN when "the Danny" brought him back. Not such a great idea when you think about.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Actually, I think that, in general, there's a good reason why the talking heads are on TV and not in a draft war room. (Does anyone seriously want Joe Buck to be head coach of the Skins?)

Can't say that I can defend Vinny, though.

It's like the "financial gurus." If I knew more then the market I would get far richer by using that knowledge to trade then selling books and writing articles.

If I don't know squat about where the market is headed then I make more money writing books and articles.

They are writing books and articles, do the math.

[brad7686]

Mel Kiper or Todd Mcshay would do wonders from a GM standpoint for any team.

[Countertrey]

Mel Kiper or Todd Mcshay would do wonders from a GM standpoint for any team.

There are no long term consequences to the bonehead predictions that either might make in the course of hyping their draft projections. How many of them do you remember from 2002 or even from last year?

OTOH, the Redskins still pay for such actual honest to goodness moves made by Cerrato and the Danny over the years.

It's one thing to simply put projections on paper (media draft gurus)... it's quite another to do that, and THEN live with the consequences of the choices you have made (actual personnel people).

[brad7686]

Mel Kiper or Todd Mcshay would do wonders from a GM standpoint for any team.

There are no long term consequences to the bonehead predictions that either might make in the course of hyping their draft projections. How many of them do you remember from 2002 or even from last year?

OTOH, the Redskins still pay for such actual honest to goodness moves made by Cerrato and the Danny over the years.

It's one thing to simply put projections on paper (media draft gurus)... it's quite another to do that, and THEN live with the consequences of the choices you have made (actual personnel people).

Yea but at the same time, these are the people who know to put manning over leaf because of many years of complete draft analysis, while many "GM"'s actually had leaf on top of their board. They analyze everything, know the potential busts, know potential, know shortcomings. There is a reason teams consult them for info.

[Countertrey]

There is a reason teams consult them for info.

Yet, somehow, teams continue to make mistakes. Go figure.

[brad7686]

There is a reason teams consult them for info.

Yet, somehow, teams continue to make mistakes. Go figure.

never said the teams listen.

[frankcal20]

I don't think it could get worse for us. Hell, when is the last player we drafted that turned into a stud? Uhhhh, he just went to Buffalo. ST hasn't come to fruition. He makes big hits but that it. So let me know if I'm forgetting something.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Mel Kiper or Todd Mcshay would do wonders from a GM standpoint for any team.

Sure, now there's no accountability, no team lives with the consequence of their pick, they are never fired or criticized for drafting the wrong guy. As long as they stay where they are they can always be the ultimate GM. The only way to blow it is to become a real one.

BTW, they're more to being a GM then drafting.

[brad7686]

Mel Kiper or Todd Mcshay would do wonders from a GM standpoint for any team.

Sure, now there's no accountability, no team lives with the consequence of their pick, they are never fired or criticized for drafting the wrong guy. As long as they stay where they are they can always be the ultimate GM. The only way to blow it is to become a real one.

BTW, they're more to being a GM then drafting.

There should be a draft manager. At least the redskins should have one.

[HEROHAMO]

Vinny was working at ESPN when "the Danny" brought him back. Not such a great idea when you think about.

I honestly think tha "the Danny" and Vinny must be like good buddies from high school. That is the only logical reason why the Dan would put up with such incompetance. I am willing to bet they might even be cousins or something. In which case he would never let him go.

[Irn-Bru]

I don't think it could get worse for us. Hell, when is the last player we drafted that turned into a stud? Uhhhh, he just went to Buffalo. ST hasn't come to fruition. He makes big hits but that it. So let me know if I'm forgetting something.

* That seems like quite the selective memory when it comes to Sean Taylor. He had a down year last year but at times seemed like he was the only guy making plays on D. I would definitely give the man 'stud' status.

* Chris Samuels has been solid for almost his entire career in D.C. Not always a pro-bowler, but at times he's been elite.

* Champ Bailey put in a few very solid years for us. He's in Denver now, so why would I bring him up? Well, without Champ there is no Portis. The player-for-player trade is far different than bringing in a FA, in my opinion; we really turned a terrible situation into something.

* Is Chris ey not a stud?

* Since you seem to be saying that Derrick Dockery is a stud, I'll throw in Lamar Marshall, who is (in my opinion) at least as valuable a player to the Skins as Dockery was.

* Jon Jansen, anyone?

* I say we hold our judgment on Jason Campbell, Carlos Rogers, Anthony Montgomery, Kedric Golston, Ladell Betts, and Rock Cartwright for now. Not every draft pick needs to be stud, but if we have success this season (and beyond) we may look back on these guys as invaluable pieces of our victory.

[frankcal20]

I don't think it could get worse for us. Hell, when is the last player we drafted that turned into a stud? Uhhhh, he just went to Buffalo. ST hasn't come to fruition. He makes big hits but that it. So let me know if I'm forgetting something.

* That seems like quite the selective memory when it comes to Sean Taylor. He had a down year last year but at times seemed like he was the only guy making plays on D. I would definitely give the man 'stud' status.

* Chris Samuels has been solid for almost his entire career in D.C. Not always a pro-bowler, but at times he's been elite.

* Champ Bailey put in a few very solid years for us. He's in Denver now, so why would I bring him up? Well, without Champ there is no Portis. The player-for-player trade is far different than bringing in a FA, in my opinion; we really turned a terrible situation into something.

* Is Chris Cooley not a stud?

* Since you seem to be saying that Derrick Dockery is a stud, I'll throw in Lamar Marshall, who is (in my opinion) at least as valuable a player to the Skins as Dockery was.

* Jon Jansen, anyone?

* I say we hold our judgment on Jason Campbell, Carlos Rogers, Anthony Montgomery, Kedric Golston, Ladell Betts, and Rock Cartwright for now. Not every draft pick needs to be stud, but if we have success this season (and beyond) we may look back on these guys as invaluable pieces of our victory.

I totally said that out of frustration without properly analyzing my thoughts before I typed. You have pointed out some good players but I would like to see us be able to keep guys here longer. I guess I'm the type of guy who takes care of his own as long as they are doing their job. If they are not, well then you've got to let them go. Something tells me that this is what we are getting back to.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I don't think it could get worse for us. Hell, when is the last player we drafted that turned into a stud? Uhhhh, he just went to Buffalo. ST hasn't come to fruition. He makes big hits but that it. So let me know if I'm forgetting something.

* That seems like quite the selective memory when it comes to Sean Taylor. He had a down year last year but at times seemed like he was the only guy making plays on D. I would definitely give the man 'stud' status.

* Chris Samuels has been solid for almost his entire career in D.C. Not always a pro-bowler, but at times he's been elite.

* Champ Bailey put in a few very solid years for us. He's in Denver now, so why would I bring him up? Well, without Champ there is no Portis. The player-for-player trade is far different than bringing in a FA, in my opinion; we really turned a terrible situation into something.

* Is Chris ey not a stud?

* Since you seem to be saying that Derrick Dockery is a stud, I'll throw in Lamar Marshall, who is (in my opinion) at least as valuable a player to the Skins as Dockery was.

* Jon Jansen, anyone?

* I say we hold our judgment on Jason Campbell, Carlos Rogers, Anthony Montgomery, Kedric Golston, Ladell Betts, and Rock Cartwright for now. Not every draft pick needs to be stud, but if we have success this season (and beyond) we may look back on these guys as invaluable pieces of our victory.

I totally said that out of frustration without properly analyzing my thoughts before I typed. You have pointed out some good players but I would like to see us be able to keep guys here longer. I guess I'm the type of guy who takes care of his own as long as they are doing their job. If they are not, well then you've got to let them go. Something tells me that this is what we are getting back to.

I'm not saying you do this Frank, but on the topic,it's the irony of those saying why did we draft the best player, Landry, when we have needs at DL. If we overdraft (and hence overpay) a DL, they don't live up to expectations and wash out then the ones saying why didn't we draft a DL will be the same ones saying we can't draft becuase our picks wash out.