Ramsey needs to quit acting like a baby!

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 7:57 am

I really feel that Patrick Ramsey needs to keep his mouth shut, and let his talent do his talking for him.

He's acting extremely childish, and more importantly, very greedy. He's only started 16 games in the NFL, and I don't think his contract GUARANTEES him the starting job. In reality, the facts are that he had an average year, at best, and was sacked more times than he cared to remember. Granted, some of those sacks were a result of Spurriers "system". But, the truth is, a lot of those sacks came as a result of him holding on to the ball too long. In addition, how many times did he blatantly overthrow or underthrow the ball to one of his recievers. SEVERAL times. And, I dont' mean just a little bit, but he overthrew recievers by a good ten to fifteen yards on several occasions.

Yes, his potential is enormous. But, does he have it NOW? He's not even close. He's still a good two to three years away from being complete. And, if he wasn't such a greedy SOB, he'd realize that this Mark Brunell thing could, in the long run, make hime one of the premier QB's in the leagu. Because, contrary to what everyone thinks, he's not quite there yet! He's got a LOT of learning to do, as Joe Montana did, as John Elway did and as just about EVERY other QB that was ever a starter. The only reason he's so ticked off is cus of money that he would get if he was the starter.

Dan Snyder shoulld tell Sexton at their dinner meeting that the decision is final. Ramsey's not going anywhere, and that's that!

So, my message to Ramsey. Quit your whining Patrick, you're good, but not THAT good.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:07 am

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2175

You'll find some agreement to that at this link.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:21 am

How can you say he's acting like a baby?

Say you work in an office building and you get a 75% boost in pay if you spend a certain ammount of time typing reports on your computer, the bosses have said that you're going to be one of the greatest to ever work at the company and you have an incredibly bright future...

Now, a new boss comes in who has a great history with the company. One of the greatest bosses ever to run the company... and he goes out and says that, while you're a pretty good report writer, he's gonna go out and pay someone more than you to compete for your job. What's worse is that you don't get that 75% boost in extra pay if you can't beat this talented newcomer who is competing for your job.

How are you gonna fell about this? Well, a coorporate legend feels like you need to be replaced, so you're going to have doubts about your own abilities, you're going to feel animas towards the company because they told you that YOU were the future, and now they've brought in someone else. Lastly, you're gonna feel like you're not going to be able to improve at your job if someone else is writing all the reports and you just sit around.

Patrick Ramsey is having a perfectly normal reaction to what's going on. I hope he can beat out Brunell for the starting job in camp, because all the experts (even Joe Gibbs one time) said that he's got a very bright future ahead of him as an NFL QB.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:25 am

JPFair wrote:I really feel that Patrick Ramsey needs to keep his mouth shut, and let his talent do his talking for him.

He's acting extremely childish, and more importantly, very greedy. He's only started 16 games in the NFL, and I don't think his contract GUARANTEES him the starting job. In reality, the facts are that he had an average year, at best, and was sacked more times than he cared to remember. Granted, some of those sacks were a result of Spurriers "system". But, the truth is, a lot of those sacks came as a result of him holding on to the ball too long. In addition, how many times did he blatantly overthrow or underthrow the ball to one of his recievers. SEVERAL times. And, I dont' mean just a little bit, but he overthrew recievers by a good ten to fifteen yards on several occasions.

Yes, his potential is enormous. But, does he have it NOW? He's not even close. He's still a good two to three years away from being complete. And, if he wasn't such a greedy SOB, he'd realize that this Mark Brunell thing could, in the long run, make hime one of the premier QB's in the leagu. Because, contrary to what everyone thinks, he's not quite there yet! He's got a LOT of learning to do, as Joe Montana did, as John Elway did and as just about EVERY other QB that was ever a starter. The only reason he's so ticked off is cus of money that he would get if he was the starter.

Dan Snyder shoulld tell Sexton at their dinner meeting that the decision is final. Ramsey's not going anywhere, and that's that!

So, my message to Ramsey. Quit your whining Patrick, you're good, but not THAT good.

Man, I seriously don't understand where you're coming from. When has P-Ram started running off at the mouth? He hasn't done anyhting but be cooperative with the media and his team. EVERYTHING you hear about Ramsey is from his AGENT and NOT Ramsey.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:35 am

"EVERYTHING you hear about Ramsey is from his AGENT and NOT Ramsey."

Good point Jake, until we hear about Patrick Ramsey throwing furniture or punching holes in walls.. we should give him the benefit of the doubt. He didn't complain when he had to park his butt on the bench behind Wuerffel and Matthews whom he is and was far, far better than... why would he complain so much about sitting behind one of the best QB's in history? (okay, okay but he's 9th rated ever)

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:40 am

Skinsfan55 wrote:"EVERYTHING you hear about Ramsey is from his AGENT and NOT Ramsey."

Good point Jake, until we hear about Patrick Ramsey throwing furniture or punching holes in walls.. we should give him the benefit of the doubt. He didn't complain when he had to park his butt on the bench behind Wuerffel and Matthews whom he is and was far, far better than... why would he complain so much about sitting behind one of the best QB's in history? (okay, okay but he's 9th rated ever)

Do we really know that??? If P-Ram does not agree with his BIG mouth agent why doesn't he stop this guy from talking? I hope he stays. I really like to see P-Ram handle some curl routes.

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:57 am

Requesting a trade just because he feels like the job is his is definitely acting like a baby. Whatever happened to being a "team player"? There's quite a few backups on the Redskins that would LOVE to be the starter, and in fact feel that they probably could be the starter. But, do you hear them saying that they're "not going to be a happy camper"? I don't expect him to be happy because there's going to be competition for the starting QB, but there's such a thing as keeping what goes on with the team inside the locker room and the front office. There's no need to go public with your "reqeust for a trade", ESPECIALLY after the fact that the coach said they're NOT going to trade him. I would rather have him say something like "I want to start, cuz I want that $2.5 million dollars, and I really dont' care about the team". So yes, because he's running off at the mouth requestig a trade when the starting job was NEVER promised to him, is without a doubt being both childish and greedy. He's acting like a spoiled brat who didn't get the toy he wanted for Christmas. He's no different from Bruce Smith crying to Dan Snyder last year when he didn't start. I don't hear anyone saying we need to keep Bruce as a starter.

Rome was not built in a day, and Ramseys talent can not be judged by 16 games that he's started, which by the way, he won four of them.

Consider the facts:

Ramsey was sacked how many times? And, people that say he was so "tough" for taking that type of beating: He didn't have much of a choice, did he?

He has an injured foot that no one knows the severity of.

His stats are average at best.

He holds on to the ball too long.

He's been under the tutelage of Danny Wuerful, Shane Mathews, and Steve Spurrier. (Not one of which will EVER be in the Hall of Fame)

He's still young

How many of those sacks were actually his fault, and not Spurriers? How many of those overthrown passes to wide open recievers might have won the game? How many blitzes by the Cowboys did he get frozen by? How many blind sided hits did he take?

The stats go on and on, and quite frankly, they're not all that impressive. The only thing impressive about Ramsey is his potential. And, according to websters dictionary, the term potential is described as "The inherent ability or capacity for growth, development, or coming into being.
Something possessing the capacity for growth or development".

Like it or not, Ramsey has yet to fully develop. Yes, he's on his way, and he has shown every indication that he will. But, in the grand scheme of things, two years is nothing compared to what his potential will prove to be. A true hall of fame QB will be in the league for many years to come and will plan accordingly, instead of Ramsey's "it's all about NOW" attitude.

Sadly, Ramsey has gotten a taste of what it's like to have a lot of money and he's succumbed to the greed of the almighty dollar. Well, boo hoo to you Patrick!!!

Did you ever hear Lavernius Coles complain, even ONCE, when a pass from Ramsey sailed about fifteen yards over his head? Maybe he did, but he didn't go public with it, and he certainly didn't cause any friction with Spurrier. THAT'S what a team player is all about.

So, Ramsey is a likeable guy. Yes, he's smart. Some may even say he's good looking. Some may take a particular liking to him because they met him at training camp and he seemed nice. But, does any of that translate into wins on the field, and better stats? I think not!

In my opinion, Ramsey needs to grow up. Only then, will he be able to realize his potential whether it be with the Redskins, Dolphins, or whoever. A players character and maturity is what brings out his potential. Patrick, you need some advice in that department.

Joe Gibbs did not get to be where he is by not knowing what he's doing. Unlike Ramsey, Gibbs has a proven track record, is respected by anybody that knows anything about football, and has been around the game a lot longer than Patrick Ramsey. Ramsey will be given the chance to put his record up against Gibbs's, but until then he needs to sit back and let his talent, not his greed, do the talking for him.

Just venting!!!

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:59 am

Say you work in an office building and you get a 75% boost in pay if you spend a certain ammount of time typing reports on your computer, the bosses have said that you're going to be one of the greatest to ever work at the company and you have an incredibly bright future

A valid point in the corporate world, but this is football. It's a whole different ballgame!!

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:00 am

"EVERYTHING you hear about Ramsey is from his AGENT and NOT Ramsey."

Sexton takes orders from Ramsey. Not the other way around!

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:47 pm

Ramsey looks around the league, and he knows that he is one of the best 32 quarterbacks in the league, so he wants to start. Who can blame him? If I was him, I would want a trade to go somewhere else and play as well.

So he gets his agent to make some noise to see if a trade is a possibility. What's wrong with that? He finds out that it's not, and the Redskins are still very committed to him being the quarterback of the future.

So everyone moves on. Let's not overreact to some simple maneuvering...

NC43Hog · Post by **NC43Hog** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:05 pm

Sexton so far has been the only baby - at least I haven't heard any crying directly from Patrick. Isn't that an Agents job tho - be a pain in the #*&% to the owners. Seems like I saw that in a job description somewhere! :lol:

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:14 pm

Skinsfan55 has this all right! So what if it's the football world. It just makes his point even more valid. If this happened to any other QB in the league we'd expect them to do this. We'd expect them to be a little unhappy knowing after a full year of hearing, YOU ARE THE MAN! YOU ARE A REDSKIN! Now he hears "Well you may have to prove that you are better then this guy". How many of you would except this in your job?? A mailman doesn't get to sit and watch another guy do his job to see if he can do it faster. The real world doesn't work like that. And like it or not football is part of the real world. They may have overinflated egos and overinflated paychecks. But it's still a business. And it's still something that has to work this way!

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:21 pm

Ramsey looks around the league, and he knows that he is one of the best 32 quarterbacks in the league, so he wants to start. Who can blame him? If I was him, I would want a trade to go somewhere else and play as well.

Ramsey may look around and see it, but the people that matter (Joe Gibbs) can't see it just yet. And, Ramseys statistics seem to back up Joes thinking. If all it took to being a "starting" QB in the NFL was to "think you're the best" or to "want to start", then I would have been a starting QB for the Redskins for the last 40 years.

If Ramsey didn't see something like this happening a long time ago, then perhaps he should have signed a one year contract instead of the incentive laden contract that he did sign.

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:50 pm

First of all, I really think Ramsey is one of the best 32 QBs in the league. He would definetly be better than (potential starters) Jay Fiedler, Quincy Carter, Josh McNown, Drew Brees, Kyle Boller, and at least arguably better than Joey Harrington, Rex Grossman, Tim Couch, Tommy Maddox and David Carr.

I don't think Gibbs doesn't see it. I think he does, and he wants two of those quarterbacks. That is the whole idea.

"If Ramsey didn't see something like this happening a long time ago, then perhaps he should have signed a one year contract instead of the incentive laden contract that he did sign."

Wait, you're saying when Ramsey signed his contract, he should have "seen" Joe Gibbs coming back two years into the future and trading for a veteran quarterback despite Ramsey having a pretty good season the year before and therefore should have signed a different contract?

Gibbs' Hog · Post by **Gibbs' Hog** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:04 pm

Steve Spurrier III wrote:
"If Ramsey didn't see something like this happening a long time ago, then perhaps he should have signed a one year contract instead of the incentive laden contract that he did sign."

Wait, you're saying when Ramsey signed his contract, he should have "seen" Joe Gibbs coming back two years into the future and trading for a veteran quarterback despite Ramsey having a pretty good season the year before and therefore should have signed a different contract?

Of course! ROTFALMAO

SirSmizzy · Post by **SirSmizzy** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:08 pm

NC43Hog wrote:Sexton so far has been the only baby - at least I haven't heard any crying directly from Patrick. Isn't that an Agents job tho - be a pain in the #*&% to the owners. Seems like I saw that in a job description somewhere!

You guys do realize that you will probably never hear anything straight out of Ramseys mouth....When he speaks or when he wanst to be heard...he speaks thru his agent and he gets ramsey what he wants...This is how the buisness goes.

I can fully understand not wanting to jump the gun on the kid because he is in fact "YOUR" QB...he has earned the right to have you trust him till he says differently...But you need to atleast brace yourselves for the worst because it is very,very possible..he will not see being a team player as a good thing...For the simple fact that he will lose 2.5Mil if he sits.

PhinstiGator · Post by **PhinstiGator** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:31 pm

JPFair wrote:I really feel that Patrick Ramsey needs to keep his mouth shut, and let his talent do his talking for him...

Yea right. Ramsey should just roll over and kiss the 2.5 million dollars goodbye.

His talent won't be able to say a word holding a clip board. What self-respecting starting QB in the league would take this treatment quietly?

Ramsey took a major beating with no maximum protection and no emphasis on the running game. His foot is still in a protective boot.

Everyone around the league knows that Gibbs prefers an older QB. The 43 million contract makes a statement. No backup gets that deal. The signing bonus alone is more than Ramsey's 5 year 5.7 million deal.

Brunell was not going to go to a team where he would NOT start. He has been on the phone everyday of the week with Gibbs. Hmmmm...I wonder what they were talking about?

Ramsey is supposed to sit back a be like a quiet little boy while this happens? No. If it's truly an open competition, GIVE RAMSEY A NEW CONTRACT. Give him an 8.6 million dollar siging bonus. Then it would be an open competition.

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:31 pm

Wait, you're saying when Ramsey signed his contract, he should have "seen" Joe Gibbs coming back two years into the future and trading for a veteran quarterback despite Ramsey having a pretty good season the year before and therefore should have signed a different contract?
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...or maybe not.

No, what I'm saying is, that if Ramsey wanted to always be a starter without ever having to prove himself in training camp, or just be the starter cuz it's his God given right, or that he wants to be the starter therefore he should BE the starter, or that he should be the starter because he's Patrick Ramsey, then he should have just signed a one year contract and go to the next team that will have him as a starter after he does his one year with the Redskins.

In the NFL, to be successfull you have to contiually prove yourself at the highest leven and nothing is ever guaranteed. Nothing in Ramseys current contract says that he is GUARANTEED to be the starter. I think Ramsey needs to wake up and realize that the NFL is not all about him, and he needs to be thankfull that he's even where he is right now.

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:02 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:How can you say he's acting like a baby?

Say you work in an office building and you get a 75% boost in pay if you spend a certain ammount of time typing reports on your computer, the bosses have said that you're going to be one of the greatest to ever work at the company and you have an incredibly bright future...

Now, a new boss comes in who has a great history with the company. One of the greatest bosses ever to run the company... and he goes out and says that, while you're a pretty good report writer, he's gonna go out and pay someone more than you to compete for your job. What's worse is that you don't get that 75% boost in extra pay if you can't beat this talented newcomer who is competing for your job.

How are you gonna fell about this? Well, a coorporate legend feels like you need to be replaced, so you're going to have doubts about your own abilities, you're going to feel animas towards the company because they told you that YOU were the future, and now they've brought in someone else. Lastly, you're gonna feel like you're not going to be able to improve at your job if someone else is writing all the reports and you just sit around.

Patrick Ramsey is having a perfectly normal reaction to what's going on. I hope he can beat out Brunell for the starting job in camp, because all the experts (even Joe Gibbs one time) said that he's got a very bright future ahead of him as an NFL QB.

It happens all the time in the work place. Some guy gets a job at entry level and starts at the bottom, then a year later someone gets hired who has years of experience and starts out making twice as much as the entry level guy. That's just the way it is. It would have been nice if we had Brunell last year and Ramsey was the back up, that way Ramsey could have learned and grown from Brunell. But now that Ramsey had the taste of being the starter, he now feels that he is getting sh!tted on. Besides, Ramsey could beat Brunell for the job. Ramsey needs to chill out and let the best man win the starting position. If he keeps whining, I say trade him for a 1st rounder and get Phillip Rivers in the draft.

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:11 pm

Please. Don't tell me for one second if you were in Ramsey's shoes you wouldn't at least ask you agent to explore a trade. Ramsey is not so arrogant that he thinks everything should be handed to him, but he's not stupid either. He knows there are teams out there that he could start for without competition, so why shouldn't he want to go there? If I was Ramsey, I would really want to go to Miami, where he could be the #1 starter for a team that went 10-6 last year. What's wrong with that?

Stop trying to portray Ramsey as some sort of egomaniac who is a crybaby if he doesn't get his way. He wants to play (and frankly, if he didn't want to play, that would disappoint me even more), and him being traded gives him the best shot of achieving that...

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:14 pm

Steve Spurrier III wrote:Please. Don't tell me for one second if you were in Ramsey's shoes you wouldn't at least ask you agent to explore a trade. Ramsey is not so arrogant that he thinks everything should be handed to him, but he's not stupid either. He knows there are teams out there that he could start for without competition, so why shouldn't he want to go there? If I was Ramsey, I would really want to go to Miami, where he could be the #1 starter for a team that went 10-6 last year. What's wrong with that?

Stop trying to portray Ramsey as some sort of egomaniac who is a crybaby if he doesn't get his way. He wants to play (and frankly, if he didn't want to play, that would disappoint me even more), and him being traded gives him the best shot of achieving that...

He'll be able to play if he beats out Brunell in training camp. If he's afraid to compete with Brunell then I don't want him as QB anyway.

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:45 pm

Who said he was afraid of Brunell?

He is a football player. There is a very good chance he might come into camp, look amazing, and not play a down this season. Ramsey wants to play, and there is nothing wrong with that. Asking your agent to explore trade possibilites is being intelligent, not being a baby. If you were Ramsey, which situation would you choose:

1. Compete with Mark Brunell for the starting job of the 5-11 Redskins.

-or-

2. Compete with Jay Fiedler for the starting job of the 10-6 Dolphins.

Come on man, be rational...

SirSmizzy · Post by **SirSmizzy** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:48 pm

Steve Spurrier III wrote:Please. Don't tell me for one second if you were in Ramsey's shoes you wouldn't at least ask you agent to explore a trade. Ramsey is not so arrogant that he thinks everything should be handed to him, but he's not stupid either. He knows there are teams out there that he could start for without competition, so why shouldn't he want to go there? If I was Ramsey, I would really want to go to Miami, where he could be the #1 starter for a team that went 10-6 last year. What's wrong with that?

Stop trying to portray Ramsey as some sort of egomaniac who is a crybaby if he doesn't get his way. He wants to play (and frankly, if he didn't want to play, that would disappoint me even more), and him being traded gives him the best shot of achieving that...

I agree...Why is eveybody so willing to Give brunell all that money and a headstart for the starting QB job an you all want Ramsey to EARN that same spot...the same spot he has already earned...He's not some back up 4th round pick who was on the bench He's a legit 1st round pick..who would start for 15 teams in the NFL.

Take into consideration that his money is not guaranteed and neither is his job appearently...but brunell didnt earn this contract...he didn't even play last year...that a smack in ramseys face...Ramsey has earned your respect hasn't he?
This is the same man you go mto camp and talk to...To overlook all of these things and just simply say"if he wants to go let him ,he a crybaby and i don't want him" is hard for me to comprehend.

You can't just expect him to do whats best for the skins if it's not best for Him or his family....

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 5:24 pm

Stop trying to portray Ramsey as some sort of egomaniac who is a crybaby if he doesn't get his way. He wants to play (and frankly, if he didn't want to play, that would disappoint me even more), and him being traded gives him the best shot of achieving that...

Did Drew Brees have his agent request a trade, and state that he was not a happy camper when Doug Flutie replaced him midway through last season?

skins75 · Post by **skins75** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 5:27 pm

CAN WE PLEASE MOVE ON! Patrick Ramsey is signed. Next story. Who cares what he wants at this point. I love the guy and yes he has great potential. But the guy won four games last year. Where does that guarantee a starting role on a Joe Gibbs team. The fact is he signed the contract. The Redskins took a chance on him in the first round and it will pay off. But Brunell gives us a chance to win right now. That is what I care about. I care about the Redskins as a team not Ramsey and his salary conditions. Sorry if you didnt like the way your contract was laid out you shouldnt have signed it. And I believe he was a hold out as well. You think if your a hold out you would of had more time to really read through it. The point of the matter is that no matter how many times this topic is discussed it is going to go back to the same thing. Ramsey isnt going anywhere PERIOD.

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