Springs to Detroit???? I hope not

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:48 pm

The Washington Redskins have shopped cornerback Shawn Springs to the Detroit Lions, who have the second overall pick.

Completing such a trade would be difficult – perhaps impossible – without including next year's first-round pick. That, according to owner Dan Snyder, means that it is imperative that the team identify the best possible candidate for the sixth pick.

Source: Washington Post

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors;_ylt ... izWrFDubYF

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:30 pm

I saw that as well.

Snyder explained how they accelerated last years 1st round pick to draft Campbell in 2005, along with Carlos Rogers in the 1st round.

With that in mind, if they were to keep this year's #6 pick, would you trade Springs and our 1st round pick next year for the chance to take Calvin Johnson at #2 this year? Meaning, we wouldn't be giving a first round pick away, just that they would use it this year instead of next year. We would then be selecting at #2 and #6 this year. Would you do it?

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:32 pm

Yup. I'd do it in a second... but Detroit won't. Why would they even consider it. At some point Saturday morning, they will have teams selling their souls for that pick.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:34 pm

The value for CJ is too high. He is the best player in the draft. Don't forget that.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:54 pm

frankcal20 wrote:The value for CJ is too high. He is the best player in the draft. Don't forget that.

I know, but we are talking about Matt Millen here. :lol:

I'd even consider throwing in an extra player. Let's expand it a little. Would you give the Lions our 2008 1st rounder, Springs and Lloyd for their #2 pick and the chance to draft Calvin Johnson? I think I'd do it.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:17 pm

SkinsFreak wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:The value for CJ is too high. He is the best player in the draft. Don't forget that.

I know, but we are talking about Matt Millen here. :lol:

I'd even consider throwing in an extra player. Let's expand it a little. Would you give the Lions our 2008 1st rounder, Springs and Lloyd for their #2 pick and the chance to draft Calvin Johnson? I think I'd do it.

We don't have the cap room to take the hit of Springs and Lloyd not to mention the $ amount associated with signing a player at number 2.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:26 pm

SkinsFreak wrote:I saw that as well.

Snyder explained how they accelerated last years 1st round pick to draft Campbell in 2005, along with Carlos Rogers in the 1st round.

With that in mind, if they were to keep this year's #6 pick, would you trade Springs and our 1st round pick next year for the chance to take Calvin Johnson at #2 this year? Meaning, we wouldn't be giving a first round pick away, just that they would use it this year instead of next year. We would then be selecting at #2 and #6 this year. Would you do it?

I would do it in a second. Calvin Johnson and a D stud for Springs and next year's no. 1. Heck, yeah.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:27 pm

frankcal20 wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:The value for CJ is too high. He is the best player in the draft. Don't forget that.

I know, but we are talking about Matt Millen here.

I'd even consider throwing in an extra player. Let's expand it a little. Would you give the Lions our 2008 1st rounder, Springs and Lloyd for their #2 pick and the chance to draft Calvin Johnson? I think I'd do it.

We don't have the cap room to take the hit of Springs and Lloyd not to mention the $ amount associated with signing a player at number 2.

Dude, I know, I'm just speculating for fun here.

So, assuming they could rework Springs' and Lloyd's contracts so there would be very little cap ramifications, much like they did with Arch, and they had the cap room to sign a player at #2, would you make that trade?

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:37 pm

Give me Calvin Johnson and you can have Blloyd Springs Rogers Salavea and next years 1st... mainly because with Calvin our first next year will probably be in the high 20ies or even 32.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:41 pm

Assuming all of this, and to go against the grain I will say no. One thing that this team needs is a bit of continuity. I dont' really care about Lloyd that much but I think that Springs is a good guy in the locker room and if he plays less snaps next year we stand a better chance of him staying healthy. Also, Carlos and Fred need someone to keep them straight. Also Sean Taylor as well. I just think that we should keep the starting players we have and add for depth and/or rotation.

CJ is a hell of a player though. I just watched a game where he had 3 td's agains my team (NC State). If we were more stable, I would say yes in a heartbeat but we have too many area's of need and WR is not one of them. Remember, Sean Taylor has played WR a few snaps in the NFL.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:54 pm

frankcal20 wrote:Remember, Sean Taylor has played WR a few snaps in the NFL.

Right, I remember that. And I remember we used him in the red-zone near the goal line, because we needed a big, tall receiver with good hands and a vast wingspan to grab some TD's down there. :wink:

I hear ya though, Frank. I know we have other holes to fill but you have to admit; there is a level of intrique to this notion.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:57 pm

SkinsFreak wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:Remember, Sean Taylor has played WR a few snaps in the NFL.

Right, I remember that. And I remember we used him in the red-zone near the goal line, because we needed a big, tall receiver with good hands and a vast wingspan to grab some TD's down there. :wink:

I hear ya though, Frank. I know we have other holes to fill but you have to admit; there is a level of intrique to this notion. :)

Oh, i can sit here and daydream about CJ wearing burgandy and gold. The only time I think he will is when he's in the last 2 years of his career.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:17 pm

frankcal20 wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:The value for CJ is too high. He is the best player in the draft. Don't forget that.

I know, but we are talking about Matt Millen here.

I'd even consider throwing in an extra player. Let's expand it a little. Would you give the Lions our 2008 1st rounder, Springs and Lloyd for their #2 pick and the chance to draft Calvin Johnson? I think I'd do it.

We don't have the cap room to take the hit of Springs and Lloyd not to mention the $ amount associated with signing a player at number 2.

Under this trade we'd still have to pay the #6 also :shock:

they could do it if they had to, but that's taking BLloyd out of the deal. He was just paid a $5M bonus all of which would be due plus the prorated remaining from the $5M he got last year.

Rumor has it that the Broncos are working with the Titans to swap the #21 for the #10 pick, only to go back to Det. with the same deal that the lions turned down because the #21st was too far down.

If that went down and Detroit is willing to take Springs for the #10, I'd be all for it. We could use the #6 on Landry and #10 on Okoye. The option to trade down for more picks would still be there.

Paying the #6 and #10 would be about $30M cheaper than trying to pay the #2 and #6.

All that being said when was the last time the Redskins went into a draft with a full contingent of picks? .... Sure would be nice to see

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:18 pm

When was the last time the Redskins draft made 100% sense?????? I can't remember.

Mississippi Hog · Post by **Mississippi Hog** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:43 am

If that went down and Detroit is willing to take Springs for the #10, I'd be all for it. We could use the #6 on Landry and #10 on Okoye. The option to trade down for more picks would still be there.

Paying the #6 and #10 would be about $30M cheaper than trying to pay the #2 and #6

Do you really think that Springs alone is really worth an early 1st rounder? He is good, but he is aging. He wouldn't even bring a late first rounder. Now, if you are talking about Springs and next year's 1st rounder for the 10, that may be a possibility. Especially with the idot that is running the detroit organization. Landry and Okoye would be nice. The more I see about Okoye, the more I really want us to take him over any other D-lineman.[/quote]

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:39 am

Personally, I'd rather keep Springs and just take my chances. I don't want to be in official "rebuild" mode.
Besides...not even Millen would do this, straight up. He's on his last leg again.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:44 am

I would do it just to trade it to Tampa Bay. When Tampa comes knocking I offer them the no.2 pick for there first and both there 2nd round picks. If they dont take it then we just keep C. Johnson.

sonofyens · Post by **sonofyens** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:59 am

frankcal20 wrote:Assuming all of this, and to go against the grain I will say no. One thing that this team needs is a bit of continuity. I dont' really care about Lloyd that much but I think that Springs is a good guy in the locker room and if he plays less snaps next year we stand a better chance of him staying healthy. Also, Carlos and Fred need someone to keep them straight. Also Sean Taylor as well. I just think that we should keep the starting players we have and add for depth and/or rotation.

CJ is a hell of a player though. I just watched a game where he had 3 td's agains my team (NC State). If we were more stable, I would say yes in a heartbeat but we have too many area's of need and WR is not one of them. Remember, Sean Taylor has played WR a few snaps in the NFL.

Springs' locker room presence is irrelevant. First, it is not translating into wins. Second, his career has been so injury riddled, and his cap hit so high, that any value he has in regard to being a locker room presence is seriously outweighed by the negatives. Third, him sitting on his butt with a groin injury does nothing to help Smoot or Rogers develop. Fourth, I have no idea whether they can afford this cap wise, but i would do it in a heartbeat. Taking CJ would elevate our offense to heights the likes of which this team hasnt seen in a decade, and we could then use the 6th pick to, either draft Branch or Okoye or Landry OR trade down and draft a DT AND a safety or mlb for the future.

Continuity is an overrated concept. I know wher eyou are going with this, buyt the club has displayed a willingness to re sign their own; I just dont think Springs has been on the field enough to retain for that reason alone. If the players had to choose between continuity and improving the team, theyd all vote for improving the team.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:27 am

TRADING UP TO GET CJ ONLY HURTS THIS TEAM! It doesn't matter if they trade the #6 and Springs or The #6 and next years first. There is no way CJ helps us as much as Springs and Landry or Springs and Okoye. And there has never, ever been a WR that was worth two high first round picks. Not Monk or even Rice! WR just aren't that important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you trade Springs and the #6, now we need a starting corner and a staring DL. And don't give me that BS that Roggers and Smoot can start and we can plug in whomever at nickle and dime. Who starts if one of those two gets hurt? Yeah, our offense MIGHT be better with CJ but it won't matter if we are scoring 30 points a game if the other team is scoring 40 on us! Plus without some help at DL teams will continue to have 200 yard rushers againts the team!

If we end up with CJ, we end up being an worse team next year.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:45 am

skinsfan#33 wrote:If we end up with CJ, we end up being an worse team next year.

This would be correct if the team did not have a chance to fill-in

a) left guard,
b) defensive end, and
c) defensive tackle.

either in the later rounds of the Draft or Free Agency. Unfortunately, there is this painful tradition in the Front Office to pick up the "splash" player whose name alone can attract fans to the stadium and interest from the media and sponsors. Joe Gibbs is the one lonely voice in that Front Office who knows anything about building a -team-.

I am with you. I think that this team would improve greatly by addressing its three needs above. The best scenario for the Skins is to move down a few spots in the first round and gain one or two picks in the second and third rounds.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:57 am

skinsfan#33 wrote:TRADING UP TO GET CJ ONLY HURTS THIS TEAM! It doesn't matter if they trade the #6 and Springs or The #6 and next years first. There is no way CJ helps us as much as Springs and Landry or Springs and Okoye. And there has never, ever been a WR that was worth two high first round picks. Not Monk or even Rice! WR just aren't that important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you trade Springs and the #6, now we need a starting corner and a staring DL. And don't give me that BS that Roggers and Smoot can start and we can plug in whomever at nickle and dime. Who starts if one of those two gets hurt? Yeah, our offense MIGHT be better with CJ but it won't matter if we are scoring 30 points a game if the other team is scoring 40 on us! Plus without some help at DL teams will continue to have 200 yard rushers againts the team!

If we end up with CJ, we end up being an worse team next year.

I agree with you on everything that you said!!! Doing splashy moves like this one is one of the two factors that has given us..........10 losing seasons over the last 15 years. I think its 10 losing seasons..........It might be 11. I lost count a while ago!

We need to build and our wide reciever position is built! For all of you Brandon Lloyd haters..........that guy was open a dozen times a game last year! He never opened his mouth about it either! You try not throwing to Randy Moss when he's open once and you'll hear about it all week!

WE DON'T NEED A WIDE RECIEVER!!!! ESPECIALLY AN OVERATED ONE LIKE CJ!!!!

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:18 am

skinsfan#33 wrote:TRADING UP TO GET CJ ONLY HURTS THIS TEAM! It doesn't matter if they trade the #6 and Springs or The #6 and next years first. There is no way CJ helps us as much as Springs and Landry or Springs and Okoye. And there has never, ever been a WR that was worth two high first round picks. Not Monk or even Rice! WR just aren't that important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finally, someone's making some sense. The WR position is just vastly overrated, in my opinion because it's a 'glamour' position. Pull up the stats on the top 15 receivers (based on yards in the regular season) in the league, and see how many played in the postseason. I'll save you the time - the answer is 4 (and two of those - M. Harrison and R. Wayne - were on the same team and had a HOF QB tossing them the ball). The best receiver last year - Chad Johnson - wasn't in the playoffs, so if 11 of the top 15 receivers in the league, including the No. 1, didn't even get their team into the postseason, how important can the position be? I'm not saying I wouldn't want Calvin Johnson on our team - he'd be a great addition - but I am saying that we shouldn't mortgage the future and give up too much for him, which we probably will. There's just no way that trading up for CJ makes sense when we have so many other issues to address.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:35 am

1niksder wrote:Rumor has it that the Broncos are working with the Titans to swap the #21 for the #10 pick, only to go back to Det. with the same deal that the lions turned down because the #21st was too far down.

If that went down and Detroit is willing to take Springs for the #10, I'd be all for it. We could use the #6 on Landry and #10 on Okoye. The option to trade down for more picks would still be there.

That would be nice. I'd make that trade as well.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:13 am

SkinsFreak wrote:
1niksder wrote:Rumor has it that the Broncos are working with the Titans to swap the #21 for the #10 pick, only to go back to Det. with the same deal that the lions turned down because the #21st was too far down.

If that went down and Detroit is willing to take Springs for the #10, I'd be all for it. We could use the #6 on Landry and #10 on Okoye. The option to trade down for more picks would still be there.

That would be nice. I'd make that trade as well.

No one in their right mind gives us a 1st rounder for Springs, let alone #10! Don't get me wrong, Springs is a great corner, when healthy, but his is on the wrong side of 30 and has had injury problems. I doubt we could get the #10 spot in the second round for him.

That said, trading him for the #10 spot wouldn't automatically help us. We would have to turn around and draft a corner with the pick. Yes, it helps us down the road (if we pick a cgood corner) but not next year.

Trading Springs, hurts this team in the short term but could be good in the long run.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:42 am

I've always liked Springs, so don't misunderstand me here, but trading Springs, as they are already trying to do, is not such a bad idea. The dude is always hurt and is costing them a buttload of money and cap space. Not to mention that he's no spring chicken anymore. Smoot and Macklin will do just fine as his replacement this year, that's why they are currently shopping Springs. I agree that he's not worth a 1st round pick straight up, but as part of a package, that's a different story.

We've even already heard Gibbs comment earlier on the possibility of moving Springs to safety. So they must feel; 1) Smoot and Macklin can fill in, or... 2) We have a hole at the safety position. :shock: