A Marine told a military court at his sentencing Wednesday that he was "very truly sorry" for his role in the killing of an Iraqi civilian last spring.
Prosecutors say the troops intended to kidnap a known insurgent, but when they couldn't find him they seized Awad instead. LINK HERE
I will say that I am glad he is remorseful and I'm glad he was brought to justice, unlike the insurgents who aren't held to the same standards by... sorry, I can't finish in the lounge.
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This is just a small piece of a bigger pie. He got orders from higher ups who by the way are criminals themselves (lets not forget) to commit this crime. He should be held accountable, so should the leadership. Lets not praise the positives when the underlying fact is that a crime was committed yet again by the U.S. milita occupying Iraq.
He got orders from higher ups who by the way are criminals themselves (lets not forget) to commit this crime
You have evidence? This is simply more of your Ameriphobic, anti-military slander, for which you are famous.
The Marine committed a crime. The Marine was arrested, tried and convicted.
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dnpmakkah wrote:This is just a small piece of a bigger pie. He got orders from higher ups who by the way are criminals themselves (lets not forget) to commit this crime. He should be held accountable, so should the leadership. Lets not praise the positives when the underlying fact is that a crime was committed yet again by the U.S. milita occupying Iraq.
Now! See what I mean! This is your bias....How do I nkow this? Because you don't have a single scrap of evidence to support what you just said. So, take this thing to smack where I can call you what you really are.
To everyone else....
I hope that they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law!
chaddukes wrote:Now! See what I mean! This is your bias....How do I nkow this? Because you don't have a single scrap of evidence to support what you just said. So, take this thing to smack where I can call you what you really are.
To everyone else....
I hope that they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law!
I have no evidence right? That's true. But since when do we need evidence to put on trail the leadership of a military unit for crimes committed under his/her watch.
Lets go back to Iraq and Saddam. You do know that Saddam himself didn't pull the gun and shoot anyone dead right? Yet the American government/military/people like you want to hold him accountable because HE was the leader.
Why don't you use your same bias logic of other nations and point the same dirty finger at your own government. It will all eventually come out so no point in arguing with you.
Some time back when the whole prison torchure scandals were going on. I said the same thing and some of you denied it with the customary "your bias" "you hate America" "leave then" but all that changed slowly but surely. We began to see that it wasn't just one isolated case of torchure but an entire ring of it. And just recently the CIA stated that it received word from the adminstration (HIGHER UPS) that it was ok to use torchure techniques.
So I laugh at all of you who think something of this kind is beyond the U.S. government. Like they could/would never do this. This is just an isolated case by one individual. Oh no...not our nation. Not the nation of the brave. Give me a break. All that mumbo jumbo sounds good in theory and in history book when they feed it you as a little kid but reality says otherwise.
chaddukes wrote:Now! See what I mean! This is your bias....How do I nkow this? Because you don't have a single scrap of evidence to support what you just said. So, take this thing to smack where I can call you what you really are.
To everyone else....
I hope that they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law!
I have no evidence right? That's true. But since when do we need evidence to put on trail the leadership of a military unit for crimes committed under his/her watch.
Lets go back to Iraq and Saddam. You do know that Saddam himself didn't pull the gun and shoot anyone dead right? Yet the American government/military/people like you want to hold him accountable because HE was the leader.
Why don't you use your same bias logic of other nations and point the same dirty finger at your own government. It will all eventually come out so no point in arguing with you.
Some time back when the whole prison torchure scandals were going on. I said the same thing and some of you denied it with the customary "your bias" "you hate America" "leave then" but all that changed slowly but surely. We began to see that it wasn't just one isolated case of torchure but an entire ring of it. And just recently the CIA stated that it received word from the adminstration (HIGHER UPS) that it was ok to use torchure techniques.
So I laugh at all of you who think something of this kind is beyond the U.S. government. Like they could/would never do this. This is just an isolated case by one individual. Oh no...not our nation. Not the nation of the brave. Give me a break. All that mumbo jumbo sounds good in theory and in history book when they feed it you as a little kid but reality says otherwise.
Actually, Saddam ordered those murders and that is much different than someone losing it on your watch. Also, Saddam rose to power in the Bathist party as an assassin, so to say he never pulled the trigger himself couldn't be farther from the truth.
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dnpmakkah wrote:War on Terror = Failure War in Iraq = Failure
You can't be serious!!!
I'll give you some credit on Iraq (which I call a "work in progress" and not a failure).
But the war on terror, a failure?? Really?
Let's say, hypothetically speaking that there have been 1000 terrorist plots schedule for '06 (not in Iraq), how many have been succesfully carried out? And please, spare me the "What about Bush's terrorist acts?" argument. That's getting old.
Based on those numbers, I'd say the war on terror is far from a failure. Of course, I'm not as "in the know" as you seem to be.
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:But the war on terror, a failure?? Really?
I think the world has become less safe due to the war on terror. It's original intentions were good but the planning and initiation of it failed (IMO) thus so has it's outcome. Sure you can say its too early but I don't see it getting better. There has been numerous reports that "terrorist" attacks are up across the globe, the ferocity of the attacks are greater, the precision of it is sharper and more sophisticated. That is why I feel how I feel.
I guess you can say America hasn't been struck in 5 years so in that sense YES the war on terror has been a sucess for America but it has worsened the rest of world since this campaign begun. Many Americans only care about America so them I guess they feel it has been a sucess. I strongly feel that the violence will eventually come here. It will be stronger and will not let up. Not now but possibly later as long as America continues on this course.
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Let's say, hypothetically speaking that there have been 1000 terrorist plots schedule for '06 (not in Iraq), how many have been succesfully carried out? And please, spare me the "What about Bush's terrorist acts?" argument. That's getting old.
No I won't say "Bush's terrorist acts?" That has already proven to be true. As far as your question goes I tried to answer it above already.
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Of course, I'm not as "in the know" as you seem to be.
JansenFan wrote:Actually, Saddam ordered those murders and that is much different than someone losing it on your watch.
Well it is my belief that Rumsfield/Bush ordered this too. They definetly didn't speak out against it until AFTER the news leaks. If Bush/Rumsfield was truely against this type of behavior then I'm sure it would have been embeded into the soldiers not innocently murder people like this. Turning a cheek towards something that is wrong pretty much makes you a part of it.
JansenFan wrote:Also, Saddam rose to power in the Bathist party as an assassin, so to say he never pulled the trigger himself couldn't be farther from the truth.
Saddam is a military man yes unlike Bush who tried to avoid service. But my question was this.
The crimes that Saddam is being tried for (killing the Kurds) was he (Saddam) the one who pulled the trigger? I don't think he did. Did he give the orders to? Yes I think he admitted it in court already. Rumsfield and Bush don't have the guts to admit anything. They are cowards. They won't even admit the war has been a failure so I doubt they would ever admit to authorizing these types of techniques.
dnpmakkah wrote:But since when do we need evidence to put on trail the leadership of a military unit for crimes committed under his/her watch.
I understand why you are saying that........the article says the Marines "kidnapped" him and shot him on the street and you believe the article, but Do you actually think a squad of Marines is that dumb? If you're gonna kill someone do it in the house! Put a weapon, you just got from a insurgent on him, and then say.....HE SHOT AT ME! I HAD TO DO IT! Does the word DUH! mean anything to you? But a squad leader ordering his troops to drag this guy out on the street and then kill him is just stupid! The whole world will see that you just murdered someone and you are screwed!!!
Sorry man, but it looks to me that the squad leader put a team of Marines in charge of "watching" the suspected insurgent and one of them lost it.
chaddukes wrote:That that is all that it is. You have nothing but your "belief" which indicates your bias.....since there isn't a scrap of evidence otherwise.
Do you have any proof of what you say. No you don't. You too base all your beliefs on what you think is true not what you know. You base your beliefs on what the adminstration/media tell you without even flinching that it might be false.
With so much carnage, death and destruction so visible only a person who doesn't want to see it....can't see it.
Redskins Rule wrote:I understand why you are saying that........the article says the Marines "kidnapped" him and shot him on the street and you believe the article, but Do you actually think a squad of Marines is that dumb?
Sure why not? You don't think such a thing as a dumb Marine exists? You think they are so well trained that emotions don't get the best of them. It was either an accident. Which means he is one dumb Marine, or he got orders from higher ups that this sort of behavior is ok. Pick your poison.
chaddukes wrote:That that is all that it is. You have nothing but your "belief" which indicates your bias.....since there isn't a scrap of evidence otherwise.
Do you have any proof of what you say. No you don't. You too base all your beliefs on what you think is true not what you know.
Tell me.....how can I prove a negative? You are the one making the accusation, so the burden of proof is on you. Don't got any? Then don't be surprised when no one believes you!
