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Not only have they stunk it up in the MLB the last 20 years, they knocked off the Yankees in four games in the Wild Card.

I'm rooting for them for the rest of the playoffs.

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Bonderman Is Brilliant As Tigers Eliminate Majors' Top Spenders: Tigers 8, Yankees 3

By Barry Svrluga
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, October 8, 2006; Page E01

DETROIT, Oct. 7 -- The inning, the game, the season all were slipping away from the New York Yankees on a brilliant fall Saturday afternoon when Manager Joe Torre gathered his infield on the mound. Shortstop Derek Jeter, the team's guts, yelled something, then thumped his right hand into his glove, clearly imploring those gathered to get up and go.

Second baseman Robinson Cano clapped as well. Gary Sheffield, playing first, tapped Cano on the hip. And Alex Rodriguez, the third baseman, stood limply, then walked away. Perhaps Rodriguez -- dropped to eighth in the batting order, the final humiliation in a summer full of them -- could sense what awaited him. He would make an error that cost the Yankees a run. He would fail to get a hit or drive in a run. And the Yankees -- so heavily favored in this American League Division Series only three days earlier -- lost to the Detroit Tigers, an 8-3 pummeling in Game 4 that ended their season.

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Detroit players carry Manager Jim Leyland on their shoulders after an 8-3 win on Saturday clinched the Tigers' first ALCS appearance in 19 years. (Mike Cassese - Reuters)

The focus, of course, should be on Tigers right-hander Jeremy Bonderman, the 23-year-old who had a perfect game through five innings, who allowed the Yankees two runs in 8 1/3 dominant innings. It should be on the Tigers as a whole, because they held the fearsome Yankees scoreless for 20 frames between Games 2 and 4, all Detroit victories.

The Tigers ripped out 13 hits, got homers from Magglio Ordoñez and Craig Monroe, and generally played the kind of baseball that made them the best story in the game for much of the summer. Detroit, though, will get its due because its season lives on, and the Tigers will face the Oakland Athletics beginning Tuesday in the AL Championship Series.

Saturday, then, the story was the Yankees and their third baseman, baseball's best talent who, somehow, can't be part of a winner. New York will enter this offseason without a World Series title for the sixth straight season, a streak that is considered unacceptable in the Bronx.

"Certainly," Yankees legend Reggie Jackson said before the game, "there'll be pressure if we don't win. There'll be pressure on everyone."

There will be, however, more pressure on Rodriguez than on anyone else. He is, with a $252 million contract, the highest-paid player in the history of the game, a status that affords him unfathomable luxury yet haunts him anyway. The contract provides expectations that can allow him to put up numbers as he did this year -- a .290 average, 35 homers and 121 RBI -- and still have New Yorkers after his head.

But Rodriguez only cemented his come-up-small-when-it-matters status this week. He hit .071 in the series, with one hit in 14 at-bats. He failed to drive in a run, something he hasn't done in his last 12 postseason games. And with the season on the line, he was placed eighth in the order. Last year's AL MVP, hitting eighth.

So even before the Tigers jumped on Yankees starter Jaret Wright for three runs in the second -- all on the homers from Ordoñez and Monroe -- Rodriguez was the center of the afternoon. In the third, with two outs, Ordoñez hit a grounder to Rodriguez's right. The third baseman went to his backhand, but all he could do was knock it down, scoop it up, then throw to first. Too late and too wide. Ordoñez was safe. Two singles later, the Tigers had a 4-0 lead. Wright was done.

To Detroit's fans, Rodriguez's struggles didn't mean a thing, what with Bonderman on the mound. His last outing came six days earlier, when the Tigers needed only to beat the lowly Kansas City Royals to wrap up the AL Central title. Bonderman was handed a 6-0 lead, yet couldn't hold it. He failed to complete five innings, and Kansas City came back to win. The Tigers, who took over sole possession of first place on May 21, lost it on the last day, in large part because of Bonderman.

"You get yourself in trouble instead of attacking the hitters and making them get themselves out," he said Friday. "I don't know. I [stunk]. I don't know what to tell you."

Sometimes, when pitchers reveal their strategy in the days leading up to a start, it means little, just throwaway words. But Bonderman's message carried weight: He wanted to, simply, throw strikes. Make the Yankees -- who have a reputation for being baseball's pickiest, most patient team -- swing early and often.

And so he did. In retiring the first 15 men he faced, Bonderman didn't reach a three-ball count, needing three or fewer pitches to retire 13 of those men. And when he struck out Jorge Posada to end the fifth, the thunder from the crowd of 43,126 indicated they knew precisely what was happening. Forget that blown lead, the heartbreak of a week ago. Bonderman was pitching a perfect game to eliminate the Yankees.

The crowd was further buoyed when the Tigers scored three off Cory Lidle and Brian Bruney in the fifth, extending the lead to 7-0. And when Cano, the first hitter in the sixth, stepped out of the batter's box as Bonderman was ready to pitch, the fans booed heartily, understanding what was at stake.

Cano, unfazed, swung at Bonderman's 0-1 offering and bounced the ball softly up the middle, a clean single. The fans acknowledged Bonderman's accomplishment, and he went back to work. Three ground balls later, he was out of the inning.

That the Yankees scratched for a run in the seventh hardly mattered. When he came out with one out in the ninth, Bonderman waved his hat at the crowd, and they thundered back their appreciation. He had redeemed himself.

In the opposing dugout, Rodriguez's season ended quietly, and one had to wonder: Would a home stadium ever scream for him like that again?


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I hope that's okay with everyone :wink:
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God I loved to see the Yankees lose... but I feel bad for Alex Rodriquez.

People pile on him like it's his fault that the Yankees suck.

He needs a new image, you know... if he came to the Red Sox, he would have changed I think.

He wouldn't have even bothered to comb his hair, let alone put product in it... might even have grown a beard, shaved his head, who knows...

What might have been.
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Yeah, Go Tigers.
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Skinsfan55 wrote:God I loved to see the Yankees lose... but I feel bad for Alex Rodriquez.

People pile on him like it's his fault that the Yankees suck.

He needs a new image, you know... if he came to the Red Sox, he would have changed I think.

He wouldn't have even bothered to comb his hair, let alone put product in it... might even have grown a beard, shaved his head, who knows...

What might have been.


A Rod is the quintisential yankee.. how you enjoy seeing the yanks lose but not A Rod is beyond me. He only hits well when the yanks are up by 10 runs already, he has no clutch value (you could say he chokes), he plays dirty, has a contract worth more than the federal budget, and lacks drive compared to his team mates (ie jeter, matsui, moose)

When he gets traded when his contract comes to a close, the yanks are going to take a huge salary hit, he'll get a new contract that is based in reality and the baseball world will realize he was all hype based on a crazy contract. Most overpaid man in history.

When the yankees lose i laugh in A rods direction.
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I didn't like A-Rod even when he was a Mariner... he seemed a little fake, he was a good player, but didn't have any charisma.

Then he got offered a ton of money, how could you turn that down? How could you be a poor kid from Miami, who's mother worked two jobs to send you to private school (being awesome at baseball certainly didn't hurt) and turn down that sort of cash?

So he took the money and went to Texas. Perhaps because of his contract the Rangers couldn't or wouldn't afford to put any talent around him. He wallowed in Texas, with terrible pitching for a few years... then Boston came knocking.

He was more than happy to play in Boston, he was being told he would be made the face of the team, from being in a town like Arlington as a semi-popular player to being a baseball frontliner again. He was excited... but the union would not allow him to scale down his contract to fit the Red Sox's needs. He would have given up a few million a year for use of the Red Sox logo etc. to enhance his ability to get endorsements, but the union thwarted him.

Being the type of guy he is, he wanted to please everyone and not go against the wishes of the union. The Red Sox, who foolishly let this out into the open (of course, it could have come from Texas too) were unable to aquire him, and the Yankees scooped him up...

At this point Alex had hardly any say in the matter. After all, would he really want to go from Texas to New York where he would be a role player instead of a front lining star?

So he goes to New York, and just doesn't fit in. First of all, he's a gold glove winning shortstop... not great, but good enough to not be a total travesty at the award... Derek Jeter (who despite the hardware) is NOT a good fielder... but he is the shortstop and A-Rod moves to third where he works all offseason on defense.

He does extremely well in New York, maybe not as well as he did in Texas, but well... and he won a 2nd MVP award...

Still, the Yankees expect even better of him, despite the fact that Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Mike Mussina, Jason Giambi, etc. are all wildly overpaid AND the fact that Alex Rodriquez is light years better than any of them at baseball... the Yankees fans expect A-Rod to be the savior and blame him for everything from the 2004 4 game beating from Boston to their lack of WS championships the last 3 years.

It's idiotic, and the kid deserves a break.

A-Rod needs to find his fan base. He ought to be a hero some where, he seems to be to be a great guy who just needs a change of pace. He needs to go somewhere, find his niche, play for ten years and be remembered as an impact player. I'd try to get traded for Adrian Beltre of the Mariners if I was him... I'd pay to make it happen.
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Skinsfan55 wrote:I didn't like A-Rod even when he was a Mariner... he seemed a little fake, he was a good player, but didn't have any charisma.

Then he got offered a ton of money, how could you turn that down? How could you be a poor kid from Miami, who's mother worked two jobs to send you to private school (being awesome at baseball certainly didn't hurt) and turn down that sort of cash?

So he took the money and went to Texas. Perhaps because of his contract the Rangers couldn't or wouldn't afford to put any talent around him. He wallowed in Texas, with terrible pitching for a few years... then Boston came knocking.

He was more than happy to play in Boston, he was being told he would be made the face of the team, from being in a town like Arlington as a semi-popular player to being a baseball frontliner again. He was excited... but the union would not allow him to scale down his contract to fit the Red Sox's needs. He would have given up a few million a year for use of the Red Sox logo etc. to enhance his ability to get endorsements, but the union thwarted him.

Being the type of guy he is, he wanted to please everyone and not go against the wishes of the union. The Red Sox, who foolishly let this out into the open (of course, it could have come from Texas too) were unable to aquire him, and the Yankees scooped him up...

At this point Alex had hardly any say in the matter. After all, would he really want to go from Texas to New York where he would be a role player instead of a front lining star?

So he goes to New York, and just doesn't fit in. First of all, he's a gold glove winning shortstop... not great, but good enough to not be a total travesty at the award... Derek Jeter (who despite the hardware) is NOT a good fielder... but he is the shortstop and A-Rod moves to third where he works all offseason on defense.

He does extremely well in New York, maybe not as well as he did in Texas, but well... and he won a 2nd MVP award...

Still, the Yankees expect even better of him, despite the fact that Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Mike Mussina, Jason Giambi, etc. are all wildly overpaid AND the fact that Alex Rodriquez is light years better than any of them at baseball... the Yankees fans expect A-Rod to be the savior and blame him for everything from the 2004 4 game beating from Boston to their lack of WS championships the last 3 years.

It's idiotic, and the kid deserves a break.

A-Rod needs to find his fan base. He ought to be a hero some where, he seems to be to be a great guy who just needs a change of pace. He needs to go somewhere, find his niche, play for ten years and be remembered as an impact player. I'd try to get traded for Adrian Beltre of the Mariners if I was him... I'd pay to make it happen.
If you recall though, the "poor kid" from Miami tried to extort a luxery box and exclusive marketing rights from the Mets before he signed with the Rangers. Maybe he should have been better at telling his agent what to do.

I always kind of liked him but now he is getting to be a Holy Roller and a wacko. I agree that he is better than Jeter and the other Yankees at the game of baseball but he does not handle stress the way they do. I have always thought that Jeter was way over-rated. A-Rod needs to get out of the Northeast and into a market that is more laid back - like Southern California because he cannot deal with the stress of East Coast living.
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i HATE the yanks but to say jeter is not a good fielder is crazy talk... hes a freak. one of the best in the game who always sacraafices his body for the game and the win. hes clutch, ballsy, and wicked talented. not a good fielder even though he has the gold glove. yikes
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Yeah, I am NOT a Yankees fan but Jeter is very solid (if not spectacular) at short-stop ... Omar Vizquel would be fairly considered the Gold Glove standard at short during Jeter's career and Jeter's numbers aren't as good but they aren't significantly worse either
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Jeter is a poor fielder by every concieveable metric.

He cheats pretty far towards 2B, doesn't have a very good arm...

Don't get me wrong, he's a good player... and he gets absolutely everything out of his natural talent... but he's just a mediocre fielder.

Yeah, he has the hardware, but so did Rafael Palmiero that year he DH'd...
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SkinsChic wrote:I hope that's okay with everyone :wink:


No it's not okay... this chick has an issue... :twisted:

I HATE DETROIT: Tigers, RedWings, Lions, Pistons... whatever! (Same with Montreal, but you DC'ers already took their baseball team!)

So, how's Toronto doing? :shock: ROTFALMAO
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tazlah wrote:
SkinsChic wrote:I hope that's okay with everyone :wink:


No it's not okay... this chick has an issue... :twisted:

I HATE DETROIT: Tigers, RedWings, Lions, Pistons... whatever! (Same with Montreal, but you DC'ers already took their baseball team!)

So, how's Toronto doing? :shock: ROTFALMAO


ROTFALMAO I have no clue how any of them are doing...don't care...was just thinking that if someone had a mind of their own and made a choice that didn't agree with everyone else's they get chastised.

I hope everyone loses - not a big baseball fan. :lol:
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Jeter is in no way, shape or form "over rated".
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Congratulations to the Tigers!!!!!!

Great ending to the game. Classic!
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Congrats to Detroit. Their fans have suffered with a horrid franchise for the last 20+ years.

The franchise with the losingest recordo of the last 13 years is in the World Series.

I'm rooting for them in the Series as well. Good for them.
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Well the Tigers are now down to the Cardinals 3-1. Tonight the Cardinals will be celebrating
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