Gibbs Confident In Hall

hatsOFF2gibbs · Post by **hatsOFF2gibbs** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:42 am

News & Notes: Gibbs Confident In Hall
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
September 12, 2006

John Hall expects to "bounce back" from his missed field goal in the closing seconds of Monday night's 19-16 loss to the Minnesota Vikings.
Hall has one important person in his corner: head coach Joe Gibbs.

John Hall watches a field goal attempt. (Getty Images)
"For me, I'm glad John Hall is kicking for us," Gibbs said on Tuesday. "I like veteran guys, particularly when it comes to field goals. He is somebody who has won a bunch of games. I think John is probably his own worst critic, but I have a lot of confidence in him. I think we're in good hands there."

Hall had made three field goals earlier in Monday's game, but all three were less than 30 yards. The 48-yarder, which would have tied the game at 19-19, was his longest of the game and it sailed wide left.

"The [missed] field goal didn't cost us the game," Gibbs said. "He hit others. We have to find a way to make plays all the way across the board."

Hall, a 10-year NFL veteran in his fourth year in Washington, is coming off two injury plagued seasons. He believes he is fully healthy now after undergoing off-season surgery to address recurring soreness in his hamstring and groin.

Last year, Hall was sidelined early on with a groin injury. Overall, he connected on 12-of-14 field goal attempts in the 2005 season. He hit his longest field goal of the season in the postseason, a 47-yarder in Tampa Bay, to help the Redskins win 17-10 in the Wild Card round.

A week later, in the Divisional Playoffs against Seattle, Hall connected on a 26-yard field goal in the first quarter, but his 3-yard fourth-quarter attempt was wide left. The Redskins lost to Seattle 20-10.

With Derrick Frost taking over kickoff duties, Hall is focused solely on field goals at this point of his career.

Asked about the missed field goal, Hall said: "This has happened before and I've always bounced back. You throw yourself out in the middle of the ring like that, sometimes you get knocked down and you have to get back up. That's what I plan on doing."

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NOOOOOOOO!! Come on Joe, don't be so loyal to a kicker that can't do anything for us!! I wouldn't depend on him kicking anything more than 35 yards! :roll:

SkinsChic · Post by **SkinsChic** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:27 am

I'm pretty nervous about Hall myself...and about Frost...the kicking game is scarey !

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:32 am

"The [missed] field goal didn't cost us the game," Gibbs said. "He hit others. We have to find a way to make plays all the way across the board."

i agree. we should NEVER have to kick a field goal. then we wouldn't have to worry about hall. go for it on 4th down, we have just as good of a chance at scoring.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:59 am

NOOOOOOOO!! Come on Joe, don't be so loyal to a kicker that can't do anything for us!! I wouldn't depend on him kicking anything more than 35 yards!

. . .so you're mad at Gibbs because he. . .supports his players 100% to the media. . .no matter what the circumstance? Yeah, what a bum. Fire that coach. He can't be doing any good. . .where are all the raging controversies!?

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:20 am

I don't understand. Frost had had 3 straight really good games for us. Let it go people. If there was one positive in the kicking game it was Frost.

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:23 am

Irn-Bru wrote:
NOOOOOOOO!! Come on Joe, don't be so loyal to a kicker that can't do anything for us!! I wouldn't depend on him kicking anything more than 35 yards!

. . .so you're mad at Gibbs because he. . .supports his players 100% to the media. . .no matter what the circumstance? Yeah, what a bum. Fire that coach. He can't be doing any good. . .where are all the raging controversies!?

I've always respected Joe for making praise public and criticism private (unlike that classless Parcells), but I do hope he's at least quietly looking to see if someone else is available. I think Hall's best days are clearly behind him.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:40 am

Hall is a bum. Gibbs needs to just avoid the issue...don't throw him under the bus as long as he's on the team, but please smell the cofee.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:41 am

So Gibbs says he's confident in Hall. Hmmm. I agree that he has been injured and has missed some kicks. I just wonder if Hall has looked real good in practice to make Gibbs say something like this or is there just no one available who is better.

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:59 pm

i can't imagine anyone still available is any better... so i can understand gibbs not saying "yeah, i can't believe we're stuck with this bum, he sucks" to the media.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:33 pm

Hall was 5-6 last year from 40-49 yards.

People take quality kicking for granted, yeah it's easy in videogames, but next time you get a couple free hours take a friend down to your nearest football field and practice kicking 20-30 yarders.

Yeah, it's tough.

After kicking a few chip shots earlier in the game (missed opportunities for Washington) he found himself in a situation where he had to drill a football 50 yards in the air, through the uprights.

We're making too much out of this miss, even Adam Vinatieri misses 40-49 yarders 30% of the time.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:59 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:Hall was 5-6 last year from 40-49 yards.

People take quality kicking for granted, yeah it's easy in videogames, but next time you get a couple free hours take a friend down to your nearest football field and practice kicking 20-30 yarders.

Yeah, it's tough.

After kicking a few chip shots earlier in the game (missed opportunities for Washington) he found himself in a situation where he had to drill a football 50 yards in the air, through the uprights.

We're making too much out of this miss, even Adam Vinatieri misses 40-49 yarders 30% of the time.

I think the issue is that he's missed almost half (14 games) of the last two seasons, he can't kick off without hurting himself and there seems to be a downward trend in the long distance kicks, which hopefully not kicking off will help.

Gibbs is doing the right thing though expressing confidence until either Hall is healthy and the issue goes away or he's released. Dumb would be keeping him and telling him he sucks. One thing Gibbs is not is dumb.

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:11 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:People take quality kicking for granted, yeah it's easy in videogames, but next time you get a couple free hours take a friend down to your nearest football field and practice kicking 20-30 yarders.

Please tell me you're kidding. Just because we can't do it doesn't mean it's okay when John Hall can't do it. Most people here wouldn't be able to pass block a three-step drop. I suppose we aren't allowed to criticize offensive linemen either?

Skinsfan55 wrote:We're making too much out of this miss, even Adam Vinatieri misses 40-49 yarders 30% of the time.

Well, Vinatieri has made 83% of those in his career and 84% since 2004, compared to John Hall's 59% career mark and 60% since 2004. Let's not pretend the difference between Adam Vinatieri and John Hall is insignificant.

As for everyone making too much out of this miss, it isn't this miss that is the problem. It was last year's miss against Seattle (a 36-yard shank). It is his inability to stay healthy, and now his inability to kick off. What does he add to this team? Experience?

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:27 pm

Hall is under observation in my book. If I knew that he came back fully from the injury and/or that his mental toughness is alright, I would have no problem to be in his corner in this debate. But I am not sure.

At the same time, I am not willing to throw him under the bus on one very bad kick. Come on people, he not only missed the uprights, he missed the darn NET behind!!!

I will keep a close watch on him (plus the coaching staff and many thousand angry fans). :lol:

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:02 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:Hall is under observation in my book. If I knew that he came back fully from the injury and/or that his mental toughness is alright, I would have no problem to be in his corner in this debate. But I am not sure.

At the same time, I am not willing to throw him under the bus on one very bad kick. Come on people, he not only missed the uprights, he missed the darn NET behind!!!

I will keep a close watch on him (plus the coaching staff and many thousand angry fans).

I agree. John Hall has pretty much made his own rules and still can't cut it. What other player would Gibbs allow so much leeway to hide his ineptitude.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:45 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:Hall was 5-6 last year from 40-49 yards.

People take quality kicking for granted, yeah it's easy in videogames, but next time you get a couple free hours take a friend down to your nearest football field and practice kicking 20-30 yarders.

Yeah, it's tough.

After kicking a few chip shots earlier in the game (missed opportunities for Washington) he found himself in a situation where he had to drill a football 50 yards in the air, through the uprights.

We're making too much out of this miss, even Adam Vinatieri misses 40-49 yarders 30% of the time.

Yes, Vinatieri misses 30% of the time (actually 29%), but Hall misses 41% of the time, Think about that. He will miss more than 4 out of every 10 kicks from 40-49 yards. Vinateri will make 1 of the 4 that Hall misses. Plus Vinateri ALWAYS hits the big kick, and Hall usually misses it!
When the Skins signed Hall from the Jets his ST coach when asked about the loss, responded to the reporter by saying something like, "When Hall misses a kick are you surprised?"!
I told my father-in-law prior to the kick that I had no doubt in my mind that Hall would miss the kick. He had made 3 of his previous kicks (I held my breath for each 1! encluding the extra point!). This wasgoing to be his 4th kick. He makes ruffly 74% of his kicks, or 3 out of 4! Guess what we got Monday night! 3 out of 4!!

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:58 pm

I hate John Hall..I like nothing about him...he's terrible.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:59 pm

Hall is a bum! He looks like a wuss. We likely hold on to him until we can pick up a better kicker.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:21 am

HEROHAMO wrote:Hall is a bum! He looks like a wuss. We likely hold on to him until we can pick up a better kicker.

We'll stick with him to the depths, whether he's injured or not. Gibbs likes old guys around.

GibbsAcolyte · Post by **GibbsAcolyte** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:16 pm

HEROHAMO wrote:Hall is a bum! He looks like a wuss. We likely hold on to him until we can pick up a better kicker.

Who will you replace him with? I wish there was someone better out there right now, but there probably isn't.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:21 pm

GibbsAcolyte wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:Hall is a bum! He looks like a wuss. We likely hold on to him until we can pick up a better kicker.

Who will you replace him with? I wish there was someone better out there right now, but there probably isn't.

Exactly. It's far too easy to say "there ought to be someone out there that can make 50+ yarders most of the time and kick it off to the 5 consistently!"

Well, there are. . .they're just on other NFL teams.

We're not the only NFL team with kicker problems. The talent may be out there, but not even the professionals can find it. Kicking the football well (and consistently well) is a lot harder than most people assume.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:31 am

Irn-Bru wrote:
GibbsAcolyte wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:Hall is a bum! He looks like a wuss. We likely hold on to him until we can pick up a better kicker.

Who will you replace him with? I wish there was someone better out there right now, but there probably isn't.

Exactly. It's far too easy to say "there ought to be someone out there that can make 50+ yarders most of the time and kick it off to the 5 consistently!"

Well, there are. . .they're just on other NFL teams.

We're not the only NFL team with kicker problems. The talent may be out there, but not even the professionals can find it. Kicking the football well (and consistently well) is a lot harder than most people assume.

Man have you seen him he looks like a twelve year old and looks scared to death when he called upon. Anybody half way decent would be better than hall.