Bush's bill: US citizens can be detained indefinately

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:08 am

The administration is preparing a bill to submit to congess that would allow American citizens to be detained indefinately without trial on suspicion of being connected to our country's enemies. Suspected citizens could be stripped of all rights without the public being aware if there was cause or not. In short, without accountability of any kind, Bush could start jailing all of his politican enemies, including members of the press and anyone critical of his administration. He could start a real reign of terror in which he could jail any congressman who doesn't approve of his legislation, suspend elections, etc.
The man and his cronies are both desperate and insane. Only unlimited power can save them from their crimes, so they're going for it. They've got to be stopped. We could literally lose our freedom.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/072906X.shtml

Punu · Post by **Punu** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:34 am

terror? Lose our freedom? You can't be serious.... No matter what bill is passed, no president of ours will do such a thing. Your talking about something totally different than going to war...
I bet you also believe operation northwood was just a stepping stone and bush is accountable for 9/11? I didn't bother to read the article, just your statement... I just thought it was a bit absurd.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:16 am

Punu wrote:terror? Lose our freedom? You can't be serious.... No matter what bill is passed, no president of ours will do such a thing. Your talking about something totally different than going to war...
I bet you also believe operation northwood was just a stepping stone and bush is accountable for 9/11? I didn't bother to read the article, just your statement... I just thought it was a bit absurd.

It's a bit absurd of you to comment without first reading the article. As a matter of fact, I have no such thoughts concerning operation Northwood and am on record on this site of rejecting the absurd theory that Bush was involved in 911. It's interesting you don't think Bush will use the bill he proposes (if it's passed) any way he wants to. You must have forgetten about lying to get us in a war, outing CIA agents, domestic spying campaigns, torturing prisoners. How far will this monkey go before his followers begin to suspect what he is?

Bush supporters are in pathological denial-- like the denial a child develops in acquiesing to an abusive father whom the child fears to find at fault and thus rewards with blind support. Such a child survives physically but seldom emotionally. In later life they become the troops of authoritarian leaders, still refusing to question or abandon Dad, still begging for a pat on the head, their indentities subordinate to the leader's whims or lies, even dependant upon them.

One thing I've noticed about Bush supporters is their readiness to identify themselves as conservatives or evangelicals, as if being a consertative or evangelical were identities in itself. Another thing is that they seem to get their information and opinions from a central authority, as if identifying with the father is the best they can do in the way of establishing their identities. It would follow then that such people would have to hold on to illusions about Bush because they have insufficient resources to develop idenities other than that the father has given them.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:01 am

It would follow then that such people would have to hold on to illusions about Bush because they have insufficient resources to develop idenities other than that the father has given them.

This from a man who's posts seem little more than a rehash of tired talking points from DU or MoveOn.org.

Facinating.

Punu · Post by **Punu** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:54 am

You must have forgetten about lying to get us in a war, outing CIA agents, domestic spying campaigns, torturing prisoners. How far will this monkey go before his followers begin to suspect what he is?

I have not forgotten anything. And no I'm not a bush supporter. I just don't think he will use his power to just jail members of the press and American citizens under pure suspicion. I know a lot goes on that we don’t know about, but no... I don't buy it man. Your a lot more knowledgable than I am in this particular area so I guess that's all I can say.

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:00 pm

Bush's bill: US citizens can be detained indefinately

All US citizens? Sounds like an excellent idea. Then we Brits can move in and complete our plans for the invasion of Florida. You can keep Iowa though.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:09 pm

Punu wrote:I just don't think he will use his power to just jail members of the press and American citizens under pure suspicion.

Two things:
1. Pure suspicion is what this bill proposes as a standard for detainment.
2. Whether or not you think he will use this power for wrong is totally irrelevant. This is patently anti-constitutional, and far exceeds any unreasonable search and seizure provisions in the Bill of Rights. And even if Bush were to use this new power only for terror suspects, there would be nothing stopping his successors from using it however they wish.

Punu · Post by **Punu** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:21 pm

there would be nothing stopping his successors from using it however they wish

right. But I don't think any U.S. President will abuse it to the extent ppl some ppl say. Just a small opinion, that's all.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:45 pm

Punu wrote:
there would be nothing stopping his successors from using it however they wish

right. But I don't think any U.S. President will abuse it to the extent ppl some ppl say. Just a small opinion, that's all.

Just the possibility that it is open to abuse is enough for me. Anytime government takes rights away from the people, you can kiss them goodbye forever.