Supreme Court: Bush in violation of U.S. law and Geneva Conv

[crazyhorse1]

Yesterday's Supreme Court ruling goes far beyond Bush trying Gitmo detainees by kangaroo courts. It establishes that all detainees, even Al
Qaida members are protected by laws and Geneva Conventions that cannot be suspended by claims of inherent powers of the President (a favorite Bush fantasy). Many of you on this site have constantly argued Bush can establish secret prisons, torture, etc. with impunity because of absurd reasons I have repeatedly stated are B.S. and not in the Conventions or supported by law: such as insurgents don't have uniforms, suspected terrorists are excepted,etc. Well, frankly, you have been flat out wrong and now Bush is in trouble.
Even his spying programs are now, by law, illegal, because they are based on the same invented B.S. his Gitmo policy was-- the inherent power of the President to break the law in war time. He has no such blank check, according to the Supreme Court, and did not receive a blank check from congress.
I don't know what will happen now because of the sheer stupidity and timidity of too many people, but the legal framework for the finding that Bush is a war criminal and a President who has committed numerous impeachable offenses is now firmly in place. That he has now exceeded his powers as chief executive and violated the Geneva Conventions, as well as violated US. law, is now a matter of record. It is also well to note that this decision has been handed down by a conservative court.

[tcwest10]

Yesterday's Supreme Court ruling goes far beyond Bush trying Gitmo detainees by kangaroo courts. It establishes that all detainees, even Al
Qaida members are protected by laws and Geneva Conventions that cannot be suspended by claims of inherent powers of the President (a favorite Bush fantasy). Many of you on this site have constantly argued Bush can establish secret prisons, torture, etc. with impunity because of absurd reasons I have repeatedly stated are B.S. and not in the Conventions or supported by law: such as insurgents don't have uniforms, suspected terrorists are excepted,etc. Well, frankly, you have been flat out wrong and now Bush is in trouble.
Even his spying programs are now, by law, illegal, because they are based on the same invented B.S. his Gitmo policy was-- the inherent power of the President to break the law in war time. He has no such blank check, according to the Supreme Court, and did not receive a blank check from congress.
I don't know what will happen now because of the sheer stupidity and timidity of too many people, but the legal framework for the finding that Bush is a war criminal and a President who has committed numerous impeachable offenses is now firmly in place. That he has exceeded his powers as chief executive and violated the Geneva Conventions, as well as violated US. law, is now a matter of record. It is also well to note that this decision has been handed down by a conservative court.

I saw that you were quoting yourself and didn't want you to feel alone.

[tcwest10]

Yesterday's Supreme Court ruling goes far beyond Bush trying Gitmo detainees by kangaroo courts. It establishes that all detainees, even Al
Qaida members are protected by laws and Geneva Conventions that cannot be suspended by claims of inherent powers of the President (a favorite Bush fantasy). Many of you on this site have constantly argued Bush can establish secret prisons, torture, etc. with impunity because of absurd reasons I have repeatedly stated are B.S. and not in the Conventions or supported by law: such as insurgents don't have uniforms, suspected terrorists are excepted,etc. Well, frankly, you have been flat out wrong and now Bush is in trouble.
Even his spying programs are now, by law, illegal, because they are based on the same invented B.S. his Gitmo policy was-- the inherent power of the President to break the law in war time. He has no such blank check, according to the Supreme Court, and did not receive a blank check from congress.
I don't know what will happen now because of the sheer stupidity and timidity of too many people, but the legal framework for the finding that Bush is a war criminal and a President who has committed numerous impeachable offenses is now firmly in place. That he has exceeded his powers as chief executive and violated the Geneva Conventions, as well as violated US. law, is now a matter of record. It is also well to note that this decision has been handed down by a conservative court.

...and this ends my service. You're on your own now, son.

[Redskins Rule]

Where is the link dude!?!?

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Where is the link dude!?!?

Try the major news sites, it is pretty big news. However, I find it hard to believe that "Dubya" will do time, or be removed from office. He did what he did under an interpretation of the law, etc., now that a ruling is set he will hold to that. A slap on the wrist and a "promise to sin no more" is all I think that will come about.

People like the horse will try to make this THE focal point for their hatred of the President, but, ultimately, it will be in vain, as Dubya will ride out his lame duck season.

[yupchagee]

You should be less concerned about Bush getting slapped down & more about our security. What exactly are we suposed to do with these terrorists.

[TincoSkin]

You should be less concerned about Bush getting slapped down & more about our security. What exactly are we suposed to do with these terrorists.

yeah like all of the people at gitmo are terrorists... you know how many of them are just iraqis who were picked up at random for living in a wrong neighborhood?

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

You should be less concerned about Bush getting slapped down & more about our security. What exactly are we suposed to do with these terrorists.

yeah like all of the people at gitmo are terrorists... you know how many of them are just iraqis who were picked up at random for living in a wrong neighborhood?

No. Do you? If so, how is that?

[yupchagee]

You should be less concerned about Bush getting slapped down & more about our security. What exactly are we suposed to do with these terrorists.

yeah like all of the people at gitmo are terrorists... you know how many of them are just iraqis who were picked up at random for living in a wrong neighborhood?

If they have no conection to terrorists, we send them home. Why would we want to keep more than we have to?

[1niksder]

You should be less concerned about Bush getting slapped down & more about our security. What exactly are we suposed to do with these terrorists.

yeah like all of the people at gitmo are terrorists... you know how many of them are just iraqis who were picked up at random for living in a wrong neighborhood?

Doesn't Gitmo house the non-terrorist that were picked up for living in the wrong neighborhoods in Afganistan? I read somewhere that all non-terrorists that were picked up in the wrong neighborhood in Iraq are being housed in a undisclosed location within that country.

Am I wrong or just reading the wrong blogs?

[yupchagee]

You should be less concerned about Bush getting slapped down & more about our security. What exactly are we suposed to do with these terrorists.

yeah like all of the people at gitmo are terrorists... you know how many of them are just iraqis who were picked up at random for living in a wrong neighborhood?

Doesn't Gitmo house the non-terrorist that were picked up for living in the wrong neighborhoods in Afganistan? I read somewhere that all non-terrorists that were picked up in the wrong neighborhood in Iraq are being housed in a undisclosed location within that country.

Am I wrong or just reading the wrong blogs?

My understanding is that only those suspected of terrorism are at Gitmo. What do you mean "Picked up for living in the wrong neighborhood"? Are you saying that we arrest everyone in certain neighborhoods? I don't think we have the facilities to house that many. If we are detaining people for no reason, it is not only wrong but stupid.

[1niksder]

I don't know who is being picked up from where or what they were doing. Ijust want to know if those that were (if they were) hanging in the wrong neighborhood (if it really was a wrong neighborhood) in Irag are really being held at Gitmo or if it were the guys in Afgan... never mind

[yupchagee]

I don't know who is being picked up from where or what they were doing. Ijust want to know if those that were (if they were) hanging in the wrong neighborhood (if it really was a wrong neighborhood) in Irag are really being held at Gitmo or if it were the guys in Afgan... never mind

I doubt if we would go to all that trouble & PO so many countries without a good reason.

[crazyhorse1]

You should be less concerned about Bush getting slapped down & more about our security. What exactly are we suposed to do with these terrorists.

yeah like all of the people at gitmo are terrorists... you know how many of them are just iraqis who were picked up at random for living in a wrong neighborhood?

Doesn't Gitmo house the non-terrorist that were picked up for living in the wrong neighborhoods in Afganistan? I read somewhere that all non-terrorists that were picked up in the wrong neighborhood in Iraq are being housed in a undisclosed location within that country.

Am I wrong or just reading the wrong blogs?

That is not true.
Many of the Gitmo prisoners were simply picked up in Afghanistan. There have been no trials because there is no evidence and we would have to release them if there were. Incredibly, one prisoner was sent to Gitmo for owning a cell phone; others are senile or under sixteen; and many were actually sold to the U.S. by Afghan war lords who weren't required to produce evidence. The probability is that Bush and Co were finding it advantegeous to acquire the services of Afghan forces by paying them for each person they abducted, knowing full well the prisoners weren't terrorists.
That is why there has been no trials and the administration is so threatened by the possibility of actual legal proceedings.
There are many people in this country who still do not understand that the Bush administration is a criminal administration. I do not understand the level of denial in such individuals. Hardly a day passes without us learning of some new and horrendous act by the government.
Does anybody read?
Yesterday it was discovered that Bush lied about having informed members of congress about the Bank spying program.
It was also disclosed yesterday that the spying program on Americans (NASA scandal) was started before 911 occured, not in response to it.
We've also recently learned that voting machine have in fact been easily rendered crooked, and that the average wait to vote for Kerry in heavily democratic areas in Ohio was three and one half hours, as opposed to the fifteen minute waiting time in Republican areas.
This little batch of goodies is nothing more than a daily offering to the ongoing Bush saga of crime, yet still we tolerate it-- the total lawlessness of an American president.

[yupchagee]

You should be less concerned about Bush getting slapped down & more about our security. What exactly are we suposed to do with these terrorists.

yeah like all of the people at gitmo are terrorists... you know how many of them are just iraqis who were picked up at random for living in a wrong neighborhood?

Doesn't Gitmo house the non-terrorist that were picked up for living in the wrong neighborhoods in Afganistan? I read somewhere that all non-terrorists that were picked up in the wrong neighborhood in Iraq are being housed in a undisclosed location within that country.

Am I wrong or just reading the wrong blogs?

That is not true.
Many of the Gitmo prisoners were simply picked up in Afghanistan. There have been no trials because there is no evidence and we would have to release them if there were. Incredibly, one prisoner was sent to Gitmo for owning a cell phone; others are senile or under sixteen; and many were actually sold to the U.S. by Afghan war lords who weren't required to produce evidence. The probability is that Bush and Co were finding it advantegeous to acquire the services of Afghan forces by paying them for each person they abducted, knowing full well the prisoners weren't terrorists.
That is why there has been no trials and the administration is so threatened by the possibility of actual legal proceedings.
There are many people in this country who still do not understand that the Bush administration is a criminal administration. I do not understand the level of denial in such individuals. Hardly a day passes without us learning of some new and horrendous act by the government.
Does anybody read?
Yesterday it was discovered that Bush lied about having informed members of congress about the Bank spying program.
It was also disclosed yesterday that the spying program on Americans (NASA scandal) was started before 911 occured, not in response to it.
We've also recently learned that voting machine have in fact been easily rendered crooked, and that the average wait to vote for Kerry in heavily democratic areas in Ohio was three and one half hours, as opposed to the fifteen minute waiting time in Republican areas.
This little batch of goodies is nothing more than a daily offering to the ongoing Bush saga of crime, yet still we tolerate it-- the total lawlessness of an American president.

Where do you get these "facts"? Exactly what NASA scandal are you refering to? Are astranauts spying on people? You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the butt.

[Countertrey]

We've also recently learned that voting machine have in fact been easily rendered crooked, and that the average wait to vote for Kerry in heavily democratic areas in Ohio was three and one half hours, as opposed to the fifteen minute waiting time in Republican areas.

And, then there is sweet irony...

Does anybody read? ...

It was also disclosed yesterday that the spying program on Americans (NASA scandal) was started before 911 occured [sic]

NASA, huh?

[yupchagee]

We've also recently learned that voting machine have in fact been easily rendered crooked, and that the average wait to vote for Kerry in heavily democratic areas in Ohio was three and one half hours, as opposed to the fifteen minute waiting time in Republican areas.

And, then there is sweet irony...

Does anybody read? ...

It was also disclosed yesterday that the spying program on Americans (NASA scandal) was started before 911 occured [sic]

NASA, huh?

I guess if you are going to be creative with your "facts" you might as well go all the way!

[crazyhorse1]

We've also recently learned that voting machine have in fact been easily rendered crooked, and that the average wait to vote for Kerry in heavily democratic areas in Ohio was three and one half hours, as opposed to the fifteen minute waiting time in Republican areas.

And, then there is sweet irony...

Does anybody read? ...

It was also disclosed yesterday that the spying program on Americans (NASA scandal) was started before 911 occured [sic]

NASA, huh?

I guess if you are going to be creative with your "facts" you might as well go all the way!

NSA, of course. Chew on following, please:

http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/feat ... index.html


Is Salon good enough for you, or must you receive all your information from Bush talking points and/or Fox. Your uncritical approval of authority makes you a classic enabler-- similarities between your mental disposition and those of the supporters of other fascists regimes are too striking not to mention. What official crap from power will you not believe?

[admin]

Attack the post, not the poster.

[yupchagee]

We've also recently learned that voting machine have in fact been easily rendered crooked, and that the average wait to vote for Kerry in heavily democratic areas in Ohio was three and one half hours, as opposed to the fifteen minute waiting time in Republican areas.

And, then there is sweet irony...

Does anybody read? ...

It was also disclosed yesterday that the spying program on Americans (NASA scandal) was started before 911 occured [sic]

NASA, huh?

I guess if you are going to be creative with your "facts" you might as well go all the way!

NSA, of course. Chew on following, please:

http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/feat ... index.html


Is Salon good enough for you, or must you receive all your information from Bush talking points and/or Fox. Your uncritical approval of authority makes you a classic enabler-- similarities between your mental disposition and those of the supporters of other fascists regimes are too striking not to mention. What official crap from power will you not believe?

If you want to use salon as "proof" I'll have to resort to frontpagemag or worldnetdaily. You have no idea which sources I trust (if any) nor do you know my opinion of this or any other administration. Why don't you try thinking & using real sources of information instead of calling everyone who disagrees with you a fascist. If anyone on this board displays a fascist mentality, it is you.

[Fios]

I'm going to echo what Boss Hog said, please keep the posts focused on the topic at hand, let's avoid personal attacks of any kind

[1niksder]

Where do you get these "facts"? Exactly what NASA scandal are you refering to? Are astranauts spying on people? You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the butt.

You guys run around the board spouting your facs and posting your links, then you throw a "where are your facts" post out there.

Here are the Facts:

The Martians have long been known to be running NASA and any time they want us to confuse the NSA and NASA they could do it with the snap of their fingers even though everyone knows martians are all thumbs.

See that's the scandal "Martians have more thumbs because <insert theory here> and the <insert party of chocie here> knew it all along.

Don't be bad mouthing Astranuuts... they are like servicemen (they do what they are told... whoelse is going to pay them to do what they do?)? If the goverment wants to know if the Saturnrians are plotting with the man in the moon they have every right to know, and in this day and age Oprah's asking price is way too high

[yupchagee]

Where do you get these "facts"? Exactly what NASA scandal are you refering to? Are astranauts spying on people? You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the butt.

You guys run around the board spouting your facs and posting your links, then you throw a "where are your facts" post out there.

Here are the Facts:

The Martians have long been known to be running NASA and any time they want us to confuse the NSA and NASA they could do it with the snap of their fingers even though everyone knows martians are all thumbs.

See that's the scandal "Martians have more thumbs because <insert theory here> and the <insert party of chocie here> knew it all along.

Don't be bad mouthing Astranuuts... they are like servicemen (they do what they are told... whoelse is going to pay them to do what they do?)? If the goverment wants to know if the Saturnrians are plotting with the man in the moon they have every right to know, and in this day and age Oprah's asking price is way too high

WOW! now it's as clear as the atmosphere of Venus.

[Countertrey]

Your uncritical approval of authority makes you a classic enabler-- similarities between your mental disposition and those of the supporters of other fascists regimes are too striking not to mention.

And, so it goes.

[1niksder]

That is not true.

I didn't say or ask anything about the People picked up in Afghanistan. I think I've suggested inthe past that you read my complete post before you jump in trying to correct me, as your not very good at it .

Many of the Gitmo prisoners were simply picked up in Afghanistan. There have been no trials because there is no evidence

Again had you taken off your Bush bashing goggles you wold have noticed that I have only disputed Iraqis being held in Gitmo and never gave any reason why they were being held or how they came to be housed there.

Since you've done it again I'll play alone (of course this is do to bordom)They have been accused of being terrorist that is not a crime unless a act of terrorism is attached. There for they are not due a trail as they haven't been charge with breaking a U.S. law

and we would have to release them if there were.

To say this is just plan crazyhorse1ism and it would be a waste of time to debate this when we don't know what the evidence would be or how the detainees would plea to charges if any were brought.

Incredibly, one prisoner was sent to Gitmo for owning a cell phone; others are senile or under sixteen; and many were actually sold to the U.S. by Afghan war lords who weren't required to produce evidence.

But what was the history of the cell phone. Cell phones are use for more than making calls. You would still have to look at the call records so I fail to see your point. How do you know the phone he was caught with wasn't part of a group of phones purchased, that had been linked to triggering devices prior to the U.S. ousting the Taliban. Yuo don't so again, what's your point as to why he is being held. You only know what someone told you or what you've read.

The probability is that Bush and Co were finding it advantegeous to acquire the services of Afghan forces by paying them for each person they abducted, knowing full well the prisoners weren't terrorists.

See that so what you know why would we pay them for people we didn't want? True it was and it advantageous to have the services of the Afgans, but it wasn't like that we were paying because they were Afghans thay said they wanted to help - they were paid weather they produced results or not. Why house people we don't suspect can help us with info or some other resource that they hold? If the current Adminastration was as criminal as you say most of those that you champion would be dead(long before being loaded on C130 and 141s enroute to Cuba. I'm just giving you the facts because for some reason you think you know them, and you're no where close on this subject (One that I hadn't even comented on, other than to point out that there was no one picked up in Iraq currently in Gitmo)

That is why there has been no trials and the administration is so threatened by the possibility of actual legal proceedings.

Best I can tell the White House as felt it was acting within the law. After the SC ruling pointed out that it saw other wise Bush and Co. (as you call them) have starting looking at how to remdy this yet you say they are threatened by legal action. Again you forget they are all classified as Enemy combatants before you say send then back to Kandarhar. They could be off-loaded on the same airstrips that the took off from (now fully in control of the US Military... how are very well trained in killing enemy combatants on site). That would pretty much clear Bush and Co. of anything you could come up with as it would die with all those envolved.

There are many people in this country who still do not understand that the Bush administration is a criminal administration. I do not understand the level of denial in such individuals. Hardly a day passes without us learning of some new and horrendous act by the government.

Not a one has yet reached the top... that's beside the point, Not a day goes by that accusation and charges are treated differently in the courts of law. (That's kind of why we have troops in both Kabul and Bagdag)

Does anybody read?
Yesterday it was discovered that Bush lied about having informed members of congress about the Bank spying program.
It was also disclosed yesterday that the spying program on Americans (NASA scandal) was started before 911 occured, not in response to it.

It's tha NSA for those of us that don't spaceout on the regular bases but I'm following you. So what you are saying is this Administration was actually looking for those that would try to hurt us prior to them actually setting their plan into motion. You only know what was reported so who knows what Bush actually said (have you really listened to him... he tends to leave something to the amagination)

We've also recently learned that voting machine have in fact been easily rendered crooked, and that the average wait to vote for Kerry in heavily democratic areas in Ohio was three and one half hours, as opposed to the fifteen minute waiting time in Republican areas.
This little batch of goodies is nothing more than a daily offering to the ongoing Bush saga of crime, yet still we tolerate it-- the total lawlessness of an American president.

Had nothing to do to with the time people actually went to tha polls right.

White collar workers can go at their leasure while the the Blue collar paycheck earner has to wait until the end of his shift. Look at the demographics and the locations of polling stations before you bring up history whentalking about the present (it's readly available and I've seen you post all kinds of links)

Again I'm defending our CIC and the decsions that come with that job. You can Bash away at Bush but know what your talking about every now and then when you come at me. You're 0 for 4ever at last count.