Montgomery, Havner, Simon

[Gibbs4Life]

These three at least from the snapshots look like they came to play though Montgomery and Havner both need to hit the weights, I live in Tenn and believe me when I tell you KEVIN SIMON is a beast and WILL MAKE THIS TEAM, I garauntee it, but the key to our season will be our OLINE because our divisional foes are built to destroy OLINES, saw a shot of the pro bowl where Chris Samuels was blocking Dwight Freeney and winning, great sign since the games outside of our division will be crucial wins being that the nfc east is what it is this year "brutal"

At the beginning of the year our line will be tested and teams will try and make Brandon Lloyd beat them, I think he just might, at which point we'll see dime coverage then Mr Portis does his thing.

Redskins Security Check

Defense- OK

Offense- OK (Warning: Brunell Old, O-Line= 1 injury could
be very costly.)

Special Teams- Better than last year but all bets are
off at the punter pos.

Also, I'll be thrilled to see Jason Cambell win a few games for us as long as Todd Collins does not see anytime , we would have been better off bringing Rypien back.

[Redskin in Canada]

... I live in Tenn and believe me when I tell you KEVIN SIMON is a beast and WILL MAKE THIS TEAM, I garauntee it, ...

http://utsports.cstv.com/sports/m-footb ... vin00.html

[DCGloryYears828791]

... I live in Tenn and believe me when I tell you KEVIN SIMON is a beast and WILL MAKE THIS TEAM, I garauntee it, ...

http://utsports.cstv.com/sports/m-footb ... vin00.html

5'11" Linebacker is guaranteed to make the team????

Who exactly is this monster going to kick off the current roster???????

[oneman56]

What does 5'11" have to do with anything? Al Wilson is that height and from Tennessee and I guarantee he would be our middle linebacker if here were here. I think the kids got a good shot at making our team.

[DCGloryYears828791]

What does 5'11" have to do with anything? Al Wilson is that height and from Tennessee and I guarantee he would be our middle linebacker if here were here. I think the kids got a good shot at making our team.

Are u comparing an 7th round senior who missed almost all of last season to AL Wilson??? By the way........Simon is listed at 5'10 235, Al Wilson is 6'0 240. 2 inches is two inches.

Now, I have nothing against him being 5'10" actually, my question was more, who's spot is he going to take on the roster???? You both believe that not only do we have one rookie (who is a guaranteed to make the roster) but two, and one of them undrafted is going to make our 53 man roster???

If anything Spencer Havner has a better shot and making this squad then Simon. Sorry but i just think your buddy from UT is a bit to small and to far down list to displace any of our current guys or McIntosh or Havner.

Khary Campbell
Chris Clemons
Marcus Washington
Lemar Marshall
Warrick Holdman
Robert McCune
Rocky McIntosh

I know we are not going to carry 7 linebackers so please tell me who Simon is going to boot off the team.

[fredp45]

It's not about booting someone off the team, it's about the practice squad or IR for these two players. Not a bad place for a year to learn and make some pretty good cash. I don't see Holdman on our team more than one more year. So, I could see one of these 2 making the team next year as his replacement. Maybe this year if we get an injury.

[Gibbs4Life]

Simon will play if not than his presance will have made Clemons and KCampbell raise their level of play. If not for Simon's knee injury he was a first day pick, and Havner has said he thought he'd go in the 3rd. Both Havner and Simon make this team.

[aswas71788]

I do not know about Simon but I have seen Havner play out here several times. If I would take bets on any of the rookies breaking into the linebacker corps, I would bet on Havner; smart, fast, quick, always around the ball, great hands.

[1niksder]

I do not know about Simon but I have seen Havner play out here several times. If I would take bets on any of the rookies breaking into the linebacker corps, I would bet on Havner; smart, fast, quick, always around the ball, great hands.

Check out the Redskins.com Williams interveiw after workouts... He said the same thing about Havner, but he's not taking bets

[blackirishman2006]

i think simon has a good shot to make the team

i think everyones favorite hanver is on the side looking in because his playing style doesnt fit Greg WIlliams killer bee agreessive defense .

hanver is a read and react guy , not a bring the business to you type of Lb, the no con on him AT Ucle was that h e made alot of tackles 15, 10 , 20 yards down the filed. he never hardly got any tackles for loss.

I think SImon, has a chane to make the team because he comes from tennesse, they run a very agreesive defense in Tenn and simon is a MLB with some size, 5-11 239

McIntosh wil make the team,Reed the saftey from northen coloroda wil lmae the team, i think CHiki the big cbfrorm oklahoma wil lalso make the team, he is 6-1 215 and runs a 4.4/40 . you cant teach that.

[yupchagee]

If Havner didn't fit Williams style, he would not have been signed.

[UK Skins Fan]

More on Havner here:
http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20060508-125958-5098r.htm
Looks like he has a chip on his shoulder.

[rick301]

If Havner didn't fit Williams style, he would not have been signed.

Williams seems to really like Havner ...

"He has a smooth movement to him. He has a nice instinctive feel for coverage and that's usually one of the things that young linebackers do the worst. That is a good thing for him. The next thing he has to do is show us how tough he is. We'll know that only when the pads come on. But I like his body language right now. He has promise. He deserves the opportunity to be here. He deserves the opportunity to be at the next camp."

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=17074

[HEROHAMO]

What does 5'11" have to do with anything? Al Wilson is that height and from Tennessee and I guarantee he would be our middle linebacker if here were here. I think the kids got a good shot at making our team.

Are u comparing an 7th round senior who missed almost all of last season to AL Wilson??? By the way........Simon is listed at 5'10 235, Al Wilson is 6'0 240. 2 inches is two inches.

Now, I have nothing against him being 5'10" actually, my question was more, who's spot is he going to take on the roster???? You both believe that not only do we have one rookie (who is a guaranteed to make the roster) but two, and one of them undrafted is going to make our 53 man roster???

If anything Spencer Havner has a better shot and making this squad then Simon. Sorry but i just think your buddy from UT is a bit to small and to far down list to displace any of our current guys or McIntosh or Havner.

Khary Campbell
Chris Clemons
Marcus Washington
Lemar Marshall
Warrick Holdman
Robert McCune
Rocky McIntosh

I know we are not going to carry 7 linebackers so please tell me who Simon is going to boot off the team.

IF Simon is better turns out to be better than Marshall then he deserves to play.

[Irn-Bru]

IF Simon is better turns out to be better than Marshall then he deserves to play.

So an undrafted free agent is going to perform better than our battle-tested middle linebacker who led the defense last year? I know you only said IF, but how could anyone expect anything different?

[Chris Luva Luva]

The only way Simon beats LM out of his spot is if he discovers a way to literally pour knowledge/experience in his brain.

Even if Simon is a better player physically he wouldn't start over LM.

I think solid evidence of this can be found in Holdman. He's considered slow and horrible by many here but he knows the defense. That one factor allowed him to keep his starting role, not get released this offseason and keeps him in the hunt. We've all seen what great athleticism and no brains get you.

[Mursilis]

IF Simon is better turns out to be better than Marshall then he deserves to play.

So an undrafted free agent is going to perform better than our battle-tested middle linebacker who led the defense last year? I know you only said IF, but how could anyone expect anything different?

I don't know a thing about this Simon/Marshall controversy, but weren't some of the original Hogs undrafted free agents? Sometimes, those are your hungriest guys, with chips on their shoulders and something to prove. At least Simon will keep Marshall on his toes!

[Irn-Bru]

I don't know a thing about this Simon/Marshall controversy,

I agree; I don't think one exists, which is what I was pointing out in my first post.

but weren't some of the original Hogs undrafted free agents? Sometimes, those are your hungriest guys, with chips on their shoulders and something to prove.

Right, but my only point is that we're not going to see an undrafted free agent take over a spot from Marshall. (Coincidentally, Marshall is himself an UFA). UFA's play with a fire in their belly, which is great, but these guys (including the Hogs themselves) don't become superstars overnight.

[DCGloryYears828791]

IF Simon is better turns out to be better than Marshall then he deserves to play.


This is not a serious thought is it?????

[1niksder]

I don't know a thing about this Simon/Marshall controversy,

I agree; I don't think one exists, which is what I was pointing out in my first post.

but weren't some of the original Hogs undrafted free agents? Sometimes, those are your hungriest guys, with chips on their shoulders and something to prove.

Right, but my only point is that we're not going to see an undrafted free agent take over a spot from Marshall. (Coincidentally, Marshall is himself an UFA). UFA's play with a fire in their belly, which is great, but these guys (including the Hogs themselves) don't become superstars overnight.

UFA = unrestricted free agent
UDFA = undrafted free agent

Sorry but this is all I have to add to this Simon / Lemar competition.Other than this... I think Simon is focused more on making the roster than making the starting roster.

Now if Simon does show signs of starterdom , Marshall could always switch to the weakside , but I don't see it.

[Redskin in Canada]

... but I don't see it.

I agree. I suffer from the same eyesight limitations.

[yupchagee]

Simon isn't an undrafted free agent. He was drafted in the 7th round.

[HEROHAMO]

IF Simon is better turns out to be better than Marshall then he deserves to play.


This is not a serious thought is it?????

And why not? If he got the chance to play and produce whats wrong with that? Like Gibbs said himself he brought in new recruits to make things competitive that means every ones got a chance to earn a starting spot. All I am saying is if he earns it and the GW grants him a starting spot then so be it.

[HEROHAMO]

Marshall is a good player and performed well last year. That being said it wasnt outstanding though. I remember one play when the Raiders burnt us deep and Marshall blew his assignment. He is solid against the run but I would like to see him improve his speed and quickness. I rarely recall hearing his name called for a big play or tackle. I think we could improve at MLB sorry but thats just what I believe. If Simon turns out to be a better player than Im all for it. And as far as knowing the system these guys are football players theyve been playing this game for years. There is nothing that GW has in his playbook that other coaches dont have. Its all pretty much the same just when he decides to call a certain play and how he disguises a blitz its all the same. Cover2,3,4,1, 3-4,4-3, nickel, dime, quarters, zone, man whatever there is nothing new. Bla bla bla

[DCGloryYears828791]

Marshall is a good player and performed well last year. That being said it wasnt outstanding though. I remember one play when the Raiders burnt us deep and Marshall blew his assignment. He is solid against the run but I would like to see him improve his speed and quickness. I rarely recall hearing his name called for a big play or tackle. I think we could improve at MLB sorry but thats just what I believe. If Simon turns out to be a better player than Im all for it. And as far as knowing the system these guys are football players theyve been playing this game for years. There is nothing that GW has in his playbook that other coaches dont have. Its all pretty much the same just when he decides to call a certain play and how he disguises a blitz its all the same. Cover2,3,4,1, 3-4,4-3, nickel, dime, quarters, zone, man whatever there is nothing new. Bla bla bla

Ok, here is my point HH.

If this Simon guy turns out to be better than Marshall than absolutely he should start. The logic is however, there is no chance in hell that a seventh round pick will come into training camp and displace a Lemar Marshall whom the Redskins coaching staff is in love with.

For you to call out Lemar on one play against the raiders is ridiculous. If we were to base performances on that measure you can call out Springs in the Seahawks game, Portis in the first giants game, the list goes on and on.

Marshall was the quarterback of a top ten defense in the national football league, and there is no way, mark my words, no way Simon will displace him at middle linebacker this year. In the words of Sean Salisbury i will walk naked from lorton to dc if Simon starts over Lemar Marshall.

You don't need superstars at every position on your team and i see absolutely no reason whatsoever to displace a very good starter at MLB nor do i feel that anybody much less a 7th round pick will be the one to do that.

And to finish, based on his critics and all of the so called experts saying we were doomed without Antonio Pierce (who i loved) I thought Lemar had an outstanding season. Consider the stats before you go bashing him.

98 tackles, 2 sacks and 4 interceptions is hardly a down year!

As for your last point that the system doesnt matter, go ask Lavar if the system made a difference. And in no way am i bashing him, GW's system requires athletic, smart, disciplined guys. Your boy Simon is a long way from achieving that type of status.

Hell, if he was that good he would have been chosen in the first round ahead of Rocky McIntosh!!