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Sinorice Moss not Top-10?

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:19 pm
by VASkin27
Not to second guess the guys at THN, but I was just wondering why Sinorice Moss didn't make the top ten ranking for Wide Receivers in a very weak WR draft class. Most of the other rankings I've looked at have him ranked somewhere in the 5-8 range, and going in the second round. He had a great Senior Bowl and is regarded as one of the most sure-handed guys in the draft. I know he lacks big play potential, but as a possession receiver he would be hard to shut down and a great guy to look for while everyone is doubling Santana. I think he'd be great as a #3 receiver, kind of like a faster Brandon Stokley.

If his stock is falling, that could be great. I would love to spend our 2nd rounder on Tapp and pick Moss up in the third or maybe even the fourth. I don't just like him b/c of his skill; it would be a huge story if he ended up being a major contributor along side his brother.

If there's something I missed as to why THN has him ranked so low, please let me in on it.

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:28 pm
by ANT7088
Maybe this is why!

MOSS' CAREER STATISTICS

Year G-S No. Yards Avg. TD LP
2002 12-0 3 30 10.0 0 17
2003 13-0 8 111 13.9 0 32
2004 11-4 20 351 17.5 3 63
Totals 36-4 31 492 15.9 3 63


These are Santana's college stats....

Year G-S Rush Rec PR KOR IR FR Tot Avg/G
2000 11-11 201 748 655 0 0 0 1604 145.8
1999 12-12 2 899 467 134 0 0 1502 125.2
1998 10-8 35 631 74 73 0 0 813 81.3
1997 8-0 39 269 0 168 0 7 483 60.4
Total 41-31 277 2546 1196 375 0 7 4394 107.2

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:37 pm
by The Hogster
ANT7088 wrote:Maybe this is why!

MOSS' CAREER STATISTICS

Year G-S No. Yards Avg. TD LP
2002 12-0 3 30 10.0 0 17
2003 13-0 8 111 13.9 0 32
2004 11-4 20 351 17.5 3 63
Totals 36-4 31 492 15.9 3 63


These are Santana's college stats....

Year G-S Rush Rec PR KOR IR FR Tot Avg/G
2000 11-11 201 748 655 0 0 0 1604 145.8
1999 12-12 2 899 467 134 0 0 1502 125.2
1998 10-8 35 631 74 73 0 0 813 81.3
1997 8-0 39 269 0 168 0 7 483 60.4
Total 41-31 277 2546 1196 375 0 7 4394 107.2


That's kind of misleading though since he wasn't starting at WR. He was a special teams guy. I think he has a shot to go in the early 2nd round, maybe late first. Who knows these days, the draft is so fickle....every year the NFL learns the lesson that size, Combine time, reps, and Mel Kiper have absolutely NO clue who will be a great player and who will not be.

It would be cool to get Sinorice, and if he is there in the 3rd round, I'm pretty sure we would take him...how could you pass him up there. With our 2nd though we will probably snatch a D-End...I pray Tapp falls that far but I don't count on that.

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:03 am
by gay4pacman
if tapp falls that low we will be in great shape! 53!1 Tapp at %# is a steal!

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:10 pm
by skinsRin
%# I assume means 53 :)

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:29 pm
by Smithian
Simple... He. Is. Not. That. Good.

One of the reasons he is getting so much publicity because Santana.

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:20 pm
by The Hogster
Smithian wrote:Simple... He. Is. Not. That. Good.

One of the reasons he is getting so much publicity because Santana.


Did you watch the Senior Bowl? Guess not. He was only head and shoulders above the other wide outs who are 'so-called' ranked higher than him.

We'll see on draft day.

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:32 pm
by BossHog
I can't speak for Wingman and they're his rankings.

I can tell you that we're not trying to pick who gets drafted when on draft day... he's judging college talent... and on a lot more than how they did in one game... let alone an all-star game.

If you really want to 'see' who's right about what picks.. you're going to have to wait a lot longer than the draft IMO.

My 2 cents

Wingman's busy trying to get his draft stuff finished so that we can complete the database, but I'm sure he'll be happy to answer why he doesn't have him in HIS top 10 when he sees this.

Re: Sinorice Moss not Top-10?

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:21 pm
by DiRTyHoG3026
VASkin27 wrote: I know he lacks big play potential


?? He's the fastest receiver in the draft, he's got tons of big play potential.

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:19 pm
by Smithian
The Hogster wrote:
Smithian wrote:Simple... He. Is. Not. That. Good.

One of the reasons he is getting so much publicity because Santana.


Did you watch the Senior Bowl? Guess not. He was only head and shoulders above the other wide outs who are 'so-called' ranked higher than him.

We'll see on draft day.
Did you watch him in the regular season compared to other WRs?

I would have to convince myself to call him Top 15 WR.

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:06 pm
by Wingman
why is Moss's little brother NOT in the THN's Top Ten? Because our rankings are based on a college career and not a few good games or even an all-star game. He may get into out top ten but we dont move our rankings around to meet the "flavor of the day" like some of the other sites do. Heck, Kiper's moves up and down just because of things they say in an interview. NOBODY knows who will be great at the next level and everybody has an opinion, based on my research I see Moss as having the tools to be a good reciever but then again I have the tools to be a male gigalo, but it doesnt mean that will happen either.

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:55 pm
by jlanders3
No way should Sinorice be in the Top-10. As I said in another thread, if he runs a 4.3 at the combine, he might go in the Top-15 - the same goes for Santonio Holmes. There are a few teams that could use either one of them, but the value of a player like Moss varies from team to team to team.

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:49 pm
by riggofan
I didn't think Santana was all that good either. Ooops.

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:23 pm
by The Hogster
Rod Gardner was also "highly" rated in the draft. Now he's just high. I am not knocking the rankings....quite frankly I don't think any of us has watched game film on all 10 of these guys.

Sinorice just seems like he will excell at the next level...he is explosive, has good hands, and is a good special teams player. Good on Teams = equals longevity in the league and a tremendous upside i.e. = Steve Smith, Santana Moss, Randel El, Hines Ward, etc.

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:40 pm
by portis26
IMO, Sinorice should be in the top ten based on his tools. Like Hogster said, he can get open on anyone, catches the ball, and is a threat on special teams. Whats not to like about that? Yeah, he didn't put up big numbers. I think having an inconsistent rookie QB might have had something to do with that.

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:21 pm
by John Manfreda
Just becaause your related to Santana doesn't mean your going to get a top ten ranking.