Julius Jones is Overrated!

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:48 pm

Did you know that out of his 16 career NFL games he has only had three games where he ran for over 100 yds?!

He has also been injured for eleven of the 27 games the Cowboys have played in the last two years.

Did you know that in eight games this year he hasn't run for 100+ yds once?!

He only averages 3.7 yds/carry too.

This guy has to be one of the most overrated players in football. I was shocked to figure these things out because whenever you hear commentators talk about Dallas the first thing they do is say what a great weapon Julius Jones is when in fact his numbers are pretty pitiful. I am not going to be fooled anymore, this guy just isn't that good.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:22 pm

I've been saying this since the off-season when some bobbleheads were christening him one of the best backs in the league. Poppycock!

Texas Hog · Post by **Texas Hog** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:57 pm

I read somewhere in the preseason that he'd lead the lead in rushing....I believe my puke fan boss pointed it out to me and I just laughed

Today - 20 rushes for 50 yards

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:59 pm

The only people really pumping him up were the beat writers. Not even Parcells believes he has an All-World back in Juice.

Texas Hog · Post by **Texas Hog** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:03 am

Dallas' o-line is also in decline.

Hopefully after this season Allen (and for that matter Rivera) will retire and the decline continues.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:07 am

Texas Hog wrote:Dallas' o-line is also in decline.

Hopefully after this season Allen (and for that matter Rivera) will retire and the decline continues.

Hopefully, today wasn't just a product of an incredible Denver D-Line and truly is the beginning of the end for that Silver and Blue wall.
That's okay. Lately, they could put just about anybody there and we still can't through to Bledsoe.

Texas Hog · Post by **Texas Hog** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:11 am

tcwest10 wrote:That's okay. Lately, they could put just about anybody there and we still can't through to Bledsoe.

Why is it that every other team can get pressure and we can't?

Did you see the pressure Denver was getting from their corners? If we tried to pull that (although we were somewhat successful with Springs last year) we'd give up big play after big play. I can't be convinced it was because of Smoot in coverage. Taylor (when he's in the game) makes up for Smoot and then some.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:22 am

Texas Hog wrote:
tcwest10 wrote:That's okay. Lately, they could put just about anybody there and we still can't through to Bledsoe.

Why is it that every other team can get pressure and we can't?

Did you see the pressure Denver was getting from their corners? If we tried to pull that (although we were somewhat successful with Springs last year) we'd give up big play after big play. I can't be convinced it was because of Smoot in coverage. Taylor (when he's in the game) makes up for Smoot and then some.

I don't know what the heck is going on back there. I wan to blame it on the lack of speed at End, but it doesn't work.
I'll have my head handed to me for saying it, but it seems to have worsened since LaVar's been back fulltime.
I'm missing Pierce alot these days, and wishing Bowen was still in his prime. He's faded quickly.
It's a sad day when Ade Jimoh is thisclose to being a starter.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:46 am

yea I'd took him over Stephen jackson too :roll:

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:59 am

i'll never forget in the offseason when SI.com had a picture of jones on their main NFL page, literally touting him as a potential "superstar" who could take the cowboys back to the superbowl this year.

:puke:

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:58 pm

I've been saying Julius is overated since the end of last year. Once I saw him play a few games I was like......this guy sucks! I was so very thankful that the Jerry Jones passed up on Steven Jackson and Kevin Jones for Julius.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:02 pm

Still, I bet if you sent Jones to the Broncos he'd instantly become a consistent 100 ypg rusher.

Anywhere else though, he stinks. And in Dallas he was simply overrated going into the season. Funny, you don't see many sports writers putting much faith in him nowadays.

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:41 am

Not for nothing, but high ankle sprains aren't exactly a recipe for the juking and slashing he was doing last year with a worse offensive line.

I can guarantee you that he'll have surgery this offseason to remove bone chips/fragments. It's a given with that type of injury.

Not that he was impressing much before the injury, but then again, it was only Week 5 and he was still getting enough yards, even if it wasn't 100 a game.

I for one would rather see a RBBC going on anyway, so long as Barber keeps doing what he's been doing. For one, it's a hell of a lot cheaper when they become FA's. That and they're easier to replace if they do go down or leave anyway.

This is why MBIII was drafted. In fact, I fully expect to see a Michael Bush/Brian Leonard type at FB in our backfield next year.

redskindave · Post by **redskindave** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:35 am

Very overrated :puke:

Post by **admin** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:02 am

I love it... Marion Barber was drafted because the Cowboys wanted a RB by committee...

ROTFALMAO

Can't say much else when the prodigal one has turned into the injured-more-often-than-not-one.

DEHog hit the nail on the head... passing on Steven Jackson to get Julius Jones MANDATED that you accept a RB by committee approach because you drafted a RB that wasn't good enough to foot the bill.

On top of that, you Cowboy fans were praising him as the second coming of Christ himself last year, but NOW... he's an integral part of a 'run by committee system'.

ROTFALMAO

Too funny.

The guy's average. You passed on an above average back... deal with it. The Pukes have made some very good draft picks over the last few years... this wasn't one of them IMO.

As this thread says, 'Julius Jones is overrated.'

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:11 am

admin wrote:I love it... Marion Barber was drafted because the Cowboys wanted a RB by committee...

Can't say much else when the prodigal one has turned into the injured-more-often-than-not-one.

DEHog hit the nail on the head... passing on Steven Jackson to get Julius Jones MANDATED that you accept a RB by committee approach because you drafted a RB that wasn't good enough to foot the bill.

On top of that, you Cowboy fans were praising him as the second coming of Christ himself last year, but NOW... he's an integral part of a 'run by committee system'.

Too funny.

The guy's average. You passed on an above average back... deal with it. The Pukes have made some very good draft picks over the last few years... this wasn't one of them IMO.

As this thread says, 'Julius Jones is overrated.'

Hey, I can deal with it without a problem. I still think he's a very good back. Yeah, he's gotten injured, but both times have been freak injuries that could have happened to anyone.

Cracked shoulder blade and a high ankle sprain. He got those because he's injury prone and overrated? :hmm:

He didn't have an injury history. In fact, seemed pretty tough when he came back last year. In case you forgot, he did carry the ball 30 times in 3 straight games. That's not a _____ (fill in the blank) playing RB.

If he gets hurt again, I'll worry. Tuna's famous "sports car" comment rings true, but once again, in case you forgot, he said something along the same lines last year too.

Not like this condition is stopping us from running the ball either. The run blocking has been downright crappy, yeah, but they still manage to lead the league in TOP so they're doing something right.

Didn't say Barber was drafted for the RBBC. He was drafted for change of pace and in case Jones got hurt again. Well, looky here, that worked out, didn't it?

Bottom line; We passed on Steven Jackson and got Julius Jones AND Marcus Spears. I'll take that trade every time...as opposed to drafting someone like Jason Campbell and giving up a first rounder to do it. Redskin fans criticizing Cowboy draft picks... Pot, can I call you kettle? :lol:

That, if you ask me is truly "too funny" ROTFALMAO

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:16 am

Primetime42 wrote:Bottom line; We passed on Steven Jackson and got Julius Jones AND Marcus Spears. I'll take that trade every time...as opposed to drafting someone like Jason Campbell and giving up a first rounder to do it. Redskin fans criticizing Cowboy draft picks... Pot, can I call you kettle?

That, if you ask me is truly "too funny"

OK the RBBC approach didn't fly so you come back with we got two for 1 :?:

No you didn't You have Spears on the field and JJ watching him. You knew that wouldn't fly either so you threw in a QB that was drafted knowing he wouldn't play this year and compared him to a guy that was drafted last year and may not play a full season before said QB.

Recap:
Running Back by committee = Excuse for Jones being injuried
We got Spears too = BS how can 19 tackles make up for the 12 games Jones has missed? Jackson has missed how many? 3 games and has averaged almost a yard more per carry
The Jason Campbell Reference = was typical of you fans from that team in Texas - Nothing to do with the subject but made you fell better.

The bottomline is JJ is over-rated... but he's young and may some day be worth the pick you spent on him.

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:28 am

1niksder wrote:
Primetime42 wrote:Bottom line; We passed on Steven Jackson and got Julius Jones AND Marcus Spears. I'll take that trade every time...as opposed to drafting someone like Jason Campbell and giving up a first rounder to do it. Redskin fans criticizing Cowboy draft picks... Pot, can I call you kettle?

That, if you ask me is truly "too funny"

OK the RBBC approach didn't fly so you come back with we got two for 1 No you didn't You have Spears on the field and JJ watching him. You knew that wouldn't fly either so you threw in a QB that was drafted knowing he wouldn't play this year and compared him to a guy that was drafted last year and may not play a full season before said QB.

Recap:
Running Back by committee = Excuse for Jones being injuried
We got Spears too = BS how can 19 tackles make up for the 12 games Jones has missed? Jackson has missed how many? 3 games and has averaged almost a yard more per carry
The Jason Campbell Reference = was typical of you fans from that team in Texas - Nothing to do with the subject but made you fell better.

The bottomline is JJ is over-rated... but he's young and may some day be worth the pick you spent on him.

You oughta go into psychiatry :roll:

RBBC - True or not true, Parcells runs it everywhere he's been, even when he had Curtis Martin

Spears job at DE in a 3-4 isn't to rack up stats, but to supply pressure and free up the LB's

I used the Cambpell reference because it DID fit. Here you are criticizing draft picks, from the perspective that the trade last year was a mistake? How so? News flash: without Marcus Spears, we never make the switch to the 3-4. And our defense is still getting run over and picked apart because there's no pass rush. He's one of the most important pieces of that defense.

Like I said, it was a good trade in hindsight, and I will take it because I know what the guy can do when healthy.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:44 am

Primetime42 wrote: You oughta go into psychiatry

Probally get committed, before admitted...No thankz

Primetime42 wrote:RBBC - True or not true, Parcells runs it everywhere he's been, even when he had Curtis Martin

You don't use a no 1 pick to add to a committed the No1 should be the Chairman of the Board. JJ is a isn't even apart of the committee half the time

Primetime42 wrote:Spears job at DE in a 3-4 isn't to rack up stats, but to supply pressure and free up the LB's

Sounds like the trade forced the change in philosophy

Primetime42 wrote:I used the Cambpell reference because it DID fit. Here you are criticizing draft picks, from the perspective that the trade last year was a mistake? How so? News flash: without Marcus Spears, we never make the switch to the 3-4. And our defense is still getting run over and picked apart because there's no pass rush. He's one of the most important pieces of that defense.

I was critizing the draft of Jones versu Jackson and where he rates now compared to where the media put him. His selection had nothing to do with our trade a year later or the selection of Spears

Primetime42 wrote:Like I said, it was a good trade in hindsight, and I will take it because I know what the guy can do when healthy.

Like I said I have no problem with the trade or our youe team drafts, if your happy drafting a overrated player with the #1 why should complain?

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:55 am

1niksder wrote:
Primetime42 wrote: You oughta go into psychiatry

Probally get committed, before admitted...No thankz

Primetime42 wrote:RBBC - True or not true, Parcells runs it everywhere he's been, even when he had Curtis Martin

You don't use a no 1 pick to add to a committed the No1 should be the Chairman of the Board. JJ is a isn't even apart of the committee half the time

Primetime42 wrote:Spears job at DE in a 3-4 isn't to rack up stats, but to supply pressure and free up the LB's

Sounds like the trade forced the change in philosophy

Primetime42 wrote:I used the Cambpell reference because it DID fit. Here you are criticizing draft picks, from the perspective that the trade last year was a mistake? How so? News flash: without Marcus Spears, we never make the switch to the 3-4. And our defense is still getting run over and picked apart because there's no pass rush. He's one of the most important pieces of that defense.

I was critizing the draft of Jones versu Jackson and where he rates now compared to where the media put him. His selection had nothing to do with our trade a year later or the selection of Spears

Primetime42 wrote:Like I said, it was a good trade in hindsight, and I will take it because I know what the guy can do when healthy.

Like I said I have no problem with the trade or our youe team drafts, if your happy drafting a overrated player with the #1 why should complain?

Well, first of all, because it wasn't a #1, it was a mid-second rounder.

You know, like you'll be picking with this year :wink:

How quickly we forgot about how the media (especially a certain "talking hairdo") blasted Parcells for trading down that day.

Steven Jackson at this point is better, but he's not an upper echelon back now and he certainly wasn't at the time. Most complete of that draft? Yeah. But that's not saying much.

Look at how Kevin Jones is doing. In fact, Jackson himself is not all great right now.

Parcells figured it was worth it to trade down.

If you could get (and humor me here) one above average/good player or instead trade down and get one who is average/slightly above average (me personally, I think Jones is still a good player, but I'll go with your analogy) and on top of that get an above average/good defensive lineman in the next draft, what would you do?

To recap: 1 above average/good RB vs. 1 average/slightly above average RB AND an above average/good DL.

Yeah.

If JJ shows half the resolve to getting 100% healthy and committed again that his brother has, I'm not worried about him at all.

But like I said, I could use with another Richie Anderson type FB.

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:57 am

This post isn't called "Julius Jones was a worse draft pick than Jason Campbell," it's called "Julius Jones Is Overrated!"

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:57 am

Primetime,
What does any of that have to do with this thread?

Post by **admin** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:01 pm

Keep... thread... on..... topic.

Don't... be... a.... troll.

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:03 pm

OK then... :lol:

JJ = Overrated as of the beginning of this season.

BUT...only because of injury :wink:

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:14 pm

Primetime42 wrote:OK then...

JJ = Overrated as of the beginning of this season.

BUT...only because of injury

And he's only been in the league a year and a half