So are we not talking about the Raider's goal-line fumble...

[skinz74]

As far as I could see, the ball was fumbled. 2 min to go, and the booth refused to review the call. I'm not paying 300 something dollars a year for Sunday ticket and devoting precious hours on a Sunday afternoon to watch the zebras play God. I wanna see a fair game without the hiccups. Let me recap:

1. Denver game -- The tuck that never was...
2. Kansas -- Tough loss, but fair and was legitamately won by the Chefs
3. Tampa -- One of the WORST officited games I'll probably ever watch. It was disgusting. Make matters worse, a Tampa fan co-worker of mine rubbed it in that they got away with murder.
4. Raiders -- Jordan fumbled on our goaline and only the booth could review with 2 on the clock...and they would not.

But to sumise, all of these tough losses would not have been had we not put ourselves in positions to lose with TURNOVER AFTER TURNVOER. Additionally, I don't completely blame our secondary for the big plays. H#ll, I could complete a bomb to Porter with the kinda time "tom" Collins had. We are generating absolutely NO pass rush.

But here's the wrinkle. Our run defense has been stout...so if we get a big-time DE that can get to the QB, will we lose the continuity of the D-line and start giving up the big runs...??? I don't know. All I know is our D-line hasn't been a pass rushing force since Mann/Manley reigned.

I believe we can still make the playoffs. I believe we can still win the division. Faith, my brethren. Both Dallass and the Gnats have a tough schedule remaining...worse than ours. Two wins for us and two losses from them and we're right back on top...we have six games remaining. And %50 of our remaining schedule is against division rivals and of those games 2/3 of them are at home.

We should be getting Griffin back soon, which will help with the pass rush. Hopefully Betts and Thrash will be back in the lineup. Maybe we should throw Parsons in there and see what he could do...can't be much worse than TJ's lack of performance.

Finally for those of you whom are throwing in the towel...remember this. It's any given Sunday for a reason. Look at what Arizona did today. Bears beat Carolina. Green Bay beat Atlanta last week. So all I'm saying is I won't miss you on the Wagon when we turn this thing around...

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[hatsOFF2gibbs]

So all I'm saying is I won't miss you on the Wagon when we turn this thing around...

I'm with ya but it's hard to say we'll go 11-5 or even 10-6. We have some tough games ahead, especially the Chargers.

[PulpExposure]

Ah I could care less about that fumble. I care more about our seeming inability to pass protect and complete passes today

[skinsfano28]

they couldnt review a no-call silly...they never called it a fumble, they called him down by contact, therefore they cannot review the call.

[aswas71788]

I watched parts of a couple other games today (I have direct tv)and can say that the officiating in the Redskins game was about par with the other games...BAD! It seems that every week, games seem to be decided by the referees rather than the teams. They seem to call a non-reviewable decision in the most critical situations. And don't give me that crap about they have a tough job. That is their job and they are supposed to be experts at it. If any of us made as many errors in judgement as the referees, we would be out on the street, in a heartbeat!

[die cowboys die]

I watched parts of a couple other games today (I have direct tv)and can say that the officiating in the Redskins game was about par with the other games...BAD! It seems that every week, games seem to be decided by the referees rather than the teams. They seem to call a non-reviewable decision in the most critical situations. And don't give me that crap about they have a tough job. That is their job and they are supposed to be experts at it. If any of us made as many errors in judgement as the referees, we would be out on the street, in a heartbeat!

one of my absolute favorite things i have ever heard anyone say:

sometime recently at wimbledon i think, lindsay davenport was fuming over a terrible call by the ref. she was arguing with him and when he refused to overturn his decision, she yelled at him,

"If I did my job that poorly, I wouldn't be able to be out here!"

you are totally right. if any one of us performed as poorly at our jobs as they do at theirs, we would be fired instantly. where is the accountability? where is the protection of the league's weekly multi-million dollar investments, their quality of product??

[redskingush]

I also believe Joey Porter dropped his td catch as he was going to the ground which to me means he didnt have control, but no red flag was thrown.

[skinpride1]

Ah I could care less about that fumble. I care more about our seeming inability to pass protect and complete passes today

There you go stop blaming the refs and lets look like a playoff type team.

[Redskin in Canada]

It was a fumble. It was a crucial call. No question.

But it is OUR fault. We should not let a game to be decided by the Zebras. We should learn to play against the 53 players on the opposing team, 4 refs and two guys in the booth.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Seriously guys, screw that blown call. If your offense cannot score one TD in an entire game you deserve to lose. If your offense scores for the other team by fumbling multiple times odds are you're going to lose. We need to solve our own problems before we try to solve anyone else's. If we were a mistake free team or a team that could overcome our mistakes the refs would not be a factor.

I also believe Joey Porter dropped his td catch as he was going to the ground which to me means he didnt have control, but no red flag was thrown.

He crossed the plane with possession, whatever happens like that is a moot point.

[AZHog]

It was a fumble. It was a crucial call. No question.

But it is OUR fault. We should not let a game to be decided by the Zebras. We should learn to play against the 53 players on the opposing team, 4 refs and two guys in the booth.

I don't want to sound like I'm in the minority, but there was only one problem on that call. The zebra's didn't blow the wistle soon enough. He was down by contact and, on replay, had extended his hand to move the ball forward. He was clearly under the pile and down. Now, that being said, the wistle hadn't been blown so it should have been ruled a fumble. However, he was down by contact -- it was just the refs trying to cover up their late wistle.

[joebagadonuts]

i disagree that it was a legitimate fumble. yes, he did fumble the ball, but apparently after he was down by contact. even so, i think the ball was across the plane before he fumbled. if you were to remove the 'down by contact' call, it's a touchdown.

even so, you have to score more than 13 points (usually) to win in the nfl.

[skinz74]

As much as I hate to admit it, and consulting TIVO a few times, I have to recant. But the majority of my point is something I gather you all agree with. That these types of errors are irrelevant when teams play mostly error free football and produce. Our team has been producing (minus the Bears/Giants/Raiders) but has made a tremendous amount of mistakes. I feel that on that last drive, 3rd and 2, the ball should have been in Portis's hands...either of a swing pass, run, etc. But with 2 fumbles already, you have to wonder if the coaching staff trusts dipping into the well again...thus a toss away in Jacobs direction, because he wasn't open. 2 shots to move 2 yards...hmmm...

[UK Skins Fan]

There just is no point in whining about the bad calls. Fact - they do even out over the season. We're sore because we lost, and that's that. What makes me laugh is that people expect officials to be perfect. Players scream at officials about decisions that go against them, and forget the fact that they've just dropped the ball, run out of bounds or grabbed a facemask. Fans do the same. Most people don't get sacked for incompetence. I've just made up a fact that 75% of the workforce are incompetent, and only 7% of them will lose their jobs. Of the remaining 68%, there will be 15% that are screwing up badly, but get away with it. The remaining 53%, nobody notices - BECAUSE THEY AREN'T ON THE TELLY!

OK, so I'm now talking utter rubbish. But I'm happy, really I am. Nurse, it's time for my bed bath now...

[blchizzleke]

The booth cannot review "down by contact" plays. Although it was a BS call and it is something that I think will definetely be changed next year.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

On his weekly radio show, Joe made a suggestion that I thought would certainly help refs do their jobs, and would remove the burden of a blown call from their hands: On plays like the ones we've had, err on the side of caution, and call it a fumble (in Jordan's case) or a completion (in Tampa's case -- on the alleged "push out").

That way, both teams have the opportunity to contest the call. By not making those "judgment calls" that seem to work against the integrity of the officials, it puts the spotlight on the coaches. That's why replay is here, to contest those plays.